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View Poll Results: Please report your oil consuption here for the vehicle you own(ed)
2011-14 Forester - Excessive Consumption 13 13.68%
2011-14 Forester - Normal/No Consumption 8 8.42%
2013 Legacy - Excessive Consumption 2 2.11%
2013 Legacy - Normal/No Consumption 4 4.21%
2012-13 Outback - Excessive Consumption 4 4.21%
2012-13 Outback - Normal/No Consumption 5 5.26%
2012-13 Impreza - Excessive Consumption 34 35.79%
2012-13 Impreza - Normal/No Consumption 30 31.58%
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:41 PM   #26
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If there's no mechanical issue...then why are there service bulletins for it?

My wife's 2013 Mini Cooper goes 10k miles between changes and burns 1/4 qt.

My 2010 Outlander (AWD 3.0 V6) burns 1/2 qt between changes (7500 miles).

The rate at which these Subarus are consuming oil is excessive. They're not race cars, they're not trucks, they're econoboxes.
This is tantamount to saying my Z06 does zero to sixty in 4 seconds, but my Impreza does it in 8. That means there is something wrong with my Impreza.

Or my Impreza gets 30mpg, but a 1994 Civic DX gets 45mpg. That means there is something wrong with my Impreza.
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No, it points out that its not normal for newer vehicles to consume excessive amounts of oil.

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Old 01-08-2015, 11:28 AM   #28
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Reading this thread was cringeworthy...

Subaru of America in my 2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek defines excessive oil consumption as 1 U.S. quart every 1200 miles.

Do your homework before complaining...
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:39 AM   #29
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Reading this thread was cringeworthy...



Subaru of America in my 2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek defines excessive oil consumption as 1 U.S. quart every 1200 miles.



Do your homework before complaining...

And you think that's acceptable? You do the math on a 6~7.5k OCI. Ridiculous.


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And you think that's acceptable? You do the math on a 6~7.5k OCI. Ridiculous.


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Go ahead and tell Subaru of America that and see how they react.

If they help, all the more power to you.

If not, tough ****, your engine is still in Subaru's specs, as ridiculous as you may think the spec is.


Engines burn oil, this is a fact. Any driving at high revs will likely increase oil consumption so that needs to be taken into consideration.


However I find it just as ridiculous that there are members complaining of oil consumption when most seem completely unaware of Subaru's official definition of excessive consumption.

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Old 01-08-2015, 02:59 PM   #31
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Reading this thread was cringeworthy...

Subaru of America in my 2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek defines excessive oil consumption as 1 U.S. quart every 1200 miles.

Do your homework before complaining...
Where's this info from?
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Old 01-08-2015, 03:05 PM   #32
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Go ahead and tell Subaru of America that and see how they react.

If they help, all the more power to you.

If not, tough ****, your engine is still in Subaru's specs, as ridiculous as you may think the spec is.


Engines burn oil, this is a fact. Any driving at high revs will likely increase oil consumption so that needs to be taken into consideration.


However I find it just as ridiculous that there are members complaining of oil consumption when most seem completely unaware of Subaru's official definition of excessive consumption.
No, I'm not surprised by some amount of oil consumption.
My own FB25 (from a MY2011 Forester) is usually going through 2 quarts of M1 0W20 over the course of a 7.5K OCI. So, I'd say it's reasonable.
BTW, I knew about the 1qt per 1200~1500 miles figure because that what I was told back in 2011 by a service adviser at my dealership. I acquiesced and moved on.
But, if oil consumption had been anywhere close to 1qt per 1,200 miles, the Forester would be loooonnnnng gone; not keeping a 4-stroke piston engine that goes through oil like a damned 2-stroker .
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However I find it just as ridiculous that there are members complaining of oil consumption when most seem completely unaware of Subaru's official definition of excessive consumption.
Maybe that's because they don't advertise it?

Maybe dealerships aren't being up front and saying "by the way, this new car will likely consume 2-3 qts of oil between changes, so be sure to keep a quart or two in the trunk when that oil light comes on 1200 miles into your last oil change! Oh and it's not covered by our maintenance agreements, so better add that to your cost of ownership".

You know why? People wouldn't buy it if they knew that. Maybe Subaru should have added a 2qt oil reservoir to the crankcase if that's how its gonna be with new Subarus...

All the gear heads thinking the normal consumer should just come to terms with the fact their cars are guzzling oil have been huffing too many fumes to understand that average people don't want cars like this. The excess consumption is a nuisance for a new vehicle.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:29 PM   #34
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Where's this info from?
My 2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek Owner's Manual:
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If the oil consumption rate seems abnormally high after the break-in period, for example more than 1 quart per 1,200 miles or 1 liter per 2,000 kilometers, contact your SUBARU dealer.
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Maybe that's because they don't advertise it?

Maybe dealerships aren't being up front and saying "by the way, this new car will likely consume 2-3 qts of oil between changes, so be sure to keep a quart or two in the trunk when that oil light comes on 1200 miles into your last oil change! Oh and it's not covered by our maintenance agreements, so better add that to your cost of ownership".

You know why? People wouldn't buy it if they knew that. Maybe Subaru should have added a 2qt oil reservoir to the crankcase if that's how its gonna be with new Subarus...

All the gear heads thinking the normal consumer should just come to terms with the fact their cars are guzzling oil have been huffing too many fumes to understand that average people don't want cars like this. The excess consumption is a nuisance for a new vehicle.
I drive 1200 miles a week. I top off about two quarts between oil changes. It's not exactly a huge inconvenience for me to top it off every 3500-4000 miles. Sure, it's far from perfect, but it isn't exactly guzzling through it like a Wankel rotary, nor is it getting bad fuel economy.

I would consider myself a gearhead, and I only consider it a minor inconvenience rather than a nuisance.


However, it is your right to believe that the oil consumption rate on FB engines is excessive and unacceptable. Heck, you SHOULD tell Subaru of America.

Remember the 2008 WRX? Subaru at least TRIED to alleviate the major issues and gripes that Subaru enthusiasts threw at them. Shoot them an email and please do report back on what the rep says.
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And you think that's acceptable? You do the math on a 6~7.5k OCI. Ridiculous.


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It means you should read the contract you've entered into by buying the car before actually buying a car.
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Old 01-09-2015, 03:19 PM   #36
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Also, 90% of us drive under "severe driving" according to Subaru, which technically has a shorter OCI than under "regular driving".

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> Rough, muddy, dusty, wet, humid, cold, mountainous, salty conditions (basically any country or winter driving)
> Towing a trailer.
OCI for severe driving is 3750 miles. So either way Subaru is able to save their ass
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It means you should read the contract you've entered into by buying the car before actually buying a car.
There is no need to be condescending here. That's not useful.
IMO, the crux of the matter is that Subaru has manufactured FB engines with improper oil control piston rings starting some time back in 2010 with the FB25.
For some reasons, it took until April/May of 2013 for Subaru to recognize the problem and issue a TSB about it.
As far as I'm concerned, stating that consuming 1qt oil per 1,200 miles is acceptable for a *non-performance* engine is a cop-out / excuse that SOA was all too happy to go along with. Period.

So, again, let's stop with the snarky remarks about reading ****ing contracts before buying ****ing appliances.
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There is no need to be condescending here. That's not useful.
How was my post condescending?
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How was my post condescending?
That's what I felt transpired through your post. Was I wrong?
In any case, my point is, some FBs out there consume very little oil, others, like mine, consume what I feel is an acceptable amount (up to 2 qts per 7,500).
And then, you have FBs that are, IMO, messed up.
There's a TSB out there to fix the issue but it relies on dealership technicians for dropping new rings in instead of replacing the entire short block. It's not confidence inspiring to say the least.
But, hey, that's what these people agreed to on the day they bought these cars, right?
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That's what I felt transpired through your post. Was I wrong?
In any case, my point is, some FBs out there consume very little oil, others, like mine, consume what I feel is an acceptable amount (up to 2 qts per 7,500).
And then, you have FBs that are, IMO, messed up.
There's a TSB out there to fix the issue but it relies on dealership technicians for dropping new rings in instead of replacing the entire short block. It's not confidence inspiring to say the least.
But, hey, that's what these people agreed to on the day they bought these cars, right?
No.

It would have been condescending if I had said:

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You'd know that if you weren't a useless millenial with a misplaced sense of self-entitlement.
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No.

It would have been condescending if I had said:
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It means you should read the contract you've entered into by buying the car before actually buying a car.

You'd know that if you weren't a useless millenial with a misplaced sense of self-entitlement.
The term "millennial" does not apply to me.
I'm 37 and was born and raised in a tiny island in the West Indies where things were certainly not handed to my folks or me.
So, I'm not sure where you're going with your self-entitlement bit.

Would you mind explaining to me again how you would be able to run a FB25 with 5 quarts missing out of a sump that reads full with 6 quarts of oil? Fascinating stuff I'm sure.
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The term "millennial" does not apply to me.
I'm 37 and was born and raised in a tiny island in the West Indies where things were certainly not handed to my folks or me.
So, I'm not sure where you're going with your self-entitlement bit.

Would you mind explaining to me again how you would be able to run a FB25 with 5 quarts missing out of a sump that reads full with 6 quarts of oil? Fascinating stuff I'm sure.

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Old 01-13-2015, 08:56 PM   #43
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manufacturers consider a qt in 1,000 miles normal, not me!!! girlfriends new 13 2.5L naturally aspirated not a subie took a qt in first 1,000. drained the factory oil 5w20 water. replaced with proper spec 5w-20, another qt at 2500, by 5,000 down again. changed to Amsoil signature series PAO real synthetic 10w-30 + have not needed oil since, now almost 20,000. Amsoil signature series is a 25,000 mile 1 yr oil. the xw20 oils for mpg's aren't doing you any favors for sure. the new Pennzoil GTL platinum group III fake synthetic 10-30 is a good cheaper choice. many of the same cars sold in europe spec 5w-30 not the watery xw-20 oils
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Honestly, a new car should not need a full quart added on a 5000mi interval. The last time I had a car that consumed as much oil as my GF's 2012 Impreza, it was a 12A rotary engine. Luckily my 2015 Forester hasnt shown any need for topping up between intervals as of yet, almost at 10k, doing second oil change this week.
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Old 01-18-2015, 04:17 AM   #45
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I'm sure the same polls exist on other motor enthusiast forums as well then.

Are you saying those owners with cars consuming excess amounts of oil should just live with it and continue to top off every fill up? I tell you what, you won't catch me topping off a new vehicle, I won't put up with a new car having mechnical issues from the get-go. What about the average driver who doesn't maintain their own car or even know how to put oil in? What are they left to do? Contact the dealer, and take more time out of their work schedules to get it fixed. Time is money my friend...

I bought a 2012 Impreza...had excess consumption and sold it to carmax. The hoops that SOA is making owners jump through to test/repair without 100% success rates is very time consuming.

I agree that joining the lawsuit will net you a few dimes on a dollar, but its worth it if it forces SOA to acknowledge and fix the issue (with certainty) on the company's dime.
Uhhh YES no dealer wants you to do the oil change if in total it can add 3k to seeling price since they are keeping the records vs ....You Joe...every car man wants you to bring your car in..not justwhen its broken...they like keeping history and calling you to come give them 80 dollars so they can get paid...for checking your oil.
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Rotella T6 on boosted 2.5i 3k oil changes I don't even bother topping off and my oil stays put..maybe half a quart by oil change but its oil its either less or more fuel inriched also...Rich Tunes apply...
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I'm sure the same polls exist on other motor enthusiast forums as well then.

Are you saying those owners with cars consuming excess amounts of oil should just live with it and continue to top off every fill up? I tell you what, you won't catch me topping off a new vehicle, I won't put up with a new car having mechnical issues from the get-go. What about the average driver who doesn't maintain their own car or even know how to put oil in? What are they left to do? Contact the dealer, and take more time out of their work schedules to get it fixed. Time is money my friend...

I bought a 2012 Impreza...had excess consumption and sold it to carmax. The hoops that SOA is making owners jump through to test/repair without 100% success rates is very time consuming.

I agree that joining the lawsuit will net you a few dimes on a dollar, but its worth it if it forces SOA to acknowledge and fix the issue (with certainty) on the company's dime.
Uhhh YES no dealer wants you to do the oil change if in total it can add 3k to seeling price since they are keeping the records vs ....You Joe...every car man wants you to bring your car in..not justwhen its broken...they like keeping history and calling you to come give them 80 dollars so they can get paid...for checking your oil.
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no option for crosstreks?

I have recently purchased a 2014 crosstrek, only has about 4300km on it but, no noticeable consumption from checking the dipstick at every fuel fillup. Changing oil this week and will continue to monitor at every fill up.

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Rotella T6 on boosted 2.5i 3k oil changes I don't even bother topping off and my oil stays put..maybe half a quart by oil change but its oil its either less or more fuel inriched also...Rich Tunes apply...
This thread is in reference to the newer FA/FB engines that have shown oil consumption issues in their first 2-3 years. EJ's dont have the same issue.
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I don't have 25 posts so I can't participate in the poll.

My wife's 2012 Impreza burns less than half a quart between 5k mile oil changes. Never had the oil light on. 43k miles on it now.

So if 1 quart every 3k is normal, does that make her car paranormal? Supernatural?

Not sure I buy the argument that all cars need to be topped up between changes. I've had about 16 cars in the past 16 years with hundreds of thousands of miles between them and the only car that needed to be watched was an RX8. Didn't always need a top up though (3k OCI).
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