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04-05-2016, 11:45 AM | #251 | |
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http://www.chargepoint.com/ https://www.blinknetwork.com/ Those are 2 different networks locally. You'd be surprised how many chargers are around. Some are located at municipalities, some at .edu's, here many of them are at restaurants, malls, movie theaters, and pharmacies. There is plenty of 240V's. I don't use those though, only the 480v's. I've got 240 at home. You can also buy EVSE's at homedepot, amazon, etc. Just type "evse" into their searches and you'll see all the options. $500 on average, and pay an electrician to wire it into a 40 or 50 amp breaker on your electrical panel. Once you have a 240v charger in your garage you'll use the public charging infrastructure minimally. I do the same as you. If I'm leaving my metroplex, which is huge, I rent a vehicle. Foreign turf I prefer to have a rental with the optional insurance, especially during storm season. 2 years ago, I did this, it hailed golf balls, beat the rental up like hell. All I had to do is state what happened, sign, and the end. With the gas money you'll be saving you can easily build a rental fund. 3 hours is my limit. Any more I'm getting on a plane and renting a beater when I get there. The EV is no where near being able to replace a weekend sports car, or track vehicle, but for a DD, it's perfect. Say goodbye to your service center at your dealership. You'll only deal with the mfr if there is a recall or problem. I like that. In 2 years of driving my EV I've seen the dealership one time, to replace the in-cabin air filter. I've also rotated the tires twice.
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04-05-2016, 12:45 PM | #252 |
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Ok, here's my next question: I pay $1400/year for gas in my XV. Over 5 years, that's $7k. I have a $20k car. How does buying a new EV save me money over those 5 years when they're $37k to begin with, (with the $7k rebate bringing it down to $30k).
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04-05-2016, 12:46 PM | #253 | |
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04-05-2016, 01:00 PM | #254 | |
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Different class of car dude, by a good margin. A Nissan Leaf would be a better comparison for you. The new one that is supposed to debut this year should have at least a 175 mile range, and it is more of an economy car compared to the new Tesla. |
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04-05-2016, 01:19 PM | #255 | |
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I bought a VW to save myself from spending 100% of it on a WRX, or a Focus ST, or maybe a used Z06... Lets just compare why we spend our money on one car, and not any others. Last edited by Skylab; 04-05-2016 at 01:25 PM. Reason: Why do I even bother... |
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04-05-2016, 01:50 PM | #256 | |
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How many times do you put 11 gallons in on a car that is spec'd with an 11 gallon tank? Part of that is what's left, the other is the capacity no used because the pump is triggered early. |
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04-05-2016, 01:57 PM | #257 |
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While I understand the advantages of an EV with fuel and maintenance savings, what are the other maintenance costs associated with an EV? It doesn't sound like you haven't reached those miles yet but what does the Leaf maintenance schedule say as the years and mileage add up? I've read Tesla's needing battery coolant changed at 4yr/50k. Tires, brake pads/fluid, shocks, filter cabin are still consumables.
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04-05-2016, 02:03 PM | #258 | |
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04-05-2016, 02:08 PM | #259 | |
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In my XV, according to both a) real life and b) the manual - the light comes on when there is around 3 gallons (as a reserve) left in the car. On a 15 gallon tank, if I fill up right when the light comes on, it takes 12 gallons. --kC |
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04-05-2016, 02:09 PM | #260 | |
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04-05-2016, 02:15 PM | #261 | |
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Sure, I understand there are many reasons why people buy one car over another. But "because no gas" shouldn't be the only reason, but a byproduct. --kC |
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04-05-2016, 02:28 PM | #262 | |
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04-05-2016, 02:43 PM | #263 | |
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It's not that difficult. You are buying a 3 series equivalent in performance without the fuel costs and without the running costs. Both are less. And the Model S is the safest car ever built by any mfr., ever. The 3 is supposed to be 5 star all the way around and comparable. Insurance rates aren't too bad either. |
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04-05-2016, 02:45 PM | #264 |
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About like saying a BMW 3 series is BMW's entry level sedan. In the marketplace against all mfr's neither are entry level cars. You know what it means. It was a dumb comparison. An Impreza vs. a premium automobile. The XV is just a lift kit equipped Impreza.
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04-05-2016, 03:09 PM | #265 |
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Not quite.
By Tesla's calculator, charging up from using 60 miles in a day at 40amps is going to cost at least $2.38 @ .12 per Kwh and worse if you're using a 110v. For me it will be closer to $3.17 as supply and distribution charges from national grid add up to about .16 per Kwh. Assuming 30mpg and $2 gas, that's $4 for equivalent range on an ICE car. Obviously the Tesla is still cheaper, and will get even better if gas goes up and electricity stays somewhat stable, but it's not 1/10th the price. |
04-05-2016, 03:32 PM | #266 | |
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04-05-2016, 03:38 PM | #267 | |
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04-05-2016, 03:41 PM | #268 | |
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04-05-2016, 03:47 PM | #269 |
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No more having to listen to blown out amped speakers blasting Tejano, or Dirty South Rap either. No more f'ing with the pump or credit card reader when it's cold, windy or raining. I use the superchargers when I need them but 90% of the time is definitely at home these days for why you said. I wait until 9pm, when my electricity is free and plug the ho in.
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04-05-2016, 03:53 PM | #270 |
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Where do Tesla's supercharging/charging stations get their electricity from? Fossil fuels, renewable, or both?
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04-05-2016, 04:06 PM | #271 | |
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04-05-2016, 04:08 PM | #272 |
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They're aiming for 100% renewable with Solar PV + Tesla energy battery packs, but the expansion has happened so fast most stations pull from the local grid. Stations without solar often still use Tesla Energy battery packs to buffer peak demand from the utility.
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04-05-2016, 04:09 PM | #273 |
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Glad we agree as that was my point. Electricity may be 1/10 the price for you with solar panels, free electricity at night, and free charging stations nearby, but that's certainly not the norm and shouldn't be cited generically to someone asking about EV costs.
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04-05-2016, 04:21 PM | #274 | |
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I'll leave out the "electricity is cheap in your state" because clearly the Model 3 wins in every case. |
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04-05-2016, 05:11 PM | #275 | |
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