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Old 11-07-2012, 04:24 PM   #26
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The lever is different, the linkage is the same. I thought it wasn't that much shorter than stock. Same height though, which is always a plus.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:24 PM   #27
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It is different.


The problem was the misinformation that I had. I was told the linkage was different but the shift lever was the same. Truth be told, the linkage is the same, the lever is different.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:32 PM   #28
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Derek and I learned something today. It is the SPT lever that is the difference. I compared a photo of his SPT vs. my Stock lever. They are clearly different (although very similar in appearance). Here is a photo that shows how it is different.



The photo is not to scale, but you can tell that section "3b" (SPT) is longer than "3a" (stock). This moves the pivot point and results in shorter throws (same concept that all aftermarket short shifters use).

You can also see that section "6b" (SPT) is shorter than "6a" (Stock). This makes up for the added length below the pivot point and results in both levers being very similar in overall length.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:54 PM   #29
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Thanks for the info. However I'm new to manual driving so I doubt I'll notice the differences anyway haha. Although I learned how to drive stick in my friend SUV with a very long shifter.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:14 PM   #30
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Trust us, if you get a short throw and bushings you WILL notice a difference. Personally, I prefer short throws and short height as well
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:14 PM   #31
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Thanks for the info. However I'm new to manual driving so I doubt I'll notice the differences anyway haha. Although I learned how to drive stick in my friend SUV with a very long shifter.
if you are still new, i would keep your stock shifter for a little bit until you get a hang of it. Then upgrade to short shifter/bushings.

I also purchased my car even though i barely knew how to drive manual. I practiced on my friends WRX with SS/Bushings and i did NOT like how it shifted because i had no idea where and how hard to shift.

I used my stock shifter for about 2 months and felt comfortable driving. Then i installed the SS and Bushings. Now i can drive it like 2nd nature.

Summary: stick with your stock shifter until you are comfortable. Then upgrade!
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:17 PM   #32
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I actually ordered it with the short throw shifter haha. I tested drive a 2011 WRX with SPT SS/Bushing and it felt very smooth and great to me so I decided I wanted it. After I became a member of Nasioc I realized there are much better/cheaper options for SS out there. Oh well at least I can stick a "SPT TUNED" sticker on my car since it's all SPT parts haha.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:17 PM   #33
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My SPT is definitely better than the stock lever, but far from good. If the car didn't come with the SPT shifter, I would have bought the Kartboy. I may still switch it out. The SPT is nothing special at all.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:28 PM   #34
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If anyone wants to get rid of their SPT short shifter for cheap, let me know!
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:58 PM   #35
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I have mine for sale. I know you know this, but maybe others don't

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Old 11-08-2012, 03:07 PM   #36
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I went from SPT to SPT + Perrin ST adapter to OEM + Perrin adapter to Kartboy, the Kartboy's my favorite right now.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:15 PM   #37
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Yeah only if I joined NASIOC before I ordered the car haha. At least I didn't order it with the malfunction Boost Gauge.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:37 PM   #38
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You can always switch it. My SPT is for sale because my wife picked up Xluben's Dual Adjustable SS for me. I like short height and throw....

The SPT is perfect for someone with warranty concerns but wants better than OEM.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:45 PM   #39
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SPT's price is a pretty big rip off though, considering it's $200 more than a better option. My SPT was dealer installed and I really couldn't tell much of a difference after they installed it.
If warranty is an issue, the Perrin adapter is a better choice since you can remove it in under 5 mins, and you still get to adjust the throw.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:55 PM   #40
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^ so the better choice is warranty fraud?
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:52 PM   #41
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Do share with me how changing the shifter angle is going to damage anything.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:05 PM   #42
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Though if you want to talk about fraud, try this gentleman here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2429756
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- Cost is $295 from Subaru, mine is in mint condition - LINK
Who's claiming his SPT shifter is comparable to a new one from Subaru when he's missing the: transmission to shifter linkage, the shifter linkage boot, the c-clip from the the shifter pivot, the shifter rod cup, the o-ring for the shifter rod cup, the shifter pivot bushing, the shifter front stay bushing, and the hardware to connect those together.

Oh, and that it's in mint condition even though it was recently taken out of the 2009 vehicle that it came with.

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Old 11-08-2012, 06:13 PM   #43
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Oh you mean all of the parts already installed on the car. Yeah I point that out in my FS thread homeslice. The only difference between the $300 package from subaru STP and OEM is the lever. I can back this statement up with documentation from Kartboy R&D and Subaru. There is no fraud. I clearly state that the lever is the only thing that the SPT package offers. You can also find out this info in the posts earlier in this thread.

What is wrong functionally with my lever? How do any miles do anything to it? Sorry but wear and tear doesn't apply on a piece like this. I can say with 100% confidence that you couldn't tell a difference between this lever and a new one.

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Do share with me how changing the shifter angle is going to damage anything.
It isn't. I was saying removing a part for a warranty claim is warranty fraud. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have to remove it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:24 PM   #44
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KEEP YOUR WARRANTY - BUY MY SPT SHIFTER!!!

Price - $150 + Shipping/PayPal Fees
- Cost is $295 from Subaru, mine is in mint condition - LINK
** Will trade for COBB SF Intake + Airbox **
PM me if you have other 08+ parts you might want to trade.


My wife is awesome and picked up a new (to me) SS package. I had no issues with my SPT setup, but I am going to go with what my wife picked me up. So this is for sale and sitting in storage in my garage until it sells. Easy to install, shorter than OEM, approved for Subaru Warranty.

Contact me if you have any questions.








First off:

The SPT package comes with ALL the parts I listed in my post. Which is part of the $300 price. Which you are not including.

You are STILL claiming that what you're selling, which is just the lever, is comparable to the $300 PACKAGE that Subaru is selling. Which it's not.

And no, your F/S thread does not list any of the missing items.

No need to act as though I've no idea that the difference between SPT and OEM throw lies in the shift lever alone. I had to explain it to you in the first place.

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I can say with 100% confidence that you couldn't tell a difference between this lever and a new one.
You can see the rub marks from the rubber shifter boot right here in your pic:


And here is a brand new one:

I'm terrified at your concept of 100% confidence, considering that even a monkey with glasses such as myself can see the difference between that and a new one.

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If it wasn't, you wouldn't have to remove it.
I've never removed my Kartboy

Do you really want to keep digging your hole?

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Old 11-08-2012, 06:40 PM   #45
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I've never removed my Kartboy
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If warranty is an issue, the Perrin adapter is a better choice since you can remove it in under 5 mins, and you still get to adjust the throw.
This is what I was talking about. That would be the warranty fraud.

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The SPT package comes with ALL the parts I listed in my post. Which is part of the $300 price. Which you are not including.

You are STILL claiming that what you're selling, which is just the lever, is comparable to the $300 PACKAGE that Subaru is selling. Which it's not.

And no, your F/S thread does not list any of the missing items.
My bad, I updated that on a different forum, I guess I didn't do it on this thread.

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You can see the rub marks from the rubber shifter boot right here in your pic:

Oh, yeah that rubber mark on the metal is really going to make a performance difference, DERP! A little brake cleaner would remove that smudge. Looking at the actual structure of the shifter, nothing is wrong. There is no missing material, there is nothing that would affect the function of the shifter. So I stand by my statement 100%. Your comment is like saying, "someone put mark on your shifter with a black marker, it must not work anymore"
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:45 PM   #46
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You claimed that your item is mint. Which it's not. You know what that's called? Fraud. You can be sure that I'll never purchase anything from you, considering how hard you are defending your little fraud.

You also claimed (with 100% certainty) that no one can tell the difference between your item and a new one. A new one has all the parts that I listed. Yours does not. Not to mention to wear mark. You know what those are? Those are "differences".

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If warranty is an issue, the Perrin adapter is a better choice since you can remove it in under 5 mins, and you still get to adjust the throw.
IF warranty is an issue, and to quote you:
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It isn't.
Regarding that mark:

It's actually the rubber polishing the surface of the shifter rod. I would know, since mine has the same thing. Brake cleaner won't remove that for you my friend.

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There is no missing material
When you polish something through abrasion, what you're doing is removing material, however small amount.
So your black marker analogy is incorrect, this is more like curb rash on a set of wheels. Sure they still work as wheels...but they sure as hell won't be "mint".

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Old 11-08-2012, 06:55 PM   #47
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I am not talking about the package! I am talking about the lever.


If you put my lever in a car and a new lever in a car, I know that you cannot tell the difference. They will function 100% the same. I would bet my lever on it.

Bushings are the only difference that someone would notice. Linkage should not be a variable. Bushings are hit or miss depending on where you live, some may notice, some may not. I agree with you on that.

I have no problem with you not buying my parts. There is a few people on NASIOC, 3Gwrx and the local forum that have worked with me and picked up parts. Every singe one of them has been happy. Xluben can speak to my character. He knows that I am honest and would never screw over anyone. Your opinion doesn't matter to me.

Sorry man I think we are on separate levels on this Perrin comment. I have no idea where you got my quote, but it is out of context. I was saying your comment about removing the Perrin part if you have warranty issues is warranty fraud. That is all. You are removing parts because you know they would void the warranty (or could). That action admits to the problem.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:04 PM   #48
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Make your defenses specific, general statements like that won't help you much. Nor do the backpedaling.

To make this easier for you:
Did you claim this
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I can say with 100% confidence that you couldn't tell a difference between this lever and a new one.
If so, explain what is that polished spot on the shift lever.

If polishing is in fact wear, is an item that has wear, "mint"?

Regarding the Perrin comment, no it is not out of context. I asked this:
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Do share with me how changing the shifter angle is going to damage anything.
Your answer:
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It isn't
Therefore, swapping to a short shifter is NOT a warranty issue according to you. By YOUR statement,
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You are removing parts because you know they would void the warranty (or could).
So, if it will not, and does not void the warranty, it's not warranty fraud by your definition. Unless removing anything from my car is a warranty fraud, then dear me I should turn myself in to a court of law for having removed my USB drives and loose change out of my car.

I do apologize if I come off as a bit too hostile, but I've received too many items on NASIOC labeled as "mint" but does indeed have wear marks on them. That and I've been watching too much court tv.

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:09 PM   #49
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Oh I agree, The Perrin adapter should not cause any Warranty issues with the car. We agree on that. But saying buy the Perrin one so you can remove it if you have a warranty claim is shady.

Here i took some more pics to try and show that no material that would cause any difference in function is missing. I still stand behind the statement. A new lever and my used lever will perform the same when installed in an OEM setup. Sorry I didn't specify lever when i said this, but it's safe to assume that new bushings are different than used bushings.

The sequence below is me rotating the lever.







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Old 11-08-2012, 07:12 PM   #50
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FYi - I was able to remove the black rubber with the simple wipe of a cloth. No cleaner needed.
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