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05-04-2012, 11:15 AM | #26 |
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Nissan, Mazda ,and Toyota didn't discontinue their sports cars because nobody wanted them. They discontinued them because the people that wanted them couldn't afford them anymore!
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05-04-2012, 11:17 AM | #27 | |
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05-04-2012, 11:21 AM | #28 | |
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Toyota has been floundering but I think the FT96 may finally get Toyota back into the game. I'd also like to see Toyota bring back the SR-5 versions of the Corolla with a true sporting setup and not just a few badges. Put a high reving 4 in there and forget getting it to handle like the appliance version to apease everyone. |
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05-04-2012, 01:01 PM | #29 | |
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Also, an MK3 with bolt-ons (stock turbo/cams) is probably only going to make in the low 3xxwhp range and they weigh about 3,400lbs which by today's standards, isn't earth shattering. |
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05-04-2012, 01:04 PM | #30 |
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I know exactly which catalog you are talking about -- I remember it having one page (or spread) for the regular Supra (and I think it was in a plain color, maybe black or tan), with the next page/spread for the Supra Turbo in red.
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06-14-2013, 10:44 AM | #31 | |
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Toyota’s newly appointed chairman Takeshi Uchiyamada wants a new Supra
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Toyota’s Incoming Chairman Says He Wants Supra-Like Sports Car |
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06-14-2013, 11:07 AM | #32 |
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Supra was available until 02
For some reason I thought it was discontinued before that. |
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06-14-2013, 11:10 AM | #34 | |
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It was, just not in North America.
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06-14-2013, 04:45 PM | #35 |
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Yeah, definitely no point in making something that competes with the GT-86.
What was the price of the last gen Supra that was the NA model, base trim or whatever? I know nothing of the details of the Supra, only that it's one of my all-time favorite sports car design languages. A 1998 Supra could still look relevant in 2013. |
06-14-2013, 05:31 PM | #36 |
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From what I remember, ORIGINALLY it was just under $40k for the base model and under $50k for the Turbo, but it's because of the strong yen at the time. Eventually as some of the other cars started to die out (300ZX, RX-7, 3000GT), I remember an article in Motor Trend (likely in the one where they talk about all of the upcoming cars for the next model year), Toyota had significantly reduced the MSRP of the cars by close to $10k.
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Okay thanks. Yeah, if they released the NA Supra today I'd expect about $30k for the Base trim since it seems kinda fair compared to the FR-S' price point. It looks like the NA only made 220HP in the 2JZ-GE in a car weighing about 3200lbs? They'd definitely need to shed some weight or increase the horsepower if a compromise HAD to be made, otherwise doing BOTH would be preferred.
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06-15-2013, 12:13 AM | #38 |
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This could be interesting. Hopefully it'll be powered by and inline six.
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06-15-2013, 12:22 AM | #39 |
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Don't count on it unless that is a BMW engine under the hood. Toyota has moved to Vs in any gasser bigger than a 4cyl. We'd likely see the replacement for the current IS-F V8 or the replacement for the 2GR-FSE that is in the GS350 and IS350 in this Supra. I'd imagine both engines have a replacement on the horizon since neither is exactly a spring chicken and their competition using forced induction.
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06-15-2013, 03:07 AM | #40 |
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By the time this new supra comes out I will be more than ready to order it in a heart beat so long as its not over 40-45k.
Unless its being built to compete with the likes of the GT-R I don't see the need for it to come with a price that is beyond the average consumer's income. I don't even see a need for the next gen Supra to compete with the GT-R to begin with. The LFA was designed to beat the GT-R and it did. Currently the Nurburgring edition is top dog out of japan going around The Ring beating out the black edition GT-R. Though the price tag for that car is not within reach of anyone not making 6 figures there is no need to try and make another competitor for the GT-R. Especially when the GT-R new is over 100k already. Better off making a 40-45k sports car that competes with M3s and the like and sell more units. (I understand they plan to co-develope with BMW) When Toyota designs a performance car they do it right and know how to produce a high quality product that is more durable than it logically needs to be. They are also typically a lot of fun and have a large cult following that has been patiently waiting for a performance rebirth of Toyota. The GT-86 is a great start but they have a ways to go to get back to that same level that they were once at. The last gen Supra was a perfect example of performance with Toyota's quality reputation. I would love to see the day they go back to having a range of fun non beige performance cars that dont have a lexus or scion badge attached. But I also admit it probably would never happen and I am left to most likely search for good examples of their iconic performance cars from the 80s and 90s. (If I somehow came into tons of money I would have a big ass garage to put all of them in lol) The golden age of Toyota performance/fun cars was when they produced a sports car for multiple niche markets. The Corolla GTS, MR2 Supercharged/Turbo, Supra and Celica GT-Four. /end mindless nostalgic banter |
06-15-2013, 04:30 PM | #41 | |
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/caught-t...014-lexus-is-f
Perhaps this is a glimpse into the future Supra? If it is, pricing should be somewhere around the IS F...Toyota does sell high dollar $80K Landcruisers after all. It's not like Nissan, where the GTR is kinda out of place sitting next to Versas on the showroom floor. |
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40-45K For a Supra? Not happening. Evos are easily 40k now, with STI's creeping up there. Supra I would expect to start at $49,995 with most in the mid fifties.
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Yeah, sticky market. No point in neutering the Supra name, unless they want to kill Mustang Boss/Camaro 1LT performance for the money. Supra will need to have mid 400 hp to compete. That's not gonna be cheap. IS-F is mostly already there, no need reinvent the wheel. But Toyota will have a tough time coming in under 50K starting when the IS-F is already 60K over...
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If anyone can afford to do it, it's Toyota. OTOH the market is kind of soft right now for GT cars........
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Moreso when dependent on the Yen.
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06-15-2013, 07:16 PM | #50 |
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Now I think about it. I don't think the Supra needs to compete against the GTR nor next NSX.
The Supra was never as good or in the same level as those cars. It wasn't as advanced as the Skyline GTR nor was it nimble and sharp as the RX-7. It competed more against the 300ZX, were good cars but not in the same league. They could bring it back with around 375hp and ~$40k to compete against the Z. Going up against Godzilla and NSX is unnecessary. The Supra name just doesn't have as much charisma. |
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