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Old 09-11-2021, 09:10 PM   #1551
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Because a company like Porsche to caters to said enthusiasts makes the most profit per vehicle of any said car manufacturer by a huge huge margin.
more than half the vehicles Porsche sells are SUVs, this from someone who owns a Cayman and a WRX...

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2021...021-25131.html
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Old 09-11-2021, 09:27 PM   #1552
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I suspect it's the transmission. Manufacturers stopped caring about a manual long time ago, look at the sad joke they put in the GTI and Golf R but at least they have a DSG to fall back on. Subaru put their cards into the CVT, which simply cannot handle the additional power. On a good note, at least the STI manual can handle a good amount.
the STI should be only coming with an updated short throw shifting manual, so no cvt to hold back the power numbers or the eventual tuning we will be doing. the limited slip differential, the bigger turbo and nice synchronized gearbox should be interesting to see. will they use aluminum for the hood, fenders, and roof. what if they replace the cladding with STI front lip, side skirts, and rear diffuser. I hope the STI comes with the electronic dampers that are coming on the wrx gt
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Old 09-11-2021, 09:44 PM   #1553
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Old 09-11-2021, 09:46 PM   #1554
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more than half the vehicles Porsche sells are SUVs, this from someone who owns a Cayman and a WRX...

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2021...021-25131.html
And those SUVs are catered to enthusiasts as well.
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Old 09-11-2021, 09:58 PM   #1555
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And those SUVs are marketed to enthusiasts as well.

I fixed that for you.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:03 PM   #1556
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The Love that some of these dudes have for Subaru should be the envy of all car manufactures. Subaru can release a brand new butt ugly car that wouldn't have been modern five years ago and some of these guys can't bring themselves to say a bad word about it.
I call them sycophants. And they are the problem. You have to demand what you want, and pays your monies for what you want. Far too many Booby people are just cattle, herding in, no matter what Daddy produces. I left in 2012 and my money has been ready since. Iíve sent emails, talked to SOA folk, and my local dealer as well as their finance people. There is nothing more I can reasonably do. Until people turn their backs, Subaru takes the Lís, nothing will change. All they are doing is the same thing they did with the VA. They are out for new buyers to the brand. Existing buyers can kick rocks.

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Commit to something besides your outdated AWD systems and your refusal to offer a hatch, you inept fools.
Again, until the Lís come in, they will not change. The STi needs real torque vectoring (not brake based). I still find it quite odd that my Honda truck has a more advanced AWD system than anything Subaru makes, as did my Focus RS. Either way if the suckers keep sprinting to their local Booby dealer with money falling out of their pockets, nothing will ever change. Subaru can certainly take some blame, but at the end of the day it is on the customers as well. If you go buy this trash youíre just an enabler.

They lied to us when the VA came out. ďWe only have $ for oneĒ, umm bs. Levorg was made so S T F U with that bs. At the same time ďbest month everĒ every month every year. Give me a fíin break. Maybe this one will be the straw that broke the camelís back. Maybe. But with all the sycophants I wouldnít count on it. If this vehicle is anything to go by, the STI will get the adaptive dampers, minimal HP/TQ gain, and will look just like this with an ironing board on back. In other words, just awful.

Help me Obi-wan, youíre my only hope. His name is Akio Toyoda. CEO of Toyota. We are getting some kind of performance hatch from Toyota in the form of a GR Corolla. The 1.6L DIT makes more HP than this pathetic 2.4L DIT in this WRX. The Corolla will also be hundreds of pounds lighter than the WRX. Letís hope we get the same GR Yaris drivetrain with diffs (circuit pack) as that drivetrain can send 70% of power to the rear or do a 50:50 split. As enthusiasts we have to support with our money what we want to see, and turn our backs on sheet like this pathetic new WRX. Put a fork in it.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:05 PM   #1557
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I fixed that for you.
Not my fault if you haven't driven one.

Also note, Enthusiasts doesn't just mean sports cars. Jeep builds cars for enthusiasts for example.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:10 PM   #1558
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Not my fault if you haven't driven one.

Also note, Enthusiasts doesn't just mean sports cars. Jeep builds cars for enthusiasts for example.
Riveting, you don't have to justify your car purchase to me but don't pretend it is something it will never ever be, no matter what their marketing team tells you. If I wanted a SUV, I would get a Pilot, at least it is going to be reliable in the long run and doesn't pretend to be anything else but a SUV.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:10 PM   #1559
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This rear bumper with all of it's ledges seems like it is a level from Marble Madness on the NES.
you just triggered my ptsd
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:01 PM   #1560
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The 2022 will be at WBM tomorrow. I wonít be there, but I am sure a lot of pictures will surface. It canít get worse, right?
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:01 PM   #1561
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Riveting, you don't have to justify your car purchase to me but don't pretend it is something it will never ever be, no matter what their marketing team tells you. If I wanted a SUV, I would get a Pilot, at least it is going to be reliable in the long run and doesn't pretend to be anything else but a SUV.
I've never seen any "marketing" for Porsche SUV's. They are not exactly advertised. I just test drive cars myself and watch a few critical reviews of lots of cars.

Thats also how I know you don't know anything about the subject if you are recommending a Honda with that V6 for reliability.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:08 PM   #1562
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I've never seen any "marketing" for Porsche SUV's. They are not exactly advertised. I just test drive cars myself and watch a few critical reviews of lots of cars.

Thats also how I know you don't know anything about the subject if you are recommending a Honda with that V6 for reliability.
Cool, nobody cares about a 55K Porsche SUV with a Jetta engine. Wrong thread.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:17 PM   #1563
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https://www.chubu-jihan.com/subaru/n...ontents&id=462 this is a very interesting article. it explains alot of why they want in this direction. according the article, it is clearly not the engine that is to blame, they just don't have the funds to redo the transmission and drivetrain to withstand the power the engine is capable of for a long time reliably to their liking. you are going to have to Google translate it.

If Subaru is that poor that they cannot give us a proper car then they should just drop the WRX/STI and focus on more SUVís.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:22 PM   #1564
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And those SUVs are catered to enthusiasts as well.
I donít see many 911 or Cayman enthusiasts who track their cars giving them up for a Porsche SUV anytime soon.


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Old 09-11-2021, 11:51 PM   #1565
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I donít see many 911 or Cayman enthusiasts who track their cars giving them up for a Porsche SUV anytime soon.
Like I said, enthusiasts are just sports car buyers. Forester XT's wouldn't have any value if that were the case. Neither would Wranglers, or the new Bronco, or other cars that people actually desire.

You actually look at what people want and build a car they will desire after, give them the ability to option the hell out of it, and you will make money.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:56 PM   #1566
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The more I think about it, the more I realize that options are simply dwindling for many of us. When I say many of us, Iím thinking of one of the major characteristics most of us are looking for is a manual tranny. That, for sure, is one of my main criteria Iím looking for in my next car.
Other than that, AWD, and then lastly maybe space since my family is growing, but then again my wife also has her car so there can be balance.

With that said, I wonder how many of us would feel about the Levorg being brought over and only with a CVT? In that case then we must question if the tranny then is our biggest sell or not.

I find myself with a CVT for the past 3 years and possibly for the next 2-3. But thatís my main reason for wanting a manual. But as my first sentence, options are dwindling. I canít stand VWs and their reliability, plus the new MK8 per reviews you canít seem to even unlock the doors without having to go through 3 options in a crappy touch screen.

My last hope was Tacos as I dig a small truck and itís utilitarian with dual cab. But even that the options for a manual have been stripped from the TRD Pro and they increased pricing by 5K! Itís almost 50K now when it use to be just 42kÖ that leaves just this WRX/STI as new vehicles for me to consider : (

I might just end up buying used.
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Old 09-12-2021, 12:24 AM   #1567
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the 2022 global platform WRX actually incorporates MORE styling cues from the WRX concept car several years ago than the current generation did. The blackout trim was on the concept car, the hood scoop is very close to the concept car. the rear quarter bulges are from the concept car etc., The 2022 IS the car the current Gen should have been. EVERYTHING about the 2022 is an upgrade over the current WRX...the mechanicals, the chassis, the interior redesign, and the looks just appear that a lot more attention to detail went into it vs the current Gen wrx

I have zero complaints, 6 speed manual , better body lines, tuned 2.4 FA for flat wide torque band, improved steering, revised sway bar design. Its all a step in the right direction. I think it looks great.
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Old 09-12-2021, 01:24 AM   #1568
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^^ It looks like a turd.
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Old 09-12-2021, 01:37 AM   #1569
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the 2022 global platform WRX actually incorporates MORE styling cues from the WRX concept car several years ago than the current generation did. The blackout trim was on the concept car, the hood scoop is very close to the concept car. the rear quarter bulges are from the concept car etc., The 2022 IS the car the current Gen should have been. EVERYTHING about the 2022 is an upgrade over the current WRX...the mechanicals, the chassis, the interior redesign, and the looks just appear that a lot more attention to detail went into it vs the current Gen wrx

I have zero complaints, 6 speed manual , better body lines, tuned 2.4 FA for flat wide torque band, improved steering, revised sway bar design. Its all a step in the right direction. I think it looks great.
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Old 09-12-2021, 01:50 AM   #1570
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Wow. The new 2022 Elantra N Line. More HP and way more torque than the WRX. 6 speed manual or 8 speed DCT. And way better interior and exterior styling.. Likely lighter too.

Great job Subaru. The legendary WRX is going to gets its butt handed to it by an Elantra
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Old 09-12-2021, 02:33 AM   #1571
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So they finally give us adjustable suspension and they f it up by only offering it on the CVT?!?!?

WHAT THE F ARE THEY THINKING? Doesn't matter, I couldn't live with that wheel gap anyway.
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Old 09-12-2021, 02:38 AM   #1572
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Wow. The new 2022 Elantra N Line. More HP and way more torque than the WRX. 6 speed manual or 8 speed DCT. And way better interior and exterior styling.. Likely lighter too.

Great job Subaru. The legendary WRX is going to gets its butt handed to it by an Elantra

The new Elantra holds the current title for ugliest car on the road.
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Old 09-12-2021, 02:56 AM   #1573
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Old 09-12-2021, 08:53 AM   #1574
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Look at that rear bumper.
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Old 09-12-2021, 09:00 AM   #1575
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I call them sycophants. And they are the problem. You have to demand what you want, and pays your monies for what you want. Far too many Booby people are just cattle, herding in, no matter what Daddy produces. I left in 2012 and my money has been ready since.
i quit Subaru around 2010, and bought a *used* Evo X MR (2008, the one with the supposed "glass TC-SST" transmission) ... mildly modified, daily drove it for 6 years and never had ONE problem with it. i can't say that for the 2 Subarus i bought BRAND NEW that were plagued with issues, and definitely not for the 2 low mileage used ones i had.

i have absolutely no idea why anybody would buy a Subaru when there are so much better (and reliable) options out there, unless you're a total fanboi and that's all your tunnel vision will allow you to.
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