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01-17-2020, 08:15 PM | #326 | |
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01-17-2020, 08:38 PM | #327 |
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01-19-2020, 01:57 PM | #328 |
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Disappointed to hear Subaru won't be at Geneva motor show. Thought they would launch the new levorg...
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01-20-2020, 01:36 PM | #329 | |
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But, there are some (extremely few) MY2019 V60 with AWD left on lots. Otherwise, Volvo aside, MB has plenty of E450 Wagon on lots and it's probably a better buy than MY2019 V60 T6 AWD, IMO. |
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01-20-2020, 05:05 PM | #330 |
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01-20-2020, 05:28 PM | #331 |
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01-21-2020, 08:12 AM | #332 |
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If the Buick had more cylinders and a better AWD system I'd want one, but "FWD+" and a turbo 4 in that Bournemouth is no bueno; GS model would have made it more appealing.
Admittedly though, I bet the levorg is a bit of a porker too (considering all cars are now) does anyone have an official curb weight for it? I spent 45 whole seconds scouring wikipedia and came up with nothing. |
01-21-2020, 08:14 AM | #333 |
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^^ Can't be much more than a WRX, can it?
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01-21-2020, 12:52 PM | #335 | |
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01-21-2020, 12:54 PM | #336 |
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Latest top spec Levorg GT-S is 3580 lbs. Exactly what my BL GT is listed at.
Buick Regal TourX top spec is 3850 lbs. |
01-21-2020, 12:55 PM | #337 |
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No idea - not sure if it will gain weight when it goes to the SGP, it will probably only gain 50lbs+/- by going wagon, a penalty I don't have a problem paying; however the current WRX is 3,300-3,500, I assume the Levorg would be 3,400lbs for the base model, 3,600lbs for the limited/loaded trim, but it could be more based on the platform and which way they want to take it (more luxury = more weight).
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01-21-2020, 04:37 PM | #339 | |
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I looked at the TourX when looking at the Alltrack-S as my next daily to replace my 04 GTI. The biggest flaw I saw in the Buick was the badge; meaning, no aftermarket support to improve where the factory left off, and little to no community to support. I also didn't like the interior of the low and mid trims, and in order to get the good seats, you had to get the highest trim with a bunch of other non-essential stuff. Despite crazy money off, I dismissed the TourX as my next car, despite it being a true Euro Wagon. The lack of a manual didn't help the cause either. I could get three pedals in the VW, despite them being in very short supply; but no 3-pedal option in the Buick. Sad, the TourX has sooo much potential, but in the end, is let down by the badge on the hood. I'm pretty sure the 260 turbo 4 could get tuned, but at what cost? |
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01-21-2020, 04:43 PM | #340 |
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AFAIK the Buick has the Camaro 4 banger. Which has been tuned out pretty healthily. Far past what I'd consider acceptable with the driveline limitations of the Buick. They had to cut corners somewhere to offer so much for so little money (price out an Outback XT for comparison). Problem is the Buick just weighs too much to be anything other than a straight line mash and go car. 300 lbs over a Levorg is a huge difference not even taking into account the difference in suspension tune.
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01-21-2020, 05:05 PM | #341 | |
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That being said, most of the wagons I'm looking at are heavy, the 2019+ Volvo V60 is 4,000 lbs minimum, 2019+MB E450 is 4,250 lbs minimum. So, IMO, TourX at 3,850 lbs is lightweight and Levorg is featherweight . |
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Yup, it was night and day going from my Legacy to the Buick and back. But I said the same about the Polestar V60 a while back. Something just feels right about the old Subaru that's not being matched in today's larger and heavier vehicles. The Levorg is sub-mid sized which is about max for a decent turner. Anything bigger usually has a 6 or 8 cylinder which seems to muck up the chassis in anything close to this price point.
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01-21-2020, 09:51 PM | #343 | |
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But, frankly, waiting for Subaru and Levorg could literally be a never ending game. I have bought and paid off a whole new car since July 2015 and we're still not anywhere close to have a low riding performance 5-door vehicle from Subaru, let alone something we can call wagon. My patience is wearing thin at this point. |
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01-21-2020, 10:55 PM | #344 |
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RS6 is 5000000 lbs. ****able, but doable?
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01-22-2020, 03:59 AM | #345 |
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Interesting comments on the TourX drivetrain. When I drove one it felt worlds better than the Subaru CVT. How could you look at the turbo 4 fwd+ CVT in the outback and feel it was better than the Buick?
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01-22-2020, 12:06 PM | #346 | |
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Maybe I'll test drive an OBXT while I leave my 06 WRX Wagon for its second airbag replacement... But, more seriously, the TourX had an Aisin 8-speed and a GKN Twinster torque vectoring RDU and Outback XT has none of this except a rear open diff, selective braking and HTCVT. But, I'm guessing the drivetrain comments were more about Levorg/WRX AWD vs TourX AWD. |
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01-22-2020, 12:11 PM | #347 |
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Nobody said Outback XT was better or worth it. They weigh about the same and the Buick is cheaper. Engine is more tunable and the trans can handle more power because Subaru CVT sucks in general and sucks specifically the more load you throw at it.
The Levorg weighs around 300 lbs less and has VTD, so I'd Levorg before I'd Buick. But the Outback is a distant third for all the reasons above and no VTD. |
01-22-2020, 12:13 PM | #348 |
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And the Outback is terribly over run by Joker face and ass.
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01-22-2020, 12:13 PM | #349 |
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And Levorg...
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01-22-2020, 12:39 PM | #350 | |
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