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Old 08-09-2022, 07:44 PM   #126
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Meh, QA and QC is interchangeable when discussing the quality of a car that leaves the assembly plant. Doesn't matter the before or after, someone got a **** product and it will impact their experience with the brand.
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Old 08-09-2022, 11:07 PM   #127
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Smokingtire talked a lot about the warranty denial story, along with the GR86 cup car (which has an upgraded oil pan and baffle, would be interesting if it were sold separately)
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Old 08-09-2022, 11:38 PM   #128
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at least the wheels didn't fall off lol
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Old 08-09-2022, 11:42 PM   #129
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does subaru have people applying sealer by hand at the factory instead of robots like everyone else?

example at the beginning of the vid.

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Old 08-10-2022, 11:44 AM   #130
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This whole thing makes me worry about my Kia, which had part of the engine re-sealed.
There are gobs of sealant around the oil pan
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:11 PM   #131
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I generally detest RTV when I build an engine. When I was heavy into old Detroit V8's, I barely used a drop, while my fellow less mechanically inclined friends used it like ketchup on fries. Guess which leaked after 1 month. Know your application and know its environment. Appling a gasket is much like painting a car. It is about prep. It is about surface condition and cleanliness.

Most gaskets on old school V8's were installed dry. When I see gobs of RTV sticking out of an oil pan it tells me a job was rushed and they are hoping the viscosity of the RTV will make up for ****ty workmanship and technical skill in surface prep.

Oil pan gaskets do not need a drop of RTV. At most a very thin film of it can be used to 'glue' the gasket onto the pan for ease of installation.

VaporeOn, I wish you luck on your engine.
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:17 PM   #132
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does subaru have people applying sealer by hand at the factory instead of robots like everyone else?

example at the beginning of the vid.
It's robot applied, theory is it was improperly programmed or something. Either put too much and/or in wrong place.
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:34 PM   #133
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*Applies it fine the previous Gen, ****'s it up on the current Gen* lmao
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:48 PM   #134
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Oil pan gaskets do not need a drop of RTV. At most a very thin film of it can be used to 'glue' the gasket onto the pan for ease of installation.
Subarus haven't used physical gaskets since the EA engines in the 80s. Every one has been RTV on the EJ and the FA/FB motors.
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:54 PM   #135
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Subarus haven't used physical gaskets since the EA engines in the 80s. Every one has been RTV on the EJ and the FA/FB motors.
Interesting.. just RTV on the oil pan. Seems like a terrible idea.
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Old 08-10-2022, 01:10 PM   #136
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Interesting.. just RTV on the oil pan. Seems like a terrible idea.
very few modern engines use gaskets on things like oil pans and timing covers.
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Old 08-10-2022, 01:39 PM   #137
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Interesting.. just RTV on the oil pan. Seems like a terrible idea.
They don't leak very often, not like the old cork gaskets for sure. But yes they are a mess to work on.

IAG oil pans use a custom rubber gasket ao there is that.
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Old 08-10-2022, 06:09 PM   #138
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I generally detest RTV when I build an engine. When I was heavy into old Detroit V8's, I barely used a drop, while my fellow less mechanically inclined friends used it like ketchup on fries. Guess which leaked after 1 month. Know your application and know its environment. Appling a gasket is much like painting a car. It is about prep. It is about surface condition and cleanliness.

Most gaskets on old school V8's were installed dry. When I see gobs of RTV sticking out of an oil pan it tells me a job was rushed and they are hoping the viscosity of the RTV will make up for ****ty workmanship and technical skill in surface prep.

Oil pan gaskets do not need a drop of RTV. At most a very thin film of it can be used to 'glue' the gasket onto the pan for ease of installation.

VaporeOn, I wish you luck on your engine.

Oh man. And it sucks. I've watched out techs cleaning that stuff off. Glad that's not my job.
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Old 09-08-2022, 08:40 PM   #139
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Title says it all really: Toyota stuffed the 1.6T from the GRYaris/GRCorolla into some GR86 models as a test bed for race cars.

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Toyota Built a Handful of GR86s With Turbo GR Corolla Engines
They're testbeds for future race cars and synthetic fuels, not production cars.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...orolla-engine/
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:14 PM   #140
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but also:
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When asked by CarSales whether this engine could make it to production, Gazoo Racing chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto said: "Yes, we are thinking for the future about the possibility of using it, but there are no concrete plans at the moment. "
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:57 PM   #141
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Base model, steel-wheel'd, 3cyl-turbo, 4:44:1 final GR86 plz.
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Old 09-08-2022, 10:02 PM   #142
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Title says it all really: Toyota stuffed the 1.6T from the GRYaris/GRCorolla into some GR86 models as a test bed for race cars.



https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...orolla-engine/
Read this a few days ago and didn’t bump because race car and no confirmation about production or not.

but if you think about it, the 4 banger Supra don’t sell well. Wouldn’t it be better to put the G16 in the Twins and rock and roll? The inline 3 turbo is compact and not bulky like the 2 headed boxer motor. I mean the damn thing couldn’t weigh that much more in G16 trim. 100 lbs, at worst? Still would be 3k or under and that’d be a big F U to the Cayman and Porsche for half. Say it’s 40k, good look getting something else on the market like this for that kind of money. 300 HP, turbo, 3k lbs, rear diff, 6MT. ****.
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I figured the 2.4 would have put the crying about turbo mostly to bed but the G16.. I mean that just makes sense.

Info I found has the complete G16 engine weight with turbo at 240lb. FA20 from first gen I think was like 140lb heavier than that, FA24 would be about the same. Hey they listened to us before, ha
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Old 09-08-2022, 11:43 PM   #144
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Old 09-09-2022, 01:41 AM   #145
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So, crate motor kit please? The 2.4 feels great in this car, not knocking it at all, but a G16 swap in a few years would be great.
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Old 09-10-2022, 09:55 PM   #146
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Default Motor Trend guess same as Road Track Article

Toyota Finally Turbocharges the GR86 Sports Car, But There's a Big Catch

Toyota built a few 86s with GR Corolla-derived turbo three-cylinder engines.

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nyone familiar with the saga of the 86 twins—whether they be known as the Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ, 86, or (now) GR86—will know all about the chorus of calls from enthusiasts: turbocharge it! Toyota, stubbornly (and with good reason, whether you agree or not) has refused to slap a turbo on the sports car's flat-four engine. It bumped displacement and power in the latest, second-generation GR86, but it's clear nothing short of a boosted motor will satisfy the turbofans. So, it is with both excitement and regret that we bring you news that Toyota has actually built a turbocharged GR86. There are, as you might imagine, a number of caveats.

Toyota has indeed built a small number of turbocharged 86s. Even wilder, the cars ditch their naturally aspirated, Subaru-sourced 2.4-liter flat-four for the turbocharged I-3 from the new GR Corolla. That 1.6-liter engine is a wee beast, a "relentless" and torquey companion in the GR Yaris and (soon) our GR Corolla, where it makes 300 hp and up to 295 lb-ft of torque—well north of the 2.4-liter GR86's 228 hp and 184 lb-ft. It is also light, and power-dense, as turbocharged motors tend to be.

What on Earth is Toyota up to with this unconventional configuration? Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be testing a consumer I-3-powered GR86. Toyota will use the cars in the Japanese Super Taikyu racing series, mainly as an excuse to test and develop carbon neutral fuels. It's using its own I-3, rather than Subaru's H-4, as it wants to validate the fuels for its own engines and ancillaries, according to the report.

CarSales asked the obvious question next: If the engine works in the 86 in a motorsport setting, could the company offer the GR86 with the I-3 to consumers down the road? According to the report, Gazoo Racing's chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto admitted the company is seriously considering it, but does not have any "concrete plans" to produce a turbocharged GR86—yet.

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Stuffing the GR's I-3 into the 86 would almost certainly involve an internal philosophical battle with 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada, who is quite adamant about maintaining a certain balance between handling and power characteristics. Up to this point, he's gotten his wish: the 86 and its cousins have remained affordable rear-drive coupes with modest power, excellent handling, and the directness that only a naturally aspirated engine can provide, even with the latest generation's decent power bump.

Perhaps the homegrown, thrilling GR 1.6-liter I-3 might change his mind. Let's hope Sakamoto gets Tada into one of his Frankenstein GR86s soon and puts a big enough smile on Tada's face to win him over. Until then, this remains a tantalizing but frustrating footnote in the long turbocharged 86 saga.
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Old 10-08-2022, 12:45 AM   #147
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I posted this R&T article in the BRZ thread but didn't realize the issue was already being discussed here. Anyway, here we go.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...pickup-update/
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Old 10-08-2022, 12:46 AM   #148
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I posted this R&T article in the BRZ thread but didn't realize the issue was already being discussed here. Anyway, here we go.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...pickup-update/
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Oh how this reminds me of my Ford product. They had not designed the head properly (and honestly the choices they made with the engine block are perma-bad) and rushed the RS out the door. When enough of them had coolant escaping and f’ing the motors up they caved, spent money to design the HG properly, then passed it off as a kind of TSB instead of a full on recall

The same will happen here. The more this goes on the more both companies will be forced to deal with it and issue a TSB, recall, whatever they want to call it. And at the same time fix all future production. It’s a bad miss that many are carsplaining away and it’s bs.
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