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05-21-2011, 05:26 PM | #326 |
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I will agree with you on all except the first one. So far that's the only one I would even consider buying, the rest of them are way too over the top. This is a $15k kit car, not a supercar. This might look good in airbrushed render form, but in real life it will just be chintzy. Most of these designs look like they started life as a 458 Italia or Porsche 918 and were then massaged and rearranged just enough to call it a different car. I agree they should just hire a company to design the thing instead of letting Joe Schmoe whip something up in MS Paint and call it a day. But then that would cost money, and this way they might end up with something decent without having to pay full value for it.
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05-21-2011, 11:48 PM | #328 |
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How many actually looks through the gallery? They have quite a variety there.
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05-22-2011, 04:12 PM | #329 |
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Since half of those are my concepts, I'll comment back. Care to offer your submissions up for criticism? This is a 15k car from a donor wrx, there are constraints as far as materials and production methods. When you come up with something that isn't derivative or is completely original that looks good, and can be made for 15k post it up and let people comment on it. Im not saying that you can't do this, for all I know you could have submitted a design that is amazing and could win, but until I know what you mean visually by being original thinking under the conditions, maybe better criticism would be no criticism on your part.
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05-22-2011, 04:21 PM | #330 |
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Wow, tremendous contribution. Thank you for the insight, suggestions, etc.
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05-23-2011, 03:28 AM | #331 |
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And now, back our regularly scheduled program...
My first concept. Each version adheres to the full 818 template spec, including the higher driver position: Last edited by Hiryu; 05-23-2011 at 12:14 PM. Reason: forgot to add the video |
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I think whatever is settled on I will like as long as its doesn't look like a Del Sol---if so, count me out. Last edited by hondahata; 05-23-2011 at 03:59 AM. |
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Anyway, I really like the one jbones posted. Certainly clean enough to not turn me off to the car, which is all I really want. Keep it simple. |
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05-23-2011, 10:05 AM | #334 |
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well, gee, as long as we're starting from zero, I guess the Saker car that was linked in page 3 of this thread is probably closest to what I'd like to see FFR's car look and behave like:
I mean this is pretty much it, isn't it? A sub-2000-lb mid-engined track toy based on a WRX engine? Obviously the Saker is to a significantly higher spec, with bits like Moton remote-reservoir racing shocks and Motec ECU, but these are options an individual owner could pursue. And from an ascetics standpoint, I don't see much wrong with this car, although it's not-horrible-overstated curves may be impossible on FFR's shorter intended wheelbase (the Saker is 101"). Cars like the Elise have always bothered me because they look like they were trying to squash too much car into the available space. The a/c cobra's and this Maserati A6GCS certainly balance this better while managing to be truly tiny, but they are front-engined cars. A better starting point might be early mid-engined "GT" race cars from the 60's (can't think of an ideal example right now). Frank Last edited by Frank A; 05-23-2011 at 10:12 AM. |
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IMHO, this will be a road-car first, rather than an all-out track toy. So the body will be much more streetable sports car than all-out, center-seat wedge. |
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what, not a fan of can-am bodies? Virtually every major manufacturer has made a car of this shape at some time or another. Here's a 1973 Ferrari:
yeah, don't really need a road car unless it'll make a good dd too. base wrx is already more than fast enough for the street. but I'm sure they'll sell more targeting the street market. not really their fault but not what I want. Would prefer a street-legal track toy. Last edited by Frank A; 05-23-2011 at 10:55 AM. |
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That topless Elise body posted earlier, for example, is more what I'd be pulling for. |
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Additionally, the limitations imposed by the chassis and the bargain price of the proposed product do not necessitate that each submission look as if it is a throwback to the 1990s. Of course. |
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Replica Stratos Body > all
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05-23-2011, 02:53 PM | #342 | |
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The comments were at the bottom of my post and identified the issue common to all the pics. There was no point in typing the same thing six times consecutively. Also, I'm sure someone can look up "low-brow" for you. |
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05-23-2011, 04:18 PM | #344 | |
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really? you were dropping those design buzzwords so skillfully i'd never have guessed. while i can appreciate your insistence that anyone who can't out-imagine you is devoid of artistic ability, i'd consider one major thing - the people who are submitting designs are, by and large, submitting what they want to drive, not the most off-the-wall creative thing they can dream up. maybe they want to drive old designs because they like the way they look (how many "omg stratos" comments have we seen here?). Although Factory Five wants to bring in new, younger customers, i have a feeling a large portion of their customer base likes those kinds of designs as well. maybe i'm completely wrong and the winning design will look like the Batman Tumbler.
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05-23-2011, 04:46 PM | #345 |
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Patience while I state the obvious, but I think stewb's failure was in the delivery, not the message. To just post a string of "no"s followed by a one-liner of a criticism is certainly uncalled for and an insult to the creators of the designs that have posted them here for constructive feedback. The very real fear here is that FFR will create a "kit car" like so many other ascetically failed niche vehicles over the years. There isn't even room to name the failures, and even major corporations with near-infinite resources are not immune from making ugly cars.
buuuut, a genuinely original car that knocks everyone's socks off and has the staying power of an a/c cobra is pretty tall order that stewb is entirely off-base to expect. The best and largest design operations in the world can't predictably create a winner on demand. I think the value of posts like the link to the Stratos recreation is 1) to remind designers of the forms that can work well on the layout and set of dimensions, and 2) remind everyone that, "if you can't come up with something original, at least make a good-looking copy of something great." This was the advice of one of Frank Lloyd Wright's students at a show about his own architecture and his response to the assumed criticism that his work could be called derivative of Wright's. Frank |
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Good thing I did not state anywhere in this thread that I expect a car that "knocks everyone's socks off and has the staying power of an a/c cobra." Otherwise I would be "off-base." |
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05-23-2011, 06:15 PM | #348 | |
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they got outsourced, i think.
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05-23-2011, 07:41 PM | #349 | |
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There is a reason numerous people have commented on you post, it just didn't come across well. You don't care, fine. No point in going on about it. Last edited by REX8; 05-23-2011 at 07:48 PM. |
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