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Old 01-29-2018, 12:50 PM   #51
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Wow great review. I'm surprised, I usually hear of the STi being a more "weekend"-able car and the WRX the better daily. I'm pleasantly surprised though, As i'm upgrading from a 02 WRX to a 04 STi. I personally love the older STi's and this will be my first STi. Looking forward to it! Nice car btw!
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Old 02-02-2018, 08:11 PM   #52
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I think he meant completely off boost. But I'm with you.

Even giving up the .5l, the FA has higher compression, so I doubt it's giving up much, if anything, even completely off boost. Plus, does it hit peak torque at like 1500 rpm?
Wasn’t gonna say anything, but since you touched on it. I also traded out of my 2017 wrx and into an 18 STI. My experience in this regard is much different than then the OP. In daily driving situations, and stop light to stop light driving, the WRX def has more get up and go off the line. Stock against stock, the STI in “I” mode def doesn’t feel more powerful off the line against a Wrx, never mind a modded FA. I will go on to say that where the turbo in the WRX starts to putter out, is really where it starts to feel more alive in the STI and the car pulls much harder up top. It’s def where you notice the extra power, especially in sport+. Gas mileage is also noticeably poorer in the STI. Other than those two points, the STI for me personally is def an upgrade in pretty much every other respect.
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Old 02-03-2018, 03:32 PM   #53
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In daily driving situations, and stop light to stop light driving, the WRX def has more get up and go off the line. Stock against stock, the STI in “I” mode def doesn’t feel more powerful off the line against a Wrx, never mind a modded FA.
The WRX definitely has tons of bottom end torque, and delivers it smoothly. For daily-driving chores where you keep the motor below 4000 rpm, it is great.

With the STI, I think you have to use your right foot a little more to get the same "oomph". Definitely have to in "I" mode, which is the least aggressive. But that doesn't mean the EJ is weaker; that's just a throttle mapping thing.

I would have welcomed a less aggressive, more progressive throttle in my WRX. And I keep my STI in "I" almost all the time; when I've tried the higher modes I had some of the same driveability issues I had with the WRX.

One subjective thing that is really hard to describe is how effortless the EJ feels when really giving it some beans. I think it's the short stroke and the shorter gearing, but don't know for sure. The FA feels effortless down low at partial throttle, but when you really lay into the throttle it feels like it is straining to rev higher. The EJ just revs.
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:30 PM   #54
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Awesome Write up.
Thank You for sharing.
After having my 08 WRX and am strongly considering going to a 2011,12,13 STI.

I heard that the newer 2015+ subaru's can be opened using a rasberry board
Is Subaru installing a fix for this?
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:31 AM   #55
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Timely. I just sold my 17 WRX limited and plan on picking up an 18 STI Limited Monday. I drove 3 18 STi and found most of what the OP said to be true.
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:32 PM   #56
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good choice and congrats!
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:33 PM   #57
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Sports sedan?


I would call it a sports car. A lot has changed in the past 100 years. You no longer have to ditch 2 doors/passengers/seats and a roof for better speed, acceleration and maneuverability.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:52 AM   #58
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Did you ever drive older models of each? I’m looking at a different daily driver that doesn’t bore me to death that’ll let me put a lot of miles on while keeping the repair bills low. Need awd system living in northeast as I commute on long, slick, and sometimes icy/snowy roads. Right now my beater is a fwd dog with tons of road noise and little power. Looking at used Golf R, WRX, STi...year range 2013-2016.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:56 AM   #59
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I went from a 2017 Limited to a 2018 Limited... and I love the reface that the WRX got for 2018....

roof rack mounts were my favorite "hidden gem" that I found on my '18 vs my '17
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:57 PM   #60
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Just went through and added one thing to the review. I've been getting seriously peeved at the Hill Start system, which I never had an issue with in the WRX. It will engage even at a stop on the flat surface, and hold the car for a moment when you start trying to go, and it completely screws with your feel of the clutch engagement. In the worst situations, you will start trying to accelerate, and the car will just stick there for a split second, revs building against the clutch. Then with a clunk, the system will let go, and you will lurch forward. It looks and feels like you have no idea how to drive a manual. This seems to happen roughly 15% of the time I'm stopped on a flat surface. Luckily, it is possible to disable the system.

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The WRX definitely has tons of bottom end torque, and delivers it smoothly.
With my experience with my one WRX and my one STI, I disagree with this, and you do touch on it later (but the numbers disagree with ME, so hey. Just going off feeling). I think it feels like it has more power because of that super aggressive throttle, and mine was not smooth, jerky as hell, almost undrivable in traffic. A flash will smooth it out, but my feeling was that I had to work a lot harder to get some power out of it.

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Did you ever drive older models of each?
I never did unfortunately, though for my next review I plan on renting a Golf R and a Focus RS so I can compare them all side by side.

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Old 02-21-2018, 06:39 PM   #61
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isn't the WRX actually faster 0-60 or is this only true for the prvious gen?
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Stock? I believe WRX is 5.3 and STI is 4.6.
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Old 02-21-2018, 11:17 PM   #63
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Today I test drove an '18 WRX and '18 WRX STI back to back. It was not the best test drive loop, and they were new so I couldn't wind them out - despite the salesman saying it was fine I just couldn't do it to the future owners of the vehicles.

That said, I came away strongly preferring the STI.
  • The ride quality was surprisingly similar. The test loop had a number of highway seams that stood out in the WRX. I thought, "Geez, what these will be like in the STI." Well, they were about the same.
  • The shifter is better
  • The steering is better
  • The exhaust sound is better
  • The 1-2 shift is better (less rev hang, which is just ridiculous in the WRX)
  • And not that I could appreciate it on my lame test loop, but the STI has a superior AWD system, which I value.

Overall, the STI makes more sense as a package to me. I found the road noise to be quite loud in both cars. If I'm going to have that level of road noise and lack of refinement it makes more sense to embrace the sports car theme than try to be a family sedan.

However...

I didn't find the STI to be any faster, which wasn't too surprising since I kept the RPMs low-ish. But it made me google the torque curves and these Road & Track dyno tests were pretty shocking. I'm not a power junkie - I'd be fine with the FA20 engine in the STI - but if I'm paying $7k extra and getting a massive drop in fuel economy, I'm afraid I expect more of a power jump than that. Let's admit it, the fuel economy of the STI is embarrassingly bad - you're getting the economy of V8 but without the low-end torque!

As much as I liked the car, I might be in the "I'm sorry Subaru, but I'm out until you bring this engine into the 21st century" camp.

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Old 02-22-2018, 07:09 AM   #64
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Stock? I believe WRX is 5.3 and STI is 4.6.
This is a good review
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ru-wrx-vs-sti/

WRX is very close to the STI in terms of performance. What kills it is that 4k-5k power dip.

I had also test driven a WRX and went with the STI. Much better car IMO.
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:02 AM   #65
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Timely. I just sold my 17 WRX limited and plan on picking up an 18 STI Limited Monday. I drove 3 18 STi and found most of what the OP said to be true.
500 miles now on the STi and no regrets. Everything feels better. Agree with the OPs observations.

Still breaking it in and keeping it under 4k but hilly terrain and highway driving speeds 50-90mph and Im averaging 22-24 MPG (gallons/miles) Not horrible. .
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:11 PM   #66
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Great write up. For those of us debating wrx/sti for a new purchase this is very helpful. Did you by chance drive the Focus RS or Golf R?
If he had, he might have gone with the Golf.

<---- Cross shopped the STI Limited with the Golf R. For a daily driver, it was no contest. Dynamic suspension is so choice.
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Old 02-22-2018, 02:53 PM   #69
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As much as I liked the car, I might be in the "I'm sorry Subaru, but I'm out until you bring this engine into the 21st century" camp.
I don't really blame you, and don't disagree with you. With a 15 year old engine and the not-so-smooth driving and loud interior, I don't think the car is the best option out there. But the Golf R was just a little too un-ostentatious to me, and I'd wanted an STI since like middle school. I am loving the car, but I'm coming from Porsche and this clearly isn't as good - but it is half the price AND more practical. The market mostly seems to be Ford Focus RS, Subaru WRX STI, Golf R, Kia Stinger.... what else, when it comes to 4 door AWD sport sedans? If you're willing to spend more, you get Alfa Guilia, BMW M3, Audi S4, Porsche Macan, a lot of other things, but I can't really think of much at our price point.
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I am loving the car, but I'm coming from Porsche and this clearly isn't as good - but it is half the price AND more practical.
Ohh, I'm curious. Which Porsche? I have a 987 Cayman.

After the porsche, how has it been living with the STI? Has the rawness and noise become tiring, or is it still part of the charm?

How do you compare the ride quality on bad roads?
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Old 02-22-2018, 03:10 PM   #71
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isn't the WRX actually faster 0-60 or is this only true for the prvious gen?
You can get to 60 in second gear on WRX. STI requires that second shift into third gear.
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Old 02-22-2018, 03:23 PM   #72
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Just went through and added one thing to the review. I've been getting seriously peeved at the Hill Start system, which I never had an issue with in the WRX. It will engage even at a stop on the flat surface, and hold the car for a moment when you start trying to go, and it completely screws with your feel of the clutch engagement. In the worst situations, you will start trying to accelerate, and the car will just stick there for a split second, revs building against the clutch. Then with a clunk, the system will let go, and you will lurch forward. It looks and feels like you have no idea how to drive a manual. This seems to happen roughly 15% of the time I'm stopped on a flat surface. Luckily, it is possible to disable the system.
I had the same issue with the hill start on my WRX since I first got it. I disabled it maybe 2 months after I bought the car.
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Ohh, I'm curious. Which Porsche? I have a 987 Cayman.

After the porsche, how has it been living with the STI? Has the rawness and noise become tiring, or is it still part of the charm?

How do you compare the ride quality on bad roads?
I had a 987 Boxster, I rented a 981 Cayman GT4 for a few days, and I test drove some Macan S's before heading to the Subaru dealer.

The Cayman GT4 is the most amazing car I've ever driven, ever. Second place is the Alfa 4C. But setting that aside...

The STI made me appreciate just how right Porsche got it, to make a fast, fun sports car just feel so effortless. The STI is fun, but I feel like I really have to work at it - throwing around the 4-door weight, pumping that clutch leg, pre-building boost, shifting all the time, managing the under/oversteer from the AWD system. It feels faster through the corners than the Boxter, (and just checked, by numbers the STI is faster), but it doesn't really feel like it. That roller coaster feeling and howl of the engine is gone, and of course a 4cyl turbo is not a flat 6 (but that makes me all the more curious to test out the 718).

On rough roads the Boxster was more comfortable, but just barely. I hated my Crosstrek seats, which I think are the same in the base WRX. But the limited STI seats remind me of the Porsche sport seats, which were nice and comfy both on road trips and in canyons.

For all that though the rawness isn't tiring, or hasn't been yet, even after a road trip. The noise WAS tiring for the 2017 model, but on my 2018 with the additional noise deadening, it really did the trick. Now that I have a new exhaust that's all out the window, but I was pretty happy with it. I do think you can get MUCH quieter cars, and the Macan I was looking at was moreso, but it's not bad.
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:53 AM   #74
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Great review OP. I came from a 14 WRX to an 18 base STi and the difference is huge. Test drove both 18 WRX and STi and just had to have the STi. The feedback and driving fun of the car is unbelievable. At 5000 miles now and it's not getting old
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You can get to 60 in second gear on WRX. STI requires that second shift into third gear.
Yeah, I thought that was for the previous gen with the WRX (5spd).
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