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Old 03-23-2012, 11:05 PM   #76
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I'm pretty sure I am going to trade my GTI in on this when it goes on sale and I'll tell you why.

1) I can only own one car, I live in an urban area.
2) I need to drive 250-400 miles a week for work
3) I Auto-X 20+ times a year and my brother co-drives.
4) I HATE ROADSTERS!!! REAL CARS HAVE ROOFS! (And I need at last a medium amount of trunk).
5) I value modern safety features! I love driving but I'm not willing to die for it!!

Can you think of a better car for me for under $25K?
Your options open up a lot if your willing to go used. Otherwise it seems like a great choice. As much as I love lwt pure sportscars (2x lotus owner), I am not sure I could pick one of these over a mustang gt if they are indeed available as cheap as you guys say. Definatly over a v6 mustang though.

also calm down roadsters are great, no problem if they are not for you, but they can definatley be real cars.
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:46 AM   #77
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I'm 26, single, and have no kids. I don't need a back seat (the back seat in my GTI is folded flat 95% of the time).

My same thinking . Just add in 29, and mtn bikes and surfs weekly (I'm sure there are racks that fit this car). Small back seats? Tell your friends to sit sideways. I'm stuck between this and the XV. My practical side is arguing with my impractical fun side.
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Old 03-24-2012, 02:29 AM   #78
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Your options open up a lot if your willing to go used. Otherwise it seems like a great choice. As much as I love lwt pure sportscars (2x lotus owner), I am not sure I could pick one of these over a mustang gt if they are indeed available as cheap as you guys say. Definatly over a v6 mustang though.

also calm down roadsters are great, no problem if they are not for you, but they can definatley be real cars.
I just don't care for them. The sunroof on my GTI stays closed 90% of the time. If this was not the case I'd already have a S2000.

I'm putting close to 30K a year on my car for work so if I get a new car I'll have some warranty for like a year or two... lol.
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Old 03-24-2012, 02:34 AM   #79
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So... you loved the interior, styling, weight, and RWD platform. Then you found a car that has a worse interior, worse styling (though subjective), much higher weight, and changed your mind because it was cheaper.

I guess that makes sense. In backwards world.

If I had to guess, price and HP were your *actual* loves, and you found the perfect car.
Oh I'll be the first to admit power was definitely a big factor in my choice. No arguments there. As for style I think the new mustangs are gorgeous though that is of course subjective. Have you looked at a premium gt's interior? It's actually pretty nice with the leather seats and other nicer looking trim pieces over the base. I just couldn't justify the price difference.

The mustang def. loses again in the weight department but that was something I was willing to deal with as it wasn't too much heavier than my STi was.

Go drive a new GT and take her on a twisty road. I think you'll be pretty surprised at how well she handles for how much of a fat ass she has lol.
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Old 03-24-2012, 03:31 AM   #80
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Oh I'll be the first to admit power was definitely a big factor in my choice. No arguments there. As for style I think the new mustangs are gorgeous though that is of course subjective. Have you looked at a premium gt's interior? It's actually pretty nice with the leather seats and other nicer looking trim pieces over the base. I just couldn't justify the price difference.

The mustang def. loses again in the weight department but that was something I was willing to deal with as it wasn't too much heavier than my STi was.

Go drive a new GT and take her on a twisty road. I think you'll be pretty surprised at how well she handles for how much of a fat ass she has lol.
Yeah, I hear ya. I did try the GT out... I just did not like it at all. Even my STI is bordering on obese driving feel. My next car will be oodles lighter...

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Old 03-24-2012, 07:28 AM   #81
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A nice for what it is and the Scion fans will still try to race us!;-)
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:46 AM   #82
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Heh, petite adults perhaps. I can't fit in an MCS, even in the driver seat. It's tiny.
Bs, the mini has more front seat room than my impreza.
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The Prowler was horrible.^^^^
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:18 AM   #84
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Dupe.

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Old 03-24-2012, 08:19 AM   #85
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Um, no.
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:41 AM   #86
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over 7 second 0-60 and over 15 second 1/4 mile... this is a lot slower than my GTI.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/23/2...-mile-in-15-3/
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Old 03-24-2012, 12:10 PM   #87
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Um, no.
MCS vs GM6 Impreza vs GD Impreza:

Headroom Front: 38.8" - 38.0" - 38.6"
Headroom Rear: 37.6" - 36.7" - 36.7"
Legroom Front: 41.4" - 43.1" - 42.9"
Legroom Rear: 29.9" - 32.5" - 33.0"
Shoulder room Front: 50.3" - 53.0" - 52.7"
Shoulder room Rear: 44.7" - 52.4" - 52.9"


The extra .8" of headroom really comes in handy when you're wearing a helmet. That's the most important dimension for me, so the MINI feels roomier to me than my 2.5RS ever did.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:46 PM   #88
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Don't forget those "long body, short legs" (or the opposite) folks who look at the same cars, but come up with totally different conclusions.
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:09 PM   #89
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The extra .8" of headroom really comes in handy when you're wearing a helmet. That's the most important dimension for me, so the MINI feels roomier to me than my 2.5RS ever did.
And yet, when I sit in the driver seat of a Mini, the side of my head is almost touching the top interior trim piece around the inside of the door. This does not happen on my 2.5RS, and it did not happen on my 2006 STI. Your numbers aren't the complete story -- I have a lot more room in any Impreza than I was able to get no matter how much fiddling with the seat I did.

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Don't forget those "long body, short legs" (or the opposite) folks who look at the same cars, but come up with totally different conclusions.
Guilty as charged. I sit taller than a buddy of mine who is 6' 4", even though I'm only 6' 0". He's all legs, I'm all torso. He looked like a child sitting in my STI after I put Recaros in it with the low sliders, while I was very comfortable.

Probably I won't be able to swing a BR-Z, even though I admit to being tempted. After selling my STI and getting the 2.5RS as an interim car, I'm really appreciating what 500 pounds less weight feels like. Even on a car with original 13-year old 125K struts . The BR-Z sounds like a blast. I'd have to trade cars with the wife every time I needed to take the kids, though.
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:57 PM   #90
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Don't forget those "long body, short legs" (or the opposite) folks who look at the same cars, but come up with totally different conclusions.
Oh... that's just wrong. They prefer to be called little people.
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:04 PM   #91
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^ Not sure if serious....
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:18 AM   #92
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People are so hung up on the price of this thing when no one has actually driven one. What's even better, is people that work in the industry and have driven the most impressive cars in the world are saying it's one of the most impressive cars they've driven and a bunch of people online are saying, "It's not worth it". Really?

I had the chance to sit in one the other day and I will say it was one of the most impressive cars I've sat it. It reminded me of a Porsche 911. It feels like the thing is just was fitted around me. It really was impressive.

This FR-S/BRZ argument against cars like the Mustang V6 and Genesis Coupe is funny as well. HP alone does not tell you how fast a car is. I have a Mustang GT, Genesis Coupe, and an STI at the dealership I work at. The STI is the quickest of the three and has significantly less power than the Mustang. Gearing plays a big part. Also take into consideration that it's much easier to add HP than shave weight. Try knocking lbs off the GC or even adding HP. They are not easy to tune and very few people do it on them. I was thinking about buying one and it just didn't seem tuner friendly. So look at the numbers. I would still take the BRZ, and I really love the STI.

Mustang V6 - 3447lbs, 305 HP, 11.30 HP/Weight Ratio
Genesis Coupe 2.0T - 3362-3492lbs, 274 HP, 12.27 HP/Weight Ratio
Genesis Coupe V6 - 3433-3563lbs, 348 HP, 9.86 HP/Weight Ratio
Subaru WRX - 3225lbs, 265 HP, 12.16 HP/Weight Ratio
Subaru STI - 3250lbs, 305 HP, 10.65 HP/Weight Ratio
Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ - 2606-2762, 200 HP, 13.03 HP/Weight Ratio
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Manual Trans Starting At $24,930, Automatic Trans Starting At $26,030 it's posted on their website
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:02 PM   #94
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^ plus I believe the regular article already mentioned the price along with the auto being a $1100 option
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Manual Trans Starting At $24,930, Automatic Trans Starting At $26,030 it's posted on their website
Yup, that's with the $700ish destination charge.
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People are so hung up on the price of this thing when no one has actually driven one. What's even better, is people that work in the industry and have driven the most impressive cars in the world are saying it's one of the most impressive cars they've driven and a bunch of people online are saying, "It's not worth it". Really?
  1. You haven't driven it either... why are you convinced that it's worth it?
  2. Those people were all gushing about how it performed during their 15 minutes with it on a track. I bet they'd be ecstatic to drive a Spec Miata around a track for 15 minutes too.. 15 minutes on a track doesn't give anyone a good idea of how well a car is to live with day in and out.
  3. The new reviews where people have driven it on the street are from the first drive junket in France.. in an area where the roadways were very smooth (even mentioned in a few of the articles).
  4. Component-wise and number-wise.. this car isn't impressive. I'm not concerned about the numbers, but the fact that there's nothing special about the suspension design or materials used in the chassis when compared to a $17,495 Impreza (nearly $7,500 cheaper than the FR-S) makes me question the value. At least, if there are some fancy components (like non-KYB inverted shocks or aluminum suspension arms), Toyota and Subaru have been eerily silent about them.
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:40 PM   #97
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  1. You haven't driven it either... why are you convinced that it's worth it?
  2. Those people were all gushing about how it performed during their 15 minutes with it on a track. I bet they'd be ecstatic to drive a Spec Miata around a track for 15 minutes too.. 15 minutes on a track doesn't give anyone a good idea of how well a car is to live with day in and out.
  3. The new reviews where people have driven it on the street are from the first drive junket in France.. in an area where the roadways were very smooth (even mentioned in a few of the articles).
  4. Component-wise and number-wise.. this car isn't impressive. I'm not concerned about the numbers, but the fact that there's nothing special about the suspension design or materials used in the chassis when compared to a $17,495 Impreza (nearly $7,500 cheaper than the FR-S) makes me question the value. At least, if there are some fancy components (like non-KYB inverted shocks or aluminum suspension arms), Toyota and Subaru have been eerily silent about them.
You're missing the point of the car. This is obviously a niche car that cost more to build and R&D than an Impreza that will sell 20X more copies as this.
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You're missing the point of the car. This is obviously a niche car that cost more to build and R&D than an Impreza that will sell 20X more copies as this.
What costs more to build? It's smaller and far less complex than an Impreza. The engine should cost a premium of a few thousand dollars, but that's it. No doubt, the r&d was costly, but not $5k/unit costly.

I don't get the car? I'm an autocrosser who ditched his STI because it was too heavy, front-biased and laggy. I've done track days. My first car was a 2500lb 100hp RWD BMW. I used to own and autocross a miata. I get exactly what this car is, I just don't get the price.
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[quote=BlaineWasHere;36706982]over 7 second 0-60 and over 15 second 1/4 mile... this is a lot slower than my GTI.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/23/2...-mile-in-15-3/[/quote

that was the auto tranny, they are claiming the gear forces an earl shift.
Those are highly pathetic numbers!
I'll wait for the Turbo version, should come with balls standard.
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I know it's just Jalopnik, but cited document may be legit?

http://jalopnik.com/5895358/the-scio...0?tag=scionfrs

Who still wants one?
Thats a nice little scion, Cant go wrong with toyota products, al though scions tend to be cheaplier made then toyotas
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