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Old 08-22-2019, 07:59 AM   #1
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With four newly redesigned utility vehicles hitting the road so far in 2019, Ford is so far staying true to its 2018 promise to offer an electrified powertrain option in every new SUV going forward. Hot on the heels of its more mainstream Ford sibling, the Explorer, the 2020 Lincoln Aviator is also offered with the new modular hybrid transmission (MHT) system. Unlike the Ford, Lincolnís offering has a substantially larger battery and a plug in its Grand Touring trim level.




The very fact that Lincoln has opted to badge the electrified Aviator as Grand Touring rather then hybrid, plug-in hybrid or some other branding that evoques green credentials should tell us something about this vehicle. This is not the Lincoln for hypermilers but is in fact the new hot rod Lincoln.

With a combined output of 494-hp and 630 lb-ft of torque from its twin turbocharged 3.0-liter V6 and 75-kW electric motor, the Aviator Grand Touring is the most powerful production Lincoln ever. Itís 13.6-kWh lithium ion battery pack will give it the ability to roughly 18 miles on electricity alone, but itís the total package that makes this one interesting.

While Cadillac is the American brand that has actively set its sights on the likes Mercedes-AMG, BMW M and Audi RS for the past 15 years, Lincoln has stealthily snuck up on them. There is nothing overtly sporting about the Aviator Grand Touring or its gas-only siblings. In fact, in every respect it continues the quiet flight theme of the brand. The Aviator is exceptionally quiet and smooth.

2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring supports 120V and 240V charging

The available air spring suspension and dynamic dampers allow the Aviator to glide down the road with exceptional body control even over some of the more uneven pavement to found in northern Californiaís wine country. While the main roads in the area tend to be fairly smooth, once you get into the mountains, things change for the worse, especially in the areas that have scarred by fires and landslides in recent years.

2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring, plug in hybrid battery is under right side passenger seats preserving cargo space

Through the twists of an area like Sage Canyon, you donít want an overly stiff setup that upsets the vehicle. The Aviator is very well balanced thanks to a short-long-arm front suspension (replacing the Explorerís lower cost struts) and integral link rear similar in layout to the Mustang.

The MHT is based around the core of the new 10-speed automatic transmission that Ford co-developed with General Motors. The conventional 10-speed is now used in most of Ford and GMís longitudinal powertrain vehicles ranging from Mustang and Camaro to the full-sized Silverado and F-150 pickups as well as the base Aviator.

The variant that goes into the hybrid models has a case that is 180-mm longer than the conventional version and a correspondingly shorter driveshaft. This provides space to package an electric machine between the torque converter and transmission input. In the Explorer hybrid, this is a 37-kW motor while the Aviator bumps this to a larger 75-kW electric machine. Thatís sufficient to propel the 5,700-pound Grand Touring model on electricity alone, albeit at a relatively leisurely pace.

The blue lettering on the fender of the 2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring indicates that this is the plug-in hybrid

Fordís rear-drive unibody architecture was designed with electrification in mind space has been set aside for batteries under the floor to the right of the driveshaft. To the left is the fuel tank. If at some point Lincoln opted to build a battery electric version, eliminating the fuel tank and mechanical driveline would probably leave sufficient space for a battery pack with adequate range (at least 200 miles) but there are no currently announced plans. One big advantage of the battery location is that no cargo space is sacrificed and the Aviator Grand Touring still carries a spare tire onboard.

The Aviator has a 13.6-kWh liquid cooled lithium ion battery. Lincoln officials decline to specify who the battery supplier is, but acknowledge that it contains 96 pouch type cells. Given that LG Chem is currently the only major supplier of pouch cells, itís reasonable to assume that they are the vendor for the Aviator. Unlike the battery packs for the PHEV Fusion and C-Max which Ford assembled at a plant in Rawsonville, Mich., the Aviator cell supplier is providing complete pack assemblies.





Given the size of the battery, Lincoln hasnít included any DC fast charge or wireless capability in the Aviator, choosing instead to rely on 240-V level 2 charging. A full charge from a typical 6.6-7.2-kW charger should take 1.5-2 hours. As this article is being written, the EPA still has completed processing the certification for the PHEV Aviator or the Explorer hybrid so no official range or fuel economy numbers are available.

When the Aviator was unveiled at last Novemberís LA Auto Show, Lincoln chief engineer John Davis indicated that his team had aimed for a 50-km (31-mile) electric range to achieve thresholds for certain tax incentives in the Chinese market. However, those thresholds are based on the very optimistic NEDC test procedure. Here in its home market, the Aviator Grand Touring is expected to have a range of about 18 miles. That should be adequate for a lot of daily commuting, but it certainly wonít satisfy those interested in an alternative to a Tesla Model X or even an Audi e-Tron.

2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring, first drive

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The crowd that will be satisfied are those looking for an exceptionally quick and refined three-row SUV. We drove the Aviator Grand Touring on mix highway, suburban and twisting mountain roads more amenable to a Miata than a typical SUV. Despite its prodigious mass, the addition of 25% more power and 50% more torque moves the Aviator with authority. Even climbing a mountain pass, when we encountered a passing zone that provided an extra lane, a squeeze of the throttle shot the Lincoln past whatever was holding us up.

The Aviator has a range of drive modes available including conserve (aka eco), excite (sport), normal, slippery and deep conditions that make adjustments to throttle, steering, shift points and slip thresholds for the stability control. The Grand Touring adds two extra modes, Pure EV and Preserve EV. Pure forces the powertrain into electric-only mode which is handy for cruising through the neighborhood or for short commutes in the city. With only 100-hp on tap from the motor, acceleration is considerably less lively than in other modes, but it is adequate.

2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring, first drive

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The Preserve EV mode will actually use the engine and motor to recharge the battery for use at a later time. Itís not the most efficient mode, but if you know you want electric capability later, such as in a city center, this will bring the battery up to a 75% state of charge. The nice thing about this mode is that it manages the charging rate in order to preserve full performance. If you hammer the go pedal, charging will be suspended and you will have access to the full 494-hp and 630 lb-ft of torque until you back off.

Regardless of what mode the Aviator is in, the control feels totally seamless. We set out on an approximately 100 mile drive with about 75% battery charge and since this vehicle seems to encourage a lively style of driving, we took advantage of it. Accelerating uphill out of tight corners in excite mode depletes the battery faster than more sedate commuting. Preserve had no notable impact on the acceleration capability and put about half the battery charge back in about 50 miles.
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Due to cost, I'd just wait and buy a 100% EV instead of this 50/50 boo s.
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^Yes, this is pointless - 20 miles EV but with all the complexity of ICE - I'll keep my diesel Rover. I'd love a Tahoe EV though. Big box and enough space under it to house 200KW LOL.
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^Yes, this is pointless - 20 miles EV but with all the complexity of ICE - I'll keep my diesel Rover. I'd love a Tahoe EV though. Big box and enough space under it to house 200KW LOL.
Dude, the Tahoeís are ****ing garbage. I loved them until I actually had to use them multiple times as rentals. Everyone I ended up having had some rather large issue / failure. First one had a drive line failure, second had the rear differential crap out, third one was throwing cells. All of these were damn near brand new. My boss picked one up and also had issues.

I think the Aviator look, fit and finish is worlds above the Tahoe or Escalade right now. This plug in EV is a joke for sure but I wouldnít be surprised if you take advantage off all those EV credits.
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Dude, the Tahoeís are ****ing garbage. I loved them until I actually had to use them multiple times as rentals. Everyone I ended up having had some rather large issue / failure. First one had a drive line failure, second had the rear differential crap out, third one was throwing cells. All of these were damn near brand new. My boss picked one up and also had issues.

I think the Aviator look, fit and finish is worlds above the Tahoe or Escalade right now. This plug in EV is a joke for sure but I wouldnít be surprised if you take advantage off all those EV credits.
Perpetual 24-month lease. Horse show vehicle since we no longer tow our own unless emergency. Rover will come out with their EV around the same time though, so I'll probably opt for that anyway.
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This on a vehicle with about 12.5 kWh usable from its pack. Even small batteries can yield lots of electric miles if one has a level 2 EVSE at home.
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This on a vehicle with about 12.5 kWh usable from its pack. Even small batteries can yield lots of electric miles if one has a level 2 EVSE at home.
The Chrysler minibus again? Don't you have a whole thread dedicated to dat ting in OT?
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A rover, really? Why man, just why?
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Yes. But it's actually relevant in discussion of this similar-pack-size PHEV in this thread.

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Appearances must be sustained, man.
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I've had 2. My '05 was the best with BMW underpinnings and more height in back box, but current one is the TD6. Had tall dogs that could still stand in the back with the seats folded. Basically feels like you're sitting on your couch in the living room while driving, although, again, the old one was better than the new in this regard.
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Appearances must be sustained, man.
Appearances in my neighborhood equate to the size of the building named after you at Stanford. Cars you drive are about as important as the coffee you like. I have the worst house on the block, the most impure blood, the smallest bank account around, and every one of my neighbors knows it, I assure you.

Seriously, though, what's a better SUV than a Rover? Full size of course - if you need/want a big box and have no need for a 3rd row, what would you buy?
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Appearances in my neighborhood equate to the size of the building named after you at Stanford. Cars you drive are about as important as the coffee you like. I have the worst house on the block, the most impure blood, the smallest bank account around, and every one of my neighbors knows it, I assure you.

Seriously, though, what's a better SUV than a Rover? Full size of course - if you need/want a big box and have no need for a 3rd row, what would you buy?
I'm glad I live in a working (professional) class neighborhood, versus living amongst the rentiers of the world. We even elected for the smaller, cheaper, green house builder instead of the two ones pitching big, gaudy layouts.

I thought the quibble with RR was reliability. That's fixed under Tata? Then if the image doesn't bother you, and apparently that's not a thing in your world of McLarens and the like, then sure, that does seem reasonable.
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I'm glad I live in a working (professional) class neighborhood, versus living amongst the rentiers of the world. We even elected for the smaller, cheaper, green house builder instead of the two ones pitching big, gaudy layouts.

I thought the quibble with RR was reliability. That's fixed under Tata? Then if the image doesn't bother you, and apparently that's not a thing in your world of McLarens and the like, then sure, that does seem reasonable.
I only had the BMW version and now the Tata - no problems with either, and ran the '05 to ~90K or so. You are correct when I think about it though, if I leave the bubble and go to the central valley, I do feel out of place, and that does suck, but it's only 2-3 times per year. Once I move to TX,WY,MT or similar, I might have to change up some cars - hence the potential Tahoe EV.
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Appearances in my neighborhood equate to the size of the building named after you at Stanford. Cars you drive are about as important as the coffee you like. I have the worst house on the block, the most impure blood, the smallest bank account around, and every one of my neighbors knows it, I assure you.

Seriously, though, what's a better SUV than a Rover? Full size of course - if you need/want a big box and have no need for a 3rd row, what would you buy?
Are you talking about reliability or just over driveability when itís not in the shop?
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Are you talking about reliability or just over driveability when itís not in the shop?
Think I did radiator hoses on the '05 around 75K, other than that nothing other than maintenance. New one has just been scheduled maintenance so far.
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The Tata era Jaguar/Land Rovers (08+), are totally solid. They're expensive if you repair at the dealer, so insurance is on the high side, but they're pretty dang reliable in my experience (I have a '09 XF with the 4.2). My brother has a BMW era Discovery, and that is also super reliable. Against advice from everyone, he still has it and he has something in the neighborhood of 175K on it. They're the biggest bargains on the used car market right now.
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Think I did radiator hoses on the '05 around 75K, other than that nothing other than maintenance. New one has just been scheduled maintenance so far.


Jeremy swears by them They always had um during filming for stunt cars, work horses,etc. They always rated really bad on CR reliability. My father’s brother (he is 23 years younger then my father, weird) was service manager for Rover in Philly, so he had one all the time, said he would never buy one. Place folded up too back when Rover went under, now he is at Subaru around Philly somewhere haven’t spoke over ten years.
In the last shot commercial I love that paint man, not big red Guy, but it looks great n that Rover, that’s great picture too, at end of commercial. That’s the color I had done on my first Cayman that I modded, should of never Sold it, miss it to this day..I thought out there bragging rights of wealth was measured by least number of tents in front of your overpriced house/ mansion..So your moving to the country.. Wyoming, Montana Doesnt really fit my Image of E.Nick.. Then again you in Stentson on top of Wilbur doesn’t fit my image of you either I’ll sell u my Stetson Diamantť X1000F.. Doesn’t look right on an Indian o Waite Native American, it was gift..think he was busting my balls.


Range Rover's wild Chinese stunt – how did it get down?



Stunt-loving Range Rover wowed the world after climbing the staggering Dragon Road, but what goes up must come down…

Land Rover and its luxury SUV brand Range Rover are well known for coming up with risky but undeniably cool stunts to promote its products.

The latest stunt was the most challenging yet, according to the British car maker, and ended up at one of China’s most iconic natural wonders, Tiānmťn Shān, or Heaven’s Gate if you will.


Land Rover’s latest stunt has already clocked up more than a million views
After an 11km drive and 99 turns up the Tiānmťn Mountain Road at full tilt, the Range Rover Sport P400e then somehow climbed the final 999 steps to Heaven’s Gate.

Watch the video to see how the death-defying stunt took place.



Indeed, if the muscular 297kW/640Nm plug-in hybrid Range Rover Sport had have slowed or slipped, it could have spelled death or at least serious injury for Jaguar Formula E race driver, Ho-Pin Tung.

But after all that, what we really wanted to know is how they got the car down! After that perilous 45-degree ascent and perch at the top of the Tiānmťn Shān – then what?


Going up is challenging, but what about coming down?
Some of the discussions in the office suggested a helicopter air lift — after all military aircraft have flown through the mesmeric natural portal before, formed after two cliffs collapsed into each other.

Another theory was that Range Rover just torched the car, but leaving a smouldering mess at the top of one of China’s busiest tourist spots wouldn’t have been a good look.


Things didn’t always go to plan during testing
We eventually got an answer from the crack team of Land Rover specialists who engineered the stunt.

“The RR Sport was reversed slowly down the steps in a controlled way using the safety cables,” said the Land Rover spokesperson.

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^Avanti, I actually have a coffee mug that says "F*** Image"! I'm from the Bronx but spent childhood summers in Northern NH with grandparents - raising animals, shooting guns and chopping wood. Boat mechanic as a high school job after school, and busboy on weekends. Wound up on this coast for the same reason we all make bad decisions - some filthy countess. Would love a ranch with a river to fish, land to hunt, maybe even a bush plane.
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No ****, I didnít know that. Now you really ****ed up my head..Bronx. I spend a lot time in the city. So you look and talk like Bronx New Yorker..I can pick a prior Yorker every time. Yeah most old timers head south for the winter from upstate New York into Maine. Not Me I go north every Winter, Got place on lake In Maine. Quick ride to Canada. Love it, No one around, I put my dream Ham station in. A lot 160 meter, 80 meter antennas no noise pollution on the bands. I love Winter, love long bad storm too, honker down, no in, no out, on your own, solar panels, propane generator, and a lot wood. Great snow mobile trails, go for ever. My place in Northern Pa, In early Fall shoot over border to upState NY, Take, Her and I take the sleds out. Ah man trails up there are incredible, All groomed. We do this Loop, hard to explain but it has all places to stop in middle of the boonies. Beautiful Snow resorts, little log cabins spend the night, bar/ restaurants combo, only way there is by snow mobile thereís bunch of them out there..Seasonal Lobster, steaks, top shelve booze wine, fill up the sleds. Ride all day hit another for lunch, ride some more hit another for dinner bed down You get picture, after that trip I head up to Maine till April unless it starts raining warming up early.
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No ****, I didnít know that. Now you really ****ed up my head..Bronx. I spend a lot time in the city. So you look and talk like Bronx New Yorker..I can pick a prior Yorker every time. Yeah most old timers head south for the winter from upstate New York into Maine. Not Me I go north every Winter, Got place on lake In Maine. Quick ride to Canada. Love it, No one around, I put my dream Ham station in. A lot 160 meter, 80 meter antennas no noise pollution on the bands. I love Winter, love long bad storm too, honker down, no in, no out, on your own, solar panels, propane generator, and a lot wood. Great snow mobile trails, go for ever. My place in Northern Pa, In early Fall shoot over border to upState NY, Take, Her and I take the sleds out. Ah man trails up there are incredible, All groomed. We do this Loop, hard to explain but it has all places to stop in middle of the boonies. Beautiful Snow resorts, little log cabins spend the night, bar/ restaurants combo, only way there is by snow mobile thereís bunch of them out there..Seasonal Lobster, steaks, top shelve booze wine, fill up the sleds. Ride all day hit another for lunch, ride some more hit another for dinner bed down You get picture, after that trip I head up to Maine till April unless it starts raining warming up early.
That sounds great - amazing trails up in the White Mountains also - I still have my Yankee mag subscription to keep the flame burning, and actually just had a Moxie with lunch!
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Getting back to the Lincoln in question:

18 miles electric range on this thing? Considering these estimates are usually optimistic, that's about enough range for a wealthy stay at home mom to drop her kids off at prep school every morning and stop by Yoga class on the way home.
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Combined MPG and all-electric range for the Aviator Grand Touring are slightly better than expected.

Fuel economy figures for the 2020 Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring edition are finally out, and as expected the stats are better for this plug-in hybrid model versus standard Aviator variants. The numbers arenít much better however, with the EPA giving the posh people mover a combined 23 MPG rating. By comparison, the standard AWD Aviator manages 20 combined MPG from its twin-turbo V6, while the rear-wheel-drive model is slightly better at 21 MPG.

Keep in mind, however, that these numbers do not take into account the Aviator Grand Touringís electric-only operation. Factored into the equation, the MPGe rating checks in at 56 combined with an all-electric range of 21 miles. Thatís slightly better than the 18-mile estimate Lincoln initially gave us, and itís a welcome bump in the increasingly competitive PHEV SUV segment. Thatís still not enough to cover the average 30-mile daily commute in the U.S., but it handles most of the trip and that will certainly reduce visits to the gas station.

Itís also important to note that this luxury SUV is quite powerful. The EcoBoost V6 and electric powertrain combine to deliver 494 horsepower (368 kilowatts) and a mountain of low-end torque Ė 630 pound-feet (854 Newton-meters) to be exact. Yes, the elegant SUV is exceedingly heavy at close to three tons, but it can still hit 60 mph in roughly 5.5 seconds. Thatís not bad for anything capable of carrying more than two people, and the Aviator Grand Touring can actually haul seven.

There is a price for this combination of efficiency, luxury, and performance. The Aviator Grand Touring starts at $68,800, and it can exceed $91,000 with all the option boxes checked. An extra $10,000 puts you into a Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 that also carries seven people and is significantly quicker, but itís also far more expensive at the pump, and arguably, not as pleasing to the eye.

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