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Old 09-09-2019, 05:13 PM   #1
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Hi everyone,

I've been rocking that stock turbo life for a while now and am getting around to installing an ETS rotated kit on my 05 STi now.

To my surprise, there wasn't any documentation provided, so I've just been trying to figure things out...

I can't seem to get the turbo to line up peacefully with the downpipe and dump tube bracket, so I figured I'd ask people here about the order to install the turbo/exhaust parts.

I called ETS and mentioned my fitment woes and they pointed at the fact that I didn't buy the turbo from them, and that clocking the turbo perfectly would yield a successful install.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but clocking the turbo shouldn't really play any part in the uppipe/downpipe fitment since it's all one part (the tial v-band exhaust housing)...

Anywho - what's your strategy for getting the exhaust components lined up and v-banded together properly?
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:07 PM   #2
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I don't run an ETS kit, but a BNM kit

and getting the V-band exhaust housing on my turbo to mate up to the downpipe is a PITA.

Its much easier if you don't have the catback installed. I had to get the turbo in place just right, and then tighten the V-band on the uppipe to where it had a bit of play.

Then I lifted the downpipe up onto the V-band while my buddy tightened it. once that was tight, I tightened the uppipe V-band.

Not sure I could have done it by myself.
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:11 PM   #3
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kinda off topic but ive been trying to get in touch with BNM for some parts but they haven't respond to my emails lol
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:24 PM   #4
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I don't run an ETS kit, but a BNM kit

and getting the V-band exhaust housing on my turbo to mate up to the downpipe is a PITA.

Its much easier if you don't have the catback installed. I had to get the turbo in place just right, and then tighten the V-band on the uppipe to where it had a bit of play.

Then I lifted the downpipe up onto the V-band while my buddy tightened it. once that was tight, I tightened the uppipe V-band.

Not sure I could have done it by myself.
Does their kit's downpipe come in two pieces? Yeah, definitely seems like a PITA. I was thinking v-band would make things easier tbh, but clearly I was wrong

Seems like maybe I need to remove part 1/2 of the downpipe, then get the turbo seated properly on the up pipe, then put the downpipe on and hope it mates up properly down below... Sounds like a two-person job at this point lol. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Old 09-09-2019, 08:03 PM   #5
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Does their kit's downpipe come in two pieces? Yeah, definitely seems like a PITA. I was thinking v-band would make things easier tbh, but clearly I was wrong

Seems like maybe I need to remove part 1/2 of the downpipe, then get the turbo seated properly on the up pipe, then put the downpipe on and hope it mates up properly down below... Sounds like a two-person job at this point lol. Thanks for sharing your experience!
it is a 2 piece downpipe

I had to take it apart and assemble it once the top part was mated to the turbo.
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:05 PM   #6
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Went out and tried reseating things a bit. Got the uppipe connection sealing a bit better. I wish there was a protrusion on the uppipe to make seating the turbo a bit easier.

Something I noticed though is the vband clamp to the downpipe doesn't seem to want to sit in the groove of the turbo. The turbo <-> downpipe flanges look flush, but the vband clamp itself stands on the turbo exhaust housing a bit. Not sure if that's something to be super concerned about.

Heard a tip in a youtube video to try loosening the uppipe vband clamp while seating things, to make it a bit easier. Thinking about trying that...
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Went out and tried reseating things a bit. Got the uppipe connection sealing a bit better. I wish there was a protrusion on the uppipe to make seating the turbo a bit easier.

Something I noticed though is the vband clamp to the downpipe doesn't seem to want to sit in the groove of the turbo. The turbo <-> downpipe flanges look flush, but the vband clamp itself stands on the turbo exhaust housing a bit. Not sure if that's something to be super concerned about.

Heard a tip in a youtube video to try loosening the uppipe vband clamp while seating things, to make it a bit easier. Thinking about trying that...
Yeah I had to leave the uppipe vband loose.
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Old 09-09-2019, 11:23 PM   #8
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Yeah I had to leave the uppipe vband loose.
Oh, guess I should have specified: I have a v-band exhaust manifold, so there are two; not sure if yours has an upper and lower v-band clamp. I think they mean the lower one -> headers.
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:04 AM   #9
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I much prefer the t3 uppipe. But any which way you slice it. Everything needs to be mates with clamps or bolts loose. Then tightened when you’ve got it all together.
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Vbands are great except when they're not.

Even on my system that i custom built to get everything aligned just right... as soon as you take it off you have to find that perfect vband position again to get it back together just right.

They need to make keyed vbands or something.

I ordered some easy to use vband clamps from Stainless Bros. They're basically a sanitary flange type clamp so it's just a slip clamp with a thumb screw. They can be good for holding some parts together temporarily to get other areas lined up with the real clamps.

Do they build their system for tial turbine housings? I think they're different than the garret housings.
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ETS 30R kit on my '05 as well, V-band everything. LEAVE EVERYTHING LOOSE!!! Until everything is roughly starting to line-up with each other.

Leave the up-pipe to turbo loose so you can still rotate the turbo on the V-band so that the DP will line up with the exhaust, again leaving all DP V-bands loose!
Then install wastegate, leaving both v-bands loose so you can still rotate it if needed.
Install upper half of DP, keeping the lower half within reach to ensure it still lines up with the exhaust. Once the upper half is tightened down keep rotating the wastegate and dumptube until the bracket eventually lines up, just keep at it.
Install lower half of DP. Done.



Cliffnotes: keep everything loose until the component downstream lines-up.
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Old 09-10-2019, 07:43 PM   #12
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ETS 30R kit on my '05 as well, V-band everything. LEAVE EVERYTHING LOOSE!!! Until everything is roughly starting to line-up with each other.

Leave the up-pipe to turbo loose so you can still rotate the turbo on the V-band so that the DP will line up with the exhaust, again leaving all DP V-bands loose!
Then install wastegate, leaving both v-bands loose so you can still rotate it if needed.
Install upper half of DP, keeping the lower half within reach to ensure it still lines up with the exhaust. Once the upper half is tightened down keep rotating the wastegate and dumptube until the bracket eventually lines up, just keep at it.
Install lower half of DP. Done.


Cliffnotes: keep everything loose until the component downstream lines-up.

Yes! Thanks a ton for putting this together. Followed this today and managed to get things pretty well aligned. Also ended up clocking the turbo 5* to get the drain turbo to fit better; I think that was holding things up a bit.

Couldn't seem to get the downpipe and the dump tube to mount together, but i'm not too worried about it. I'll prolly just put a SS zip tie on it and call it a day.

Do you have their rotated FMIC too? Trying to figure out where these pipes are supposed to fit up ... not really making sense lol

Also seems like I might have to cut the radiator fan shroud, for the drivers side pipe to pop through
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To add more context, here are some pics.

Pic of where I'm thinking one of these pipes goes up through (drivers side):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EA...9R4tRUrqCnBzzX

Pic of the main intercooler pipes in question:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=16Y...8jt-L-FslCIzNO
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Yes! Thanks a ton for putting this together. Followed this today and managed to get things pretty well aligned. Also ended up clocking the turbo 5* to get the drain turbo to fit better; I think that was holding things up a bit.

Couldn't seem to get the downpipe and the dump tube to mount together, but i'm not too worried about it. I'll prolly just put a SS zip tie on it and call it a day.

Do you have their rotated FMIC too? Trying to figure out where these pipes are supposed to fit up ... not really making sense lol

Also seems like I might have to cut the radiator fan shroud, for the drivers side pipe to pop through


Nahh I have the TurboXS front mount kit, which was on the car when I got it.
You'll DEF need to trim the fan shrouds to fit that ~2"dia tubing, exactly where your dotted lines are. Once you get the IC mounted it should start falling into place.

The pipe all the way on the right in your pic is most likely the 1st cold side pipe coming outta the IC, ending right next to the battery. Here's mine, FOR REFERENCE



The pipe all the way on the left in your pic is most likely the one that hides in your passenger side fender, connecting to the inlet of the IC.
FOR ME I have a hodge-podge of pipes and couplers connecting this pipe to the turbo, since I needed to slightly butcher my TXS FMIC piping kit, but got it to work. Since you have both the ETS turbo and FMIC kits it should be much simpler for you.
*edit* I'm guessing the pipe in the middle of your pic is what connects your turbo to the pass side fender pipe.

Also looking @ ETS' site looks like there's 5 pipes total- are you simply not showing the other 2? The one with the flange is obviously for the BOV and connects to your TB.
*edit* now I see it was only those 3 that were in question.

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Nahh I have the TurboXS front mount kit, which was on the car when I got it.
You'll DEF need to trim the fan shrouds to fit that ~2"dia tubing, exactly where your dotted lines are. Once you get the IC mounted it should start falling into place.

The pipe all the way on the right in your pic is most likely the 1st cold side pipe coming outta the IC, ending right next to the battery. Here's mine, FOR REFERENCE



The pipe all the way on the left in your pic is most likely the one that hides in your passenger side fender, connecting to the inlet of the IC.
FOR ME I have a hodge-podge of pipes and couplers connecting this pipe to the turbo, since I needed to slightly butcher my TXS FMIC piping kit, but got it to work. Since you have both the ETS turbo and FMIC kits it should be much simpler for you.
*edit* I'm guessing the pipe in the middle of your pic is what connects your turbo to the pass side fender pipe.

Also looking @ ETS' site looks like there's 5 pipes total- are you simply not showing the other 2? The one with the flange is obviously for the BOV and connects to your TB.
*edit* now I see it was only those 3 that were in question.
Ah ok - perfect. Looks like the radiator needs to come out then to cut the shroud! Glad I didn't fill up on coolant yet LOL.

I managed to get the passenger side pipes on last night

Thanks for the thoughtful response!!

I just realized that the IAT bung is a different size than the sensor I bought. I bought the 1/8" AEM sensor (30-2014) but it looks like the ETS kit comes with a 3/8" bung.

Curious if using a reducer like so would cause any issues with air temp reading. The sensor won't be quite as far into the pipe now. Still searching for a flush mount adapter but no luck.

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