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Old 10-24-2022, 11:32 PM   #1
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OMGHi2U SUV's and Trucks are killing children




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New Proposed Legislation Highlights Dangerous Front Blind Zones

Consumer Reports supports a bill that could improve safety technology aimed at protecting children from big trucks

By Benjamin Preston
October 24, 2022

Recent evaluations by Consumer Reports showed that ever-popular pickup trucks and large SUVs have grown in size over the past couple of decades. And their growing stature has led to a big problem: a huge blind zone in front of the grille where children and other pedestrians aren't detectable to the driver. Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) plans to introduce the STOP Frontovers Act today. It aims to address the risk of "frontover" injuries-the type where pedestrians, particularly children, can be injured or killed by slow moving trucks because the driver cannot see directly in front of the vehicle.

"Drivers not only should know what is behind their car, but also what is in front and possibly hidden from view," says Oriene Shin, CR's policy counsel for safety policy. "This bill takes a step in the right direction by requiring that vehicles, especially larger trucks and SUVs, have the technology to alert the driver or provide additional forward views when there is an object in front of the vehicle to help to prevent these ***8216;frontover' accidents. ***8203;***8203;Every member of Congress should support and work to pass the STOP Frontovers Act, and help keep people, especially children, safe."

Full-sized pickup trucks-which are the most popular models on the market-can have a blind zone 11 feet longer than a car, and 7 feet longer than an SUV, Consumer Reports has found. Because of that, drivers may be more likely to hit pedestrians, cyclists, and smaller vehicles they cannot see. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced earlier this year that it would investigate frontover accidents, and Senator Blumenthal's bill is another step toward requiring automakers to address the front blind zone issue in larger vehicles. If it passes, it will instruct NHTSA to develop requirements to help drivers detect objects or people in areas ahead of the vehicle they cannot see.

Jen Stockburger, director of operations at CR's Auto Test Center, points out that the technology for providing additional visibility directly ahead of a vehicle may already be available in the form of front-view or surround-view cameras, even for truck and SUV models that don't yet offer a safety-oriented version. Several pickups and SUVs, for example, are available with front-mounted trail cameras that enable the driver to see over obstacles when the truck is cresting a steep hill. And with backup cameras standard in new vehicles, the screen needed to see what's in the rear blind spot is already in place.

The additional cameras, typically marketed for convenience, or as parking assist systems rather than for safety, would place more importance on their role as safety features.

"When backup cameras were added, it was a bigger step because manufacturers had to work new technology and screens into every car," says Stockburger. "Additional cameras and, in some cases, sensors for protection against frontovers may prove to be less of a hurdle for automakers because the screen, and in many cases, the cameras or sensors, may already be there."

If the bill passes, NHTSA will be required to develop and propose a new federal safety standard that would address frontover accidents. As the agency works through this process, automakers, safety groups, and members of the public will have an opportunity to weigh in during a comment period before the rule is finalized. Until that happens, there are few specific details concerning how the systems would work, or what technologies would be required.

But even if frontover detection systems become required in new vehicles soon, Stockburger says there will still be a lot of existing big trucks and SUVs already on the road without the technology.

"People driving those larger vehicles need to take extra care that there are no children in front of them before they proceed," she says. "Walking around the vehicle, making sure that young children can't follow you out when you're departing, or assuring any nearby children are in your line-of-sight are good habits to establish, especially in areas where children are around or play."

Outside of driveways and parking lots, drivers of these vehicles must also take more care when turning, when approaching crosswalks and stop signs, and when driving in areas populated with pedestrians and cyclists.
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These deaths have more than doubled from 251 in 2008 to 526 in 2020, according to data from the Department of Transportation.



Where is BAN SUV's when you need him?

How about we design the front ends of these things properly for visibility?
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Old 10-25-2022, 12:41 AM   #2
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The sensors don't always work either. Kids gotta die for freedom.
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Larger and heavier as we transition to EV versions. Pretty soon your average American clown will be driving a got damn bus.
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not a big deal, there's a simple solution already available.



govt mandates of sensors and whatnot, simple, elegant solution.
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that and mandate that any vehicle that has physical dimensions over a certain size requires a commercial drivers license to own, insure and operate.
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I think the new hummer required some additional lights or something since it's over 4 1/2 tons.

I just expect people to hit me so I'm always prepared but then I'm riding a 225lb motorcycle a couple days a week.
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I think the new hummer required some additional lights or something since it's over 4 1/2 tons.

I just expect people to hit me so I'm always prepared but then I'm riding a 225lb motorcycle a couple days a week.
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Old 10-25-2022, 01:37 PM   #8
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I think the new hummer required some additional lights or something since it's over 4 1/2 tons.
I think thats a width thing. The Raptor, TRX, etc. have them too.
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concur, it is a width thing
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just to be clear, typical fake news article.

SUV's and Trucks are not killing a single person. The drivers are. Inanimate objects are inanimate.
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just to be clear, typical fake news article.

SUV's and Trucks are not killing a single person. The drivers are. Inanimate objects are inanimate.
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SUV's and Trucks are not killing a single person. The drivers are. Inanimate objects are inanimate.
This, in the interview the driver admitted to being careless "he got out of the SUV to get the mail, like he did every day" and then the mother ran him over because she started moving her full size SUV without knowing where he was, I'm guessing he was 5-7 years old by looking at him; I mean it's tragic, but it appears she also didn't even feel/hear running him over; that one is on her being an inattentive driver & parent. I'm not even going to talk about the asinine "example" NBC showed.

As to the "feel good" law Blumenthal is pushing for, "cameras, sensors, or some other device" Just about every new vehicle, if not every new vehicle sold in the US comes with at a minimum forward collision sensors; front cameras are getting more popular as well, top-down 3D views, semi-autonomous driving etc. have become more common.

I agree trucks & SUV's have gotten massive, but in this case at least, it's clearly her fault. Maybe we do need tests/certifications for driving larger vehicles; there isn't a whole lot of room between the underside of that hood and the top of the engine to lower the hood, nor is there ANY available room to shorten the hood without impacting crash safety.

The Lightning EV didn't need to keep the same proportions as the ICE F150 did, but I understand why Ford did it (money & image); standalone EV's will be better as they don't need as much overhang, and typically aren't as restricted as their ICE counterparts with hood/grill overall height.

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Average people are ****ing ****ty at operating complex machines.

Walking my kids through neighborhoods and parking lots is one of the most stressful things I get put through on a daily basis. My wife doesn't understand my anxiety.
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Average people are ****ing ****ty at operating complex machines.

Walking my kids through neighborhoods and parking lots is one of the most stressful things I get put through on a daily basis. My wife doesn't understand my anxiety.
I bought a bright red car, partly because I like bright colors, but also partly because people are ****ing stupid and I hated when they would nearly merge into me changing lanes, or at a four way when they would almost t-bone me when they "Connecticut-roll" the stop sign (it's like a California roll, but at whatever the posted speed limit is) because my silver car blended in with static constantly playing in their brains; turns out, even bright ****ing red blends in with the static too; time for a cat back and an air-horn.
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17000 people a year die from Tripping/Falling, Think its time to ban walking and running too lol
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The sensors don't always work either. Kids gotta die for freedom.
I know a guy that ran over and killed a toddler while backing out of a driveway with his full size truck. Not only is a life lost but he's gone into deep depression. It's no joke and not something to make light of as incidents like this are more common than you think.
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Meh, whatever. Truthfully don't care or don't care if passes. Will it solve some fatalities? Sure. Will it not matter to others? Sure.

I like my front camera from a parking perspective. Bill isn't a big enough gripe or want for me to give any ****s.
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Walking my kids through neighborhoods and parking lots is one of the most stressful things I get put through on a daily basis. My wife doesn't understand my anxiety.
I think a lot of this is a problem caused by manufacturing a culture that makes cars the only option, and then taking it to a length that any other method of moving around is sharing space that belongs to cars.

head over to most European countries and they have spent the last 50 years deciding that cars should not be the primary method of transit, but another vector of transit that actually has to defer to all other methods.
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I know a guy that ran over and killed a toddler while backing out of a driveway with his full size truck. Not only is a life lost but he's gone into deep depression. It's no joke and not something to make light of as incidents like this are more common than you think.
You can't have freedom without death and deep depression.
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I think a lot of this is a problem caused by manufacturing a culture that makes cars the only option, and then taking it to a length that any other method of moving around is sharing space that belongs to cars.

head over to most European countries and they have spent the last 50 years deciding that cars should not be the primary method of transit, but another vector of transit that actually has to defer to all other methods.
Europe was developed way before cars ever existed. They already had infrastructure in place to move people around without cars. The US, not so much. Some older east coast cities have pretty good transit systems but as you get further west it's clear that development took place almost entirely around the automobile. Retrofitting in other solutions is not easy, and definitely not cheap.
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Europe was developed way before cars ever existed. They already had infrastructure in place to move people around without cars. The US, not so much. Some older east coast cities have pretty good transit systems but as you get further west it's clear that development took place almost entirely around the automobile. Retrofitting in other solutions is not easy, and definitely not cheap.
that's surely true, but WWII wiped the slate clean in a pretty bad way. from WWII and up to the 70s part of the rebuilding process was to remove the bombed out shells of towns that existed pre-cars and rebuild with the image of cars as the future.

it was the energy crisis of the 70s, and also car fatalities at the same time that made them rethink their burgeoning reliance on cars and go in a different direction.

yep, it won't be cheap, and it'll take decades (they started this transition in the 70s in Europe, and still are working on fixing it), but there are a lot of gains to be made by creating an infrastructure that prioritizes other methods of transit than just single occupant vehicles, there is no less efficient method of transit, and therefore there is no worse way to pollute the environment than to continue to use single occupant vehicles, and certainly huge honking trucks and SUVs.

anyway, it's getting too serious up in here:

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One day, all this reliance on Tech is going to greatly diminish how well we teach the young to drive lol
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You can't have freedom without death and deep depression.
I'm sure Darwin would approve of inattentive parents running over their children with oversized, wasteful vehicles

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One day, all this reliance on Tech is going to greatly diminish how well we teach the young to drive lol
How many know/learn how to ride a horse anymore?
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How many know/learn how to ride a horse anymore?
We are currently in the transition phase between humans driving and autonomous/letting the tech take over - the tech isn't there yet, some people aren't ready to let it happen yet, but what is worse, is the amount of people that are ready to let the inadequate tech take over for them (they almost exclusively drive Teslas from what I've experienced), and then there are the inattentive drivers who have and always will plague the roadways (until autonomous driving is reliable & mandated, even then I'm not 100% certain).

Our 2022 Sorento has lane keep, lane follow & adaptive cruise - inconsistent shoulder lines (aka poorly maintained roadways) screw with the lane keep and lane follow functions, such that it shimmies left and right as it tries to process the information fed to it from the cameras, and that's not even considering road construction and other pavement/line imperfections; the tech isn't there yet to completely take over - I'll use it on road trips to assist with potential fatigue issues, but for anything under ~200 miles/4hrs I'll turn it off as it's more of a hinderance than a help on New England s***y roads; don't get me started on NY roads; holy f***.

Specifically to the horse riding comment, they are no longer commonplace & are prohibitively expensive for most people; my father knows how to work draft horses, I know how to ride, but I haven't been in a saddle in ~15 years, I haven't been on a bike (motorcycle) in 9 years (for my kids mainly, but also dangerous/distracted drivers); I mostly ride an office chair, hell I barely drive anymore (5-6k miles per year, usually at a 10mi/day clip) and I can tell I'm getting rusty by my standards, or at least less confident; a freaking Acura RDX almost kept up with me in the twisties the other day on my favorite backroad, shameful/humbling moment for me.

Yeah horses haven't been a mode of transport outside of Amish country in decades and autonomy is coming, but the tech is not there yet.

Hell the schools don't want to teach cursive anymore, and most schools when I was growing up didn't teach financial planning; not to mention the lack-luster/nonexistent sex-ed programs in, lets say "more religious" portions of the country.

That took a turn; I'll sum it up by saying it never hurts to have knowledge, but it almost always hurts to lack knowledge.

When we sold our 6mt Corolla to Carvana, the driver didn't know how to drive stick so I had to put it on the flatbed for her; in my mind, the ability to drive stick, especially when you know ahead of time that you have to drive stick, is a required skill to me; that's like opening a bakery and deli, but not knowing how to either bake or assemble sandwich.
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