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Old 01-29-2018, 05:54 AM   #1
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Default 2018 Chevrolet Camaro Ss 1le Vs. 2018 Ford Mustang Gt Performance Pack

2018 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS 1LE VS. 2018 FORD MUSTANG GT PERFORMANCE PACK

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Old 01-29-2018, 06:35 AM   #2
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Then there is across the pond Review u know Chaps on greasy bits .

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/f...-car-twin-test

ďFordís engineers, by comparison, seem to have been bold enough to allow the Mustang to behave like a muscle car. They havenít tried to make it feel more athletic than it really is. So although its steering is quite loose to begin with, it is actually better matched to the rest of the chassis. Once the two cars are loaded up mid-corner, itís the Ford thatís the easier car to read too, the one that gives you a clearer idea of whatís going on down below. You feel just a little more empowered to drive the Mustang right up to the limit of grip.Ē
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Old 01-29-2018, 11:28 AM   #3
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Interesting how the Americans preferred the Mustang interior while the British did the Camaro's. Must be the chrome.
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I thought it was interesting how the Americans were all aboard the Chevy train for handling and the quote Avanti provided had the Europeans in love with the Mustang.
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I thought it was interesting how the Americans were all aboard the Chevy train for handling and the quote Avanti provided had the Europeans in love with the Mustang.
To be fair the Euro car was not a 1LE, which makes a huge difference I think.
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Itís good to see the rivalry alive and well.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:02 AM   #7
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I know the Camaro is a better performer, but every time I've gotten in one since it came back in 2010 I can't stand driving them, it's all blind spots and high belt line. Were I buying one of these two, it would still be the mustang. I'm glad to see the two in competition; maybe Ford will step up the suspension tuning and over take the camaro next time. The Challenger was of course completely absent from the comparison, and for good reason, but they know their market and aren't hurting for sales.
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Old 01-30-2018, 10:01 AM   #8
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That is while I prefer the Mustang over the Camaro, it is just a better designed car for every day life. Having said that, I would take the Challenger over either the chevy or ford, because it is apologetically still a muscle car and scoffs at 'handling' at the limits....
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Old 01-30-2018, 11:08 AM   #9
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1LE is amazing, though I suspect it is sporting some magic tires. The mustang looks so much better, and almost has full scale windows, but 49k for a no recaro GT seems crazy.
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Well, I looked at the two tires used on Tire Rack, the Camaro was sporting tires with much larger tread blocks and a 220 tread wear rating, where as the Mustangs tire looked to be a much better compromise tire with a 300 tread wear rating.
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I can't get over the steering wheel GM puts in these cars. Looks like it came out of the Malibu parts bin.
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Last week I drove a 2018 Mustang GT PP1 (no magride) and yesterday drove a Camaro 2SS. Both manuals.

These are just my opinions:
- Camaro has more torque and you can really feel it. On paper the numbers are close, but in reality the Camaro will push you back in the seat much more than the Mustang. The Mustang felt lacking on launch, but the new Coyote really comes to life the more you rev it. Both cars have their pros and cons and both make lots of power but deliver it differntly. I would give the power edge to the Camaro.
- Camaro has the better handling, but the Mustang did not have Magride. Perhaps that would have helped, but I really didn't feel like a 2SS (non-1LE) gave up much to my Z51. The Camaro just attacks corners and is so easy to drive. Took it on a really good twisty backroad and I was impressed. The 1LE must be very impressive.
- Camaro 2SS vs Mustang GT w/PP1, I say the Camaro is the better drivers car. I was shocked how close it was to the Corvette .
- But that's where the advantage ends. The Camaro is not nearly as nice a place to be as the Mustang. The visibility is just terrible. Cockpit feels claustrophobic. I don't know why they put some of the main cabin vents at the drivers hand level. The storage is really poor. Trunk is useless, interior storage is poor, very little place to store a large cellphone, sunglasses, etc.
- The Mustang seats (they were not Racaro) were much more comfortable than the 2SS seats. I was susprised at how uncomfortable the 2SS were, I tried several adjustments and could not find a sweet spot.
- They aimed the head unit so it is pointing down and I was actuallly getting glare fromthe backseat. Why did they do this?
- The 2018 Mustang interior is just nicer. Seats are better, technology is better, more storage more functionality. Much better sightlines.

This isn't really opinion but fact based, the Mustang is just a more practical and useful interior and give you 90%+ of the performance of the Camaro.

Exterior styling is subjective but I think the Mustang looks so much better in person. The Camaro team missed the mark in both exterior and interior vs the Mustang but nailed the driving dynamics and power/performance.

So it comes down to what is more important to you. The PP2 performance pack for Mustang will close the gap, but I have to believe the 1LE will beat it. The Camaro is an amazing car to drive. I much prefer it as a daily driver to the C7 Corvette. I just wish the styling matched the driving dynamics.
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FYI, they used a '17 Mustang not the new '18 version in the AutoCar review.
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Old 01-30-2018, 02:25 PM   #14
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It's funy, but each time I have run this comparison on my own for each generation so far the result has been the same. The Camaro has been faster, but the Mustang has been more fun/enjoyable. Each time the Camaro had something that held it back in the pleasure of the drive. The Fox Body VS the 3rd gen's it was the Cabin and dashboard. The Fox was more personable, the Camaro was a bit cold, and the dash went on for ever. Plus the Fox Body made better noises than the 305/350s of the time. The First LS1 Camaro was powerful, and surely got the job done, but the Mustang's greater willingness to play and ergonomics won my opinion over. My drives of the newest iterations has the same outcome, the '16/'17 Camaro was significantly faster in pretty much every way, but the Mustang was more fun, and a heck of a lot easier to live with.
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It has been this way since 1982.
The Camaro was usually faster, but the Mustang was a better total car. Ford is more clever at packaging than Chevy. For such a large car, the Camaro has always been remarkably scare on interior room.
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It has been this way since 1982.
The Camaro was usually faster, but the Mustang was a better total car. Ford is more clever at packaging than Chevy. For such a large car, the Camaro has always been remarkably scare on interior room.
GM has never been able to execute interiors of their flagship cars. Whether it be the Corvette, Camaro, or Cadillacs they have always been sore spots. I just don't understand how a company this large can't simply copy successful interior designs of other cars like Hyundai/Kia do. They always have to saddle their best offerings with interiors that looked like they were designed by Fisher Price.
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I sort of find crappy interiors and compromised ergonomics endeering in a performance car, not being able to see out it is unforgivable however.
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GM has never been able to execute interiors of their flagship cars. Whether it be the Corvette, Camaro, or Cadillacs they have always been sore spots. I just don't understand how a company this large can't simply copy successful interior designs of other cars like Hyundai/Kia do. They always have to saddle their best offerings with interiors that looked like they were designed by Fisher Price.
NO idea, but in the 'illustrious' history GM is a company that is known for following somebody else. Mustang was first. Camaro second. Aluminum ford trucks first, Chevy second. Ford had the Ranchero, then later the El Camino copied. Chrysler Minivans first, GM did not even come close. They are the #metoo car company. Somebody else has a good idea, and they copy it.
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NO idea, but in the 'illustrious' history GM is a company that is known for following somebody else. Mustang was first. Camaro second. Aluminum ford trucks first, Chevy second. Ford had the Ranchero, then later the El Camino copied. Chrysler Minivans first, GM did not even come close. They are the #metoo car company. Somebody else has a good idea, and they copy it.
Funny with that one, Ford guys who pitched and coined mini vans but never materialized ended up at Chrysler. I do like those Safari AWD vans tho.
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NO idea, but in the 'illustrious' history GM is a company that is known for following somebody else. Mustang was first. Camaro second. Aluminum ford trucks first, Chevy second. Ford had the Ranchero, then later the El Camino copied. Chrysler Minivans first, GM did not even come close. They are the #metoo car company. Somebody else has a good idea, and they copy it.
You can add pickup trucks to that list too.
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GM has never been able to execute interiors of their flagship cars. Whether it be the Corvette, Camaro, or Cadillacs they have always been sore spots. I just don't understand how a company this large can't simply copy successful interior designs of other cars like Hyundai/Kia do. They always have to saddle their best offerings with interiors that looked like they were designed by Fisher Price.
The fit and finish is good in the C7 and Camaro, but it's the layout of the Camaro that is poorly executed along with lack of storage in a car this big. I get the limited back seats but not having a good place to put a large cellphone is inexcusable. What is really cool though is the ability to adjust the temperature of the vents by turning the vent to either hot or cold. Very German like.
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Last week I drove a 2018 Mustang GT PP1 (no magride) and yesterday drove a Camaro 2SS. Both manuals.

These are just my opinions:
- Camaro has more torque and you can really feel it. On paper the numbers are close, but in reality the Camaro will push you back in the seat much more than the Mustang. The Mustang felt lacking on launch, but the new Coyote really comes to life the more you rev it. Both cars have their pros and cons and both make lots of power but deliver it differntly. I would give the power edge to the Camaro.
- Camaro has the better handling, but the Mustang did not have Magride. Perhaps that would have helped, but I really didn't feel like a 2SS (non-1LE) gave up much to my Z51. The Camaro just attacks corners and is so easy to drive. Took it on a really good twisty backroad and I was impressed. The 1LE must be very impressive.
- Camaro 2SS vs Mustang GT w/PP1, I say the Camaro is the better drivers car. I was shocked how close it was to the Corvette .
- But that's where the advantage ends. The Camaro is not nearly as nice a place to be as the Mustang. The visibility is just terrible. Cockpit feels claustrophobic. I don't know why they put some of the main cabin vents at the drivers hand level. The storage is really poor. Trunk is useless, interior storage is poor, very little place to store a large cellphone, sunglasses, etc.
- The Mustang seats (they were not Racaro) were much more comfortable than the 2SS seats. I was susprised at how uncomfortable the 2SS were, I tried several adjustments and could not find a sweet spot.
- They aimed the head unit so it is pointing down and I was actuallly getting glare fromthe backseat. Why did they do this?
- The 2018 Mustang interior is just nicer. Seats are better, technology is better, more storage more functionality. Much better sightlines.

This isn't really opinion but fact based, the Mustang is just a more practical and useful interior and give you 90%+ of the performance of the Camaro.

Exterior styling is subjective but I think the Mustang looks so much better in person. The Camaro team missed the mark in both exterior and interior vs the Mustang but nailed the driving dynamics and power/performance.

So it comes down to what is more important to you. The PP2 performance pack for Mustang will close the gap, but I have to believe the 1LE will beat it. The Camaro is an amazing car to drive. I much prefer it as a daily driver to the C7 Corvette. I just wish the styling matched the driving dynamics.
I test drove both before I bought my C7.

I agree the Camaro is an impressive performance car. However, the "daily" shortcoming are so severe that I think the Stingray is the better daily, at least for me.

As others noted, I too agree that historically, the Camaro has been the superior driver car while the Mustang had/has broader appeal. You had/have to buy the "upscale" Cobra, etc., to match or beat the Camaro with a handling pack--which is a smart marketing/profit move on Ford's part.

I hated the seats in the Mustang and think the MT82 is fundamentally a poor tranny--yes, I know it has been "updated."
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I test drove both before I bought my C7.

I agree the Camaro is an impressive performance car. However, the "daily" shortcoming are so severe that I think the Stingray is the better daily, at least for me.

As others noted, I too agree that historically, the Camaro has been the superior driver car while the Mustang had/has broader appeal. You had/have to buy the "upscale" Cobra, etc., to match or beat the Camaro with a handling pack--which is a smart marketing/profit move on Ford's part.

I hated the seats in the Mustang and think the MT82 is fundamentally a poor tranny--yes, I know it has been "updated."
Its the shifter and the clutch which is the problem.

I absolutely enjoy the **** out of my mt82 now that i have a Mcloed twin disc clutch and a MGW race shifter.
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I got burned by the MT82 on my 2012 GT so I would strongly consider the 10-speed auto if I was looking at one of these.
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I got burned by the MT82 on my 2012 GT so I would strongly consider the 10-speed auto if I was looking at one of these.
Ford updated the MT82 in teh 2018's:
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Referred to as MT82-D4, the latest incarnation of the six-speed manual developed from the Tremec TR-6060 promises to perform much better than its predecessor. The Getrag-supplied transmission is exclusive to the Coyote V8-powered Mustang GT and brings together a dual mass flywheel, twin disc clutch and revised gearing. The biggest difference compared to the gearbox equipping the 2015-2017 Mustang GT is the direct-drive fourth gear.
I can't speak for your previous issues but the 2018 M6 I drove was fine. It was pretty smooth and direct and no major clatter. Driving the Camaro SS a few days later, the Camaro gearbox might have shorter throws, but I didn't feel like either had a major advantage over the other.
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