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12-17-2012, 01:27 PM | #1 | |
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2013 Lincoln MKZ, just how important are tires?
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Awesome.
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12-17-2012, 01:32 PM | #2 |
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I do rather like what I've seen of the Michelin Pilot Super Sports tires.
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12-17-2012, 01:49 PM | #3 |
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That front end just doesn't do it for me, but I love my PSS quite a bit.
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12-17-2012, 01:51 PM | #4 |
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I just put some Michelin Super Sports on my BRZ, feels like different car now,
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12-17-2012, 01:57 PM | #5 |
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Way to rig the test guys!
nothing like selling the perception of performance. I want Chevy to sell the new Spark with R comps and see what happens. |
12-17-2012, 01:58 PM | #6 |
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I find it hard to believe (if not stretching the truth?) that the MKZ is faster than the M5 and one second slower from a 911. All from a tire change?
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12-17-2012, 02:22 PM | #7 | |
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On the other hand, note that Michelin flew the writers to Dubai and had them do hot laps in Porsches and Audis. Everyone has their price, and I suspect that this royal treatment is above most peoples' threshold for being bought. |
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12-17-2012, 03:36 PM | #8 |
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Should have gone with PS2's.
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12-17-2012, 03:40 PM | #9 | |
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the MKZ had Michelin PSS, and the other cars had Primewell Roadhandlers on them |
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12-17-2012, 04:16 PM | #10 | |
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It will roll a ton, and feel like ****, but there's no reason it can't snake it's was through a decent slalom, or hang on to a skidpad... |
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12-28-2012, 11:07 PM | #11 |
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yeah, those tires were probably reduced to piles of smoldering rubber after a couple of slalom runs.
video clip please for a good chuckle |
12-29-2012, 12:35 PM | #12 |
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They could start by designing their own cars rather than taking a Ford and badge engineering it. They didn't learn from history - that's what killed Mercury and few of the GM satellites too.
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12-29-2012, 08:21 PM | #13 |
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12-29-2012, 11:07 PM | #14 |
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I'm actually kind of happy to see Lincoln at least trying.
Even if it's probably just Ford. |
12-30-2012, 10:06 AM | #15 |
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I am actually hoping for GREAT things form Ford/Lincoln. I heard Ford invested 2 billion in Lincoln to revamp it. I am looking forward to seeing what that kind of commitment to producing the best of the best ford can make will produce.
REX8 that is not really the same thing. It is perfectly okay to write about the performance of a car with ****ty OEM tires if they are sold with the same kind of tires. No fraud there, but to market a car based on performance figures that the car you buy can NEVER achieve as purchased is fraudulent. Now if they clearly state it had high performance tires that are NOT available from the dealer when new, then all is well. But it does not appear that was the case. |
12-30-2012, 11:55 AM | #16 | |
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And even if they did, it would be perfectly fine, so long as they noted the tires. So long as the tests publish the tires on the car (which they normally do), I don't see anything morally wrong with it either. As REX8 says, everyone wants cars tested on equal tires. That would involve a tire change too. So long as the tester lists the tires on the car, I don't see what the big deal is really. As far as "not being available", I assure you...any deal will order whatever tires you want and toss them on the car for you (at a price), with their warranty intact. So don't act like a consumer couldn't leave the dealer with the identical car. They absolutely could. There's VERY little difference between checking a box on a factory order sheet, and generically ordering the tires through the dealer and having them installed before pickup. Practically speaking, there is no difference. |
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12-30-2012, 12:47 PM | #17 | |
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Like they say, if your not cheating, your not trying hard enough. Lincoln got caught, but others haven't. Other manufacturers probably put better tune, lighter suspension... etc. never know until they get caught. |
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12-30-2012, 03:10 PM | #18 | |
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But tires, so long as their not scratching off the sidewall labels for the tests? Meh, I can't exactly say I'm against it. |
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12-30-2012, 05:57 PM | #19 |
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Imagine uproar if the BRZ was on cheater tires but then delivered with 'prius' tires?
Thats what Lincoln is doing. Shooting themselves in their own foot. |
12-30-2012, 07:06 PM | #20 |
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I suppose it is a positive statement about the Lincoln chassis that it was able to pull such impressive numbers, even when accounting for the choice of tires. (After all, the Fusion has a pretty good chassis.) But I think they overdid it by going with such extreme performance tires. If they had gone with something a bit more reasonable and produced results that did not beat the M5 but still came very close, then I think it would've worked far better as an advertisement.
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12-30-2012, 08:17 PM | #21 | |
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Print what tires were on the car during the test, that way no one is uninformed. If a BRZ owner wants them, the dealer can order and install anything for the owner prior to pickup. |
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12-30-2012, 08:31 PM | #22 |
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Who decided to slip on the high perf rubber on the tester? Marketing guys trying to cover for subpar engineering/execution. Engineers embarrassed that their suspension setup sucks or vehicle weight got out of hand.
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12-31-2012, 12:48 AM | #23 |
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But what if Edmunds didn't inspect the tires as closely as they did? Then there would have been an Edmunds article praising the MKZ's unexpected performance that put its handling up there with some big names while the spec sheet would list the OEM tires, which would have made it seem like that was the kind of handling you'd expect from an off-the-showroom-floor MKZ, which is probably what Lincoln was hoping for. They admitted to doing it to all MKZs bound for West Coast publications, yet we haven't read a lot of reviews pointing out the tires. Perhaps others weren't as observational.
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12-31-2012, 01:15 AM | #24 | |
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The Pilot Super Sports I put on my Boss were a drastic improvement over the stock Pirelli P-Zeros. Any comparison between my Boss and one on OEM tires is a foregone conclusion... All Ford has done with this stunt is create a Michelin commercial. I'm sure Michelin isn't complaining. |
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12-31-2012, 07:11 AM | #25 |
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Dealer install of pss would add $5k to car price.
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