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Old 09-25-2003, 12:04 AM   #1
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Default Ever wonder why Mfr.'s are so hardcore about their warranties and upgrades?

I just caught this over at ABCNews.com; http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/U...res030924.html

This is a shining example as to why manufacturers do not allow nor endorse modification of their vehicles in anyway.

Sorry to hear about this dude and his Sunbeam (a nice car) but his daughter suing the tire manufacturer is just plain asinine.

Read it and weep...

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Old 09-25-2003, 12:18 AM   #2
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That is just common sense, sucks he had brain damage, but no one ever told me that tires got bad over time, I just assumed they did due to the fact they are made of processed natural parts. Everything made in nature goes bad with age.
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Old 09-25-2003, 12:22 AM   #3
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And he's supposed to be an "auto enthusiast" too.

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Old 09-25-2003, 01:02 AM   #4
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about the manufacture date stamped into the tire...

"It's not easy for consumers to determine the age of a tire. It requires the ability to decipher the last three digits of the Department of Transportation number molded into the tire.

The first two digits correspond to the week of the year the tire was made and the third digit corresponds to the last digit in the year it was made. For example, a DOT number ending in 238 would have been produced in the 23rd week of 1998."


...How would you know that's not the 23rd week of 1988, or 1978??
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Old 09-25-2003, 02:18 AM   #5
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about the manufacture date stamped into the tire...

"It's not easy for consumers to determine the age of a tire. It requires the ability to decipher the last three digits of the Department of Transportation number molded into the tire.

The first two digits correspond to the week of the year the tire was made and the third digit corresponds to the last digit in the year it was made. For example, a DOT number ending in 238 would have been produced in the 23rd week of 1998."


...How would you know that's not the 23rd week of 1988, or 1978??
That would be easy.
I'd use the relative 'decade' that I bought the tire as a clue.

Dude knew he bought those tires ten years ago, back when we suffered through the first of the Bush duo. Hell not even shoe leather will hold up well to ten years of aging without special care. I don't need a sell by date or a DOT numbering system decoderto know I need to change my tires after a decade.
One would think this is a no brainer.

I feel bad for the old codger though as his Sunbeam was/is rare and fast (they had Ford 302 HiPo engines!). A Sunbeam was featured and later destroyed in the Schwarzennegger flick 'Commando' as driven by co-star Rae Dawn Chong.

Anyway, worst stuff is happening with people installing 20"+ rims on SUV's that stock are under braked. They wonder why it takes 500 ft. to stop their Hummer H2 from 70 mph.

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Old 09-25-2003, 04:03 AM   #6
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That would be easy.
I'd use the relative 'decade' that I bought the tire as a clue.

Dude knew he bought those tires ten years ago, back when we suffered through the first of the Bush duo. Hell not even shoe leather will hold up well to ten years of aging without special care. I don't need a sell by date or a DOT numbering system decoderto know I need to change my tires after a decade.
One would think this is a no brainer.

I feel bad for the old codger though as his Sunbeam was/is rare and fast (they had Ford 302 HiPo engines!). A Sunbeam was featured and later destroyed in the Schwarzennegger flick 'Commando' as driven by co-star Rae Dawn Chong.

Anyway, worst stuff is happening with people installing 20"+ rims on SUV's that stock are under braked. They wonder why it takes 500 ft. to stop their Hummer H2 from 70 mph.

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Old 09-25-2003, 08:21 AM   #7
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Unfortunatley, I learned this lesson the hard way on a motorcycle in 1998. I had a 1978 Moto Guzzi LeMans III I had purchased used from a guy in VA. The tires on the bike appeared to be in good shape, and the seller told me they were less then three years old. I went thru the bike after I bought it, repainted it, etc. I was riding it one morning to work, going around a corner when the handlebars started slapping the tank. I looked down and saw my front tire was going flat, so I started looking for a place to put it down. As I was doing this, I lost control of the bike (tire went totally flat), crossed the double yellow and hit an oncoming car at about 60 mph head on. After I got out of the hospital six months later and had an opportunity to look over what remined of the bike, I saw that the front tire had dryrot on the very inside edges where the tire and rim meet. The tire went flat at a crack in the dry-rot. Im pretty anal about tires these days, but that wont get the titanium out of both of my legs or the feeling back in my left foot.
Its owner responsibility to check on the condition of their tires, but its also the responsiblity of tire manufacturers to tell the consumer that tires should changed after a certain amount of time, regardless of tread wear. I check my customers tires very carefully, and have changed quite a few tires with lots of tread, but dryrot on edges. the RE-92's that come stock on WRX's are famous for dry-rotting pretty quick.
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Old 09-25-2003, 11:44 AM   #8
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Original Tigers had the Ford 260 V-8, the and then the 289.
Oops.

Thats what I meant, 289 HiPo...not 302.
Thanks for the correction.

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Old 09-25-2003, 12:13 PM   #9
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Unfortunatley, I learned this lesson the hard way on a motorcycle in 1998. I had a 1978 Moto Guzzi LeMans III I had purchased used from a guy in VA. The tires on the bike appeared to be in good shape, and the seller told me they were less then three years old. I went thru the bike after I bought it, repainted it, etc. I was riding it one morning to work, going around a corner when the handlebars started slapping the tank. I looked down and saw my front tire was going flat, so I started looking for a place to put it down. As I was doing this, I lost control of the bike (tire went totally flat), crossed the double yellow and hit an oncoming car at about 60 mph head on. After I got out of the hospital six months later and had an opportunity to look over what remined of the bike, I saw that the front tire had dryrot on the very inside edges where the tire and rim meet. The tire went flat at a crack in the dry-rot. Im pretty anal about tires these days, but that wont get the titanium out of both of my legs or the feeling back in my left foot.
Its owner responsibility to check on the condition of their tires, but its also the responsiblity of tire manufacturers to tell the consumer that tires should changed after a certain amount of time, regardless of tread wear. I check my customers tires very carefully, and have changed quite a few tires with lots of tread, but dryrot on edges. the RE-92's that come stock on WRX's are famous for dry-rotting pretty quick.
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Damn Todd...I'm really sorry to hear about this.
Horrible story.

I've been changing my tires out regardless of mileage or appearance/visual condition on every car I've ever owned, even the tire & inner tubes on my bicycles if they last that long.

I guess what I'd been taking it for granted what I thought was common practice toward maint.

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Old 09-25-2003, 12:48 PM   #10
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From the Article...

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Cartus, 54, says no one told him about the hazard old tires could pose to motorists. "I now know that they deteriorate with age. That information was not given to me. It was not made available," he said.
Which translates to......

"Im going to play stupid so I can sue the tire manufacture for millions"
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and what is wrong with that?!

it is only the American way...sigh...


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Which translates to......

"Im going to play stupid so I can sue the tire manufacture for millions"
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Old 09-27-2003, 01:51 AM   #12
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Oops.

Thats what I meant, 289 HiPo...not 302.
Thanks for the correction.

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Yeah, IIRC, the 221 was Ford's first thinwall casting for a 'modern'(not 'Y' block) V-8 from which we got the 260's and the 289's...I had a 66FB 289 4-speed. I learned how to DRIVE in that car...LOL
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and what is wrong with that?!

it is only the American way...sigh...


Nothing I'd do the same thing, its free money.
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