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Old 09-18-2021, 08:31 PM   #1101
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I'm hoping my dealer's willing to order some so I can drive one. They hate BRZs. Can't sell em..
Checked with one of the sales guys at my local dealer and he said so far he hadn't take any orders. I got the impression that he figured I wasn't interested in one coming from an STI, but this and the 86 tick all the boxes for a weekend fun car for me. I'm kicking around the idea of leasing one.
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Old 09-18-2021, 08:54 PM   #1102
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I'm hoping my dealer's willing to order some so I can drive one. They hate BRZs. Can't sell em..
That reminds me of when these cars first came out. I was a parts advisor at our local Subaru dealership, and we had a "BRZ Day" in April of 2012. Our district rep drove a Galaxy Blue BRZ over to the dealership, and we parked it in the showroom for a few hours. We had sandwiches, a big cake with a BRZ on it, and a white board for pre-order names to go on. People came from as far as Maine and Rhode Island to see it, and I was somehow able to drive it around the front of the building before it got parked inside.

Everyone was excited, except for the salespeople. All they could think about were the cars they weren't selling because of all of the BRZ hoopla wasting the time, and they knew these cars wouldn't sell here. They weren't wrong.

The last new BRZ they had was in 2015, and it took over a year for them to either sell it or do a dealer swap. I believe it was 2018 when our Toyota store last sold a new 86.

Used ones seem to move pretty fast, and I sold my BRZ privately at full retail value in less than a week back in 2018. But to this day, I rarely even see a Toyobaru on the roads around here, and if I do, it's usually from another state.

When the lease is up on my '21 Crosstrek (unless they REALLY want it and can pull some strings for me), I'd like to get into a BRZ. I wouldn't be surprised if they won't go less than MSRP, but I'll want top dollar for my trade too...every other Subaru is a Crosstrek around here.
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Old Today, 09:14 AM   #1103
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I'm hoping my dealer's willing to order some so I can drive one. They hate BRZs. Can't sell em..



We are the same; but, as they hit, maybe they will bring back some of the original popularity and they'll change their mind for the first couple years.
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Old Today, 11:11 AM   #1104
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GR86 vs GT86 vs ND2 Miata vs AP2 S2000


GR86:
209 whp @ 7000 RPM
174 lb-ft @ 3300 RPM
2814 lbs

GT86:
163 whp @ 6600 RPM
131 lb-ft @ 4500 RPM
2795 lbs


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Old Today, 11:31 AM   #1105
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Solid review.
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Old Today, 01:07 PM   #1106
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GR86 vs GT86 vs ND2 Miata vs AP2 S2000

2022 Toyota GR86 | Drag Race, Dyno, Review - YouTube

GR86:
209 whp @ 7000 RPM
174 lb-ft @ 3300 RPM
2814 lbs

GT86:
163 whp @ 6600 RPM
131 lb-ft @ 4500 RPM
2795 lbs



Still a dip, but really nice numbers!
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209whp is great
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Old Today, 01:10 PM   #1108
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Love his reviews. Straight to the point, no fluff. Really encouraged to see his review. The added power seems to really make an impact, that's a huge increase on the dyno.

I'm interested to learn more about the impacts of the BRZ vs 86 tweaks and which one I'd like more.

As of 1-1/2 years ago, I almost pulled the trigger on an S2K or BRZ because I was interested in a little sporty coupe. S2K kinda tugged at me because of the convertible. I found one, paid for a pre-purchase inspection and changed my mind at the last minute and bought a motorcycle. Still not sure that was the right decision for the climate I live in. I sorta dismissed the ND2 Miata because of the stigma around it but maybe I should reconsider. I have no time/ability to start tracking a car right now, so I'd be fine with a street car. But the BRZ has appeal as once my littlest is sitting forward in a car seat, I could still do daycare dropoff. Only issue is I'd likely need to drop the motorcycle to do so - don't have a spot in my life for two family cars, a motorcycle, sport coupe, family, work, and all my other hobbies...
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Old Today, 01:15 PM   #1109
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Savagegeese review is especially applicable because they owned the Twins (at least BRZ, I think). So they're extremely familiar with the platform's strength and weaknesses. They're on to bigger and better cars now, but I could see them snatching up used or late model Twins before affordable, RWD, manual sports coupes are completely expired. I'm definitely in the same boat (without having a bigger, better, more expensive car ).

I didn't know that SGP informed the new chassis. I remember when the BRZ/86 development informed the chassis of the pre-SGP Subarus and everything got upgraded suspension. Nice to see them sharing so much DNA in the good ways.
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More than 40whp/tq is damn impressive. Big question is if its going to hold up for the production cars too.

IIRC those are better numbers than Bugeyes made stock.
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More than 40whp/tq is damn impressive. Big question is if its going to hold up for the production cars too.

IIRC those are better numbers than Bugeyes made stock.
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It makes similar peak power compared to the AP2 S2000, but more torque and significantly more area under the curve. There's no comparison below 6000 RPM.

Here are a couple stock AP2 S2000 dynos for comparison.





The AP2's F22C was capable of ~230-240 whp with bolt-ons & tune depending on the dyno. Looking forward to seeing what the twins' FA24D is capable of.
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Hopefully the BRZ tS isn't too far off. That, plus bolt-ons and a tune, I think I'd be set. PPF, a little lowering, and maybe better offset wheels, and after that I probably wouldn't touch the car again for modding.

Famous last words, I know. But having been through it with my last BRZ, I feel like I know what I'm getting into and just want a nice, fun new car to enjoy.
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Hopefully the BRZ tS isn't too far off. That, plus bolt-ons and a tune, I think I'd be set. PPF, a little lowering, and maybe better offset wheels, and after that I probably wouldn't touch the car again for modding.
If those wheel numbers hold up, an ethanol tune+FBO car is going to be great on the street.
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They're on to bigger and better cars now, but I could see them snatching up used or late model Twins before affordable, RWD, manual sports coupes are completely expired.
Pretty sure I heard Mark say Jack is getting one? at the end but then I was rushing thru lunch
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Hopefully the BRZ tS isn't too far off. That, plus bolt-ons and a tune, I think I'd be set. PPF, a little lowering, and maybe better offset wheels, and after that I probably wouldn't touch the car again for modding.
Agreed. I'm afraid we'll probably have to wait a few years since the there isn't even a PP/Brembo brake option yet. I guess they're saving that for the 2023+.

I'll probably also swap the current 4.3 final drive/diff for an added boost in wheel torque (and more shifting) if they don't add that in one of the refreshes.

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If those wheel numbers hold up, an ethanol tune+FBO car is going to be great on the street.
They're similar (a little lower) than the BRZ dyno from Japan. The torque curve shape is very similar which is promising.
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We have polar opposite tastes. Tan interior? Brown car, yellow?
I love old man colors. Brown is criminally underrated on affordable sports cars.

A tan leather interior is a great place to be, and looks great with many exterior colors. There's a reason Porsche and Ferrari use them so much.
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I love old man colors. Brown is criminally underrated on affordable sports cars.

A tan leather interior is a great place to be, and looks great with many exterior colors. There's a reason Porsche and Ferrari use them so much.
Interior, Henry Ford style, black.

Exterior colors: Grey, Silver, Blue. Red would be nice but a cop magnet. My AP2 was red and LE stops were frequent. Brown/tan on anything, is straight old man. And Iíll never be old enough for that nasty sheet.
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Red would be nice but a cop magnet. My AP2 was red and LE stops were frequent. Brown/tan on anything, is straight old man.
You're so close to getting it..
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Tan interiors are far far cooler in hot climates. A white car with a tan interior is an ideal Southwest color combination.

But it does show scuff marks and dirt quite a bit more. I would love a blue with tan interior BRZ, maybe if they do a Lexus version it will have it?
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Tan interiors are far far cooler in hot climates. A white car with a tan interior is an ideal Southwest color combination.

But it does show scuff marks and dirt quite a bit more. I would love a blue with tan interior BRZ, maybe if they do a Lexus version it will have it?
Ceramic tint (nano) on everything makes that a non-starter. I even put clear tint on my windshield so I don't have to use one of those stupid foldable visors. I'm in the South with 102 degree summers and 90% humidity. First place a new ride goes is the shop for clearbra, tint, etc. Then over to get the OEM audio garbage taken out and replaced.

It's funny though. I see why affordable sports cars are dying. They deliver this deal for 30k. And we've got people stating "I'd really like to see tan interior and odd colors like piss green, piss yellow, and dookie brown". Our car market is doomed.
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A tan leather interior is a great place to be, and looks great with many exterior colors. There's a reason Porsche and Ferrari use them so much.
Old man tan
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It's funny though. I see why affordable sports cars are dying. They deliver this deal for 30k. And we've got people stating "I'd really like to see tan interior and odd colors like piss green, piss yellow, and dookie brown". Our car market is doomed.
I said I found what I wanted in the base model.. with red paint.

In looking for something worth complaining about I suggested that I'd like to see some varied colors in upcoming special editions. Geeze.. why you so bent out of proportion about dookie brown? I didn't ask you to wrap your R1 in brown vinyl (even though it would look better that way).

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That dyno is great news. My tuned BRZ (intake & catless headers etc.) made 189whp on a Mustang. Stock, it dynoed at ~150-something whp. The new one will be a blast to drive.
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GR86 vs GT86 vs ND2 Miata vs AP2 S2000

2022 Toyota GR86 | Drag Race, Dyno, Review - YouTube

GR86:
209 whp @ 7000 RPM
174 lb-ft @ 3300 RPM
2814 lbs

GT86:
163 whp @ 6600 RPM
131 lb-ft @ 4500 RPM
2795 lbs

wow... just watched the video...those numbers are impressive! Strange they claim the GR86 has 20+ more HP than the previous 86, but really more like 40+ to the wheels!
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