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Old 01-09-2019, 06:19 PM   #1
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Hey all,

I just wanted to share my experience "tracking" my WRX for the first time this past Sunday.
Go Fast Events puts on a cool 'track cross' series at Summit Point with events in both summer and winter. Format is standing start time trial style similar to autocross, but basically 1/2 to 3/4 lap of the Shenandoah or Jefferson, so speeds get pretty decent - most cars will hit 3 and 4th gear. Not exactly the hours of seat time I'm used to with HPDE events, but not bad for something different in the middle of winter.

First time for me tracking anything on a 40 degree track on 400 treadwear tires, also first time doing any high performance driving in my mostly stock daily WRX wagon. I've done bunches of full HPDE days in my other "track" car, a '95 Chevy Caprice, which is a fairly different experience, altogether, haha.

Mine is the giant land yacht running down the WRX in this photo from Nelson Ledges this past spring. Good day, great track with the repave!


Anyway, I was genuinely surprised how quickly my WRX would rotate with the right braking technique, and I was even able to get some lift throttle oversteer a few times, which I wasn't expecting, but kinda cool to be able to work around the inherent understeer.

I had some trouble with my Harry's Laptimer app crashing, so I wasn't able to get any data or overlay any video, but still have a few raw GoPro clips of the runs:



Some of the morning grid:


KAROUSEL!!!!




Overall car ran very well, and I feel I did ok for my first time in my daily. I think I finished 6 out of 10, with the winner of the class going to a gentleman with plenty of experience in his R35 GTR. I'm looking forward to doing some swaybars and maybe a UHP Summer tire/wheel setup for the occasional autocross or track day if I don't feel like running the other car at future events.

I'm also definitely looking forward to running the full Shenandoah circuit with Auto Interests come August in my track car. Ready to rip that carousel!

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Old 01-10-2019, 09:16 AM   #2
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Nice work, I usually run all of these events but I'm dead in the water waiting for my motor to come back from IAG. I was actually set to take 3rd overall for the summer season until my motor gave out with two events left.

Maybe I'll see you out there when I get my motor back.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:13 AM   #3
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Looks like fun! I’ll have to keep my eyes open for future events
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:58 AM   #4
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I did their Summer series. It's good fun. I typically did track events with TrackDaze (same Jon Felton) in my prior VW, but these are good events for people who just want a taste, and/or aren't sure their car/tires will survive 25-30 minute sessions of torture.

First event this summer ran the Karussel backwards, which it's not designed for. Some people hated it. I thought it was a hoot. The pistol grip backwards is really weird.


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I did their Summer series. It's good fun. I typically did track events with TrackDaze (same Jon Felton) in my prior VW, but these are good events for people who just want a taste, and/or aren't sure their car/tires will survive 25-30 minute sessions of torture.

First event this summer ran the Karussel backwards, which it's not designed for. Some people hated it. I thought it was a hoot. The pistol grip backwards is really weird.


I loved the backwards Karussel and I also found the backwards pistol grip to be a bit strange, every time around it I kept making slight changes to my line to get it figured out but I just didn't get enough passes to get through it as clean as I would have liked.
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:21 PM   #6
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Nice work, I usually run all of these events but I'm dead in the water waiting for my motor to come back from IAG. I was actually set to take 3rd overall for the summer season until my motor gave out with two events left.

Maybe I'll see you out there when I get my motor back.
Man that's a bummer! Did it pop at one of the events??
I mayyyyyyy do the next one in February. Not sure which car I'd take, unless it's snowy and salty, then the Caprice is definitely staying in the garage. It's a tough swallow to drive a little over 6 hours round trip for 10-15 minutes of driving, and spending probably $250-$300 in the process....

Do you do any HPDE stuff in that region? I'm much more likely to make hauls like that for full days.

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Looks like fun! Iíll have to keep my eyes open for future events
One more this winter:
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I did their Summer series. It's good fun. I typically did track events with TrackDaze (same Jon Felton) in my prior VW, but these are good events for people who just want a taste, and/or aren't sure their car/tires will survive 25-30 minute sessions of torture.

First event this summer ran the Karussel backwards, which it's not designed for. Some people hated it. I thought it was a hoot. The pistol grip backwards is really weird.


I didn't realize Jon was the guy behind Track Daze! Cool! Checking their site, I may actually cruise down for their Shenandoah day in May instead of waiting til the heat of August.

We ran the carousel backwards in the AM as well, but due to 2 crashes in the first 10 minutes of the day, we were running short on time and everybody only got 2 cracks at it. Still super cool launching out of there backwards. Pistol grip definitely weird backwards, but I really have have no barometer there anyway yet.

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I loved the backwards Karussel and I also found the backwards pistol grip to be a bit strange, every time around it I kept making slight changes to my line to get it figured out but I just didn't get enough passes to get through it as clean as I would have liked.
Same!
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I'm going to try one of these this winter. Just to get the track car out and running, and clean the winter cobwebs.

FYI...if interested in HPDE/Track Days in Mid-A, this is a good reference:

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2892739
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launching out of there backwards.
Not my photo (or car), but relevant.


Probably the best TrackDaze event is VIR in November. On the 2nd day, you run the full Grand course.... then you can compare your times to the C/D Lightning Lap.

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Man that's a bummer! Did it pop at one of the events??


Do you do any HPDE stuff in that region? I'm much more likely to make hauls like that for full days.
It threw a random misfire code during my last run and started running really hot, a few weeks later I threw it on the dyno and it spun a rod bearing.

Once I get the car back I will be working my way up through the HPDE ranks until I can race Solo and I'll continue racing in the trackcross series as well. It is a lot of waiting for a little bit of driving but it's still a great time and I enjoy hanging out with the other drivers in grid and talking about how to get faster.
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I have a ton of laps on those tracks on a motorcycle but none in a car. Might have to check this out in the summer...in between race weekends of course.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:38 PM   #11
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I'm going to try one of these this winter. Just to get the track car out and running, and clean the winter cobwebs.

FYI...if interested in HPDE/Track Days in Mid-A, this is a good reference:

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2892739
Thanks for the tip on your thread. Subscribed!

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Not my photo (or car), but relevant.


Probably the best TrackDaze event is VIR in November. On the 2nd day, you run the full Grand course.... then you can compare your times to the C/D Lightning Lap.
YESSS!!! Good launching! I doubt my Caprice would get airborne, since it has probably 12" of suspension droop, but it'll be fun trying.

Full Grand at VIR would be sweet. I did 2 days last November at VIR on the regular full course. What a treat. Kind of a haul for me though, 7 hours each way with fingers crossed I don't blow the car up, as I drive it to every event.

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It threw a random misfire code during my last run and started running really hot, a few weeks later I threw it on the dyno and it spun a rod bearing.

Once I get the car back I will be working my way up through the HPDE ranks until I can race Solo and I'll continue racing in the trackcross series as well. It is a lot of waiting for a little bit of driving but it's still a great time and I enjoy hanging out with the other drivers in grid and talking about how to get faster.
Ah that stinks. Sorry to hear. What kinda mileage were you at on that motor? Big part of the reason I'm scared to do much tracking in my WRX, motors just seem so fragile....

Have you done many HPDE's? I can GUARANTEE you will be leagues faster at trackcross after running a full day of laps with an instructor on whatever particular circuit. It usually takes me 1-2 sessions to learn and get comfortable on a new track, lots of back to back laps to try different things and dial the line. Much tougher to do in the trackcross heats IMO. HPDE is a lot more fun for me too, as long as the car holds up, haha.

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I have a ton of laps on those tracks on a motorcycle but none in a car. Might have to check this out in the summer...in between race weekends of course.
I can't even imagine tracking a bike, especially on Shenandoah with how close the walls are. Great fun in a car though.
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Ah that stinks. Sorry to hear. What kinda mileage were you at on that motor? Big part of the reason I'm scared to do much tracking in my WRX, motors just seem so fragile....

Have you done many HPDE's? I can GUARANTEE you will be leagues faster at trackcross after running a full day of laps with an instructor on whatever particular circuit. It usually takes me 1-2 sessions to learn and get comfortable on a new track, lots of back to back laps to try different things and dial the line. Much tougher to do in the trackcross heats IMO. HPDE is a lot more fun for me too, as long as the car holds up, haha.
I haven't done any HPDE in the STI yet, I was supposed to do one at Hyperfest last year but I got sick the morning of and didn't want to puke in my helmet going around the track haha.

The car had 72K miles on it when it failed but I definitely put it through the ringer for almost 20K of those miles. Now it's got an IAG stage 2 shortblock, built valvetrain and rotated GTX3076R so I'm hoping to be in a whole other class when it gets back on the track. The strangest part was the cams and journals all looked brand new, the rest of the bearings looked flawless and the bearing that spun really didn't look horrible.
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I haven't done any HPDE in the STI yet, I was supposed to do one at Hyperfest last year but I got sick the morning of and didn't want to puke in my helmet going around the track haha.

The car had 72K miles on it when it failed but I definitely put it through the ringer for almost 20K of those miles. Now it's got an IAG stage 2 shortblock, built valvetrain and rotated GTX3076R so I'm hoping to be in a whole other class when it gets back on the track. The strangest part was the cams and journals all looked brand new, the rest of the bearings looked flawless and the bearing that spun really didn't look horrible.
I've never puked in a helmet, but agree it'd suck, haha.

A buddy was at VIR with me last November in his 50k mile STI, and he kept making jokes about how we all had to fiddle with our "old" cars between sessions, and he just could get in and drive. Joke was on him when he had a terminal cyl 3 ringland failure during the last session. I know motors don't last forever when hammered on, but still just too soon!


Hopefully yours holds up great after the rebuild and you have TONS of fun tracking it
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