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Old 02-15-2016, 10:58 AM   #51
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I just do a quick 2-1 shift if the shifter doesn't want to go straight to 1st.
I almost always do it instead of going straight to 1st out of habit.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:21 PM   #52
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Sounds about the same as the 5 speed they put in the WRX for over a decade.
That's because it IS the same transmission, just with an extra gear. The real Subaru 6MT (STi or spec B box) has no such issues. Mine is still smooth into any gear (including first) after 176k miles.

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The 2015-16 6-speed is factory-filled with Extra-MT which is a different fluid from Extra-S.
Extra-S no longer exists

I've switched to Mobil 1 Delvac.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:12 AM   #53
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The 2015/2016 WRX are known to have sloppy shifts (new or worn in). You should invest in a Shift stop and a new Shift Brass bushing. I think this will probably cost you no more than $100 (can't remember how much I paid for the shift stop but the brass bushing is about $25. Installation is DIY super easy although the brass bushing will require you lift your car up to get underneath. (No special tools required).

Both my stop shift and brass bushing are from Perrin and it makes a world of difference.
Same issue here (2016 wrx limited). I think I will have to try this.

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The most annoying thing I've found is downshifting into 1st when coming up to a stop sign. Yes, we all know that a manual transmission car should not let you shift into 1st while going 30mph. But what about 5mph or a complete stop though? I have on numerous occasions come to a complete stop, wanted to shift into 1st and couldn't.
God I hate this about my car. I will be staying tuned to see how others cope with this.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:47 AM   #54
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This might sound kinda dumb... maybe people with shifting issues should check their gear oil dipstick and make sure it's topped off.

I do remember some sloppy shifting until I installed the Kartboy stuff though so it could be the cable being stubborn rather than the gearbox itself.

Drove my car this morning, no problems shifting what-so-ever... I don't try to put it in 1st going 20km/h+ though, that's just stupid.

Many of you are putting on J-pipe, deleting ****, tuning, etc... car makes power fine stock but stock transmission feel is absolute crap, I recommend putting your money into the Kartboy bearing and shifter plate.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:23 PM   #55
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My buddy was having similar issues with his 15 wrx as well
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:28 PM   #56
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I am having the same issue with my 2016 Limited, non STS though. Let us know what you try out
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:30 PM   #57
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Really? No one has said this yet?

If you can't stand it, take a seat. The front passenger seat that is.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:03 PM   #58
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Really? No one has said this yet?

If you can't stand it, take a seat. The front passenger seat that is.
indeed...
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:13 PM   #59
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Must be the way they're making the transmission now. My Hawkeye shifts great.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:17 AM   #60
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yep. hated the wrx 6 speed.

swap in a v7 sti 6 speed
Yep, only permanent solution.
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Old 02-20-2016, 10:44 PM   #61
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If you do end up changing the fluid please let us know how it goes. It seems like this might be the final piece of the puzzle.
So I changed out the factory fill today in my 2015 Rex and so far I am very pleased with the results. The car has the following trans/shifter related parts.

- Kartboy short throw shifter
- Kartboy shift cable bearing
- Perrin Shift Stop gizmo
- Heavy stainless steel shift knob, though I have OEM one on right now
- Group N transmission mount (020)
- Whiteline Gearbox Positive Shift Kit (polyurethane crossmember bushings)
- Uncle Scotty's Cocktail (V3)
- Performed a clutch bleed

Drain plug eased out smoothly with a 1/2'' Snap Op breaker bar. No need for pipe over the breaker bar. I let the trans drain for a good half hour, maybe 45 minutes. The fluid did not look burnt and didn't have that goofy almond smell that cooked gear oil smells like. It had a light sulphury odor and was light gray in color. The magnetic drain plug had a good 1/8" of debris stuck to it, though I could not make individual shards of metal. Looked like normal manual transmission goo to me. Smooth easy job and nothing out of the ordinary to note.

For the fill, I used USC. Yep, that same old gunk that's tried and true on the old 5 speed, but not on this transmission. I figured what the hell. I dumped the concoction into the crunchbox, took it for a light throttle spin and brought it back to the garage and topped her off. Right off the bat the trans felt different. I went to engage reverse and clicked right into gear. Usually it requires a little tug. Going first to second felt better. Not perfect, but not tight like it was. No clunk from the trans either, just the rear, but that's another issue altogether. 2nd to 3rd is like butter, but it pretty much has been. 3rd to 4th shifting very fast (But still lifting) there is zero grind. 5th and 6th are the same IE smooth. My car has the Group N trans mount and since switching to it, I gained some NVH. Since the fluid swap, I don't hear the trans nearly as much. Will have to wait for cooler temps and see if it gets noisy. Doesn't bother me either way though. Overall the difference is night and day in regards to notchyness and crunching. Its good now, it really is. It still doesn't feel like a proper STI transmission, but it never will. For a cable actuated trans though, it feels excellent. I hope it stays this way. Will be putting some miles on the USC and see how it holds up. Also will have to wait and see if USC plays nice with carbon synchronizers over the long term.


PS. It goes into first at 20+ mph too. Not a regular practice of mine, I assure you. But I figure if you going to test something you may as well do it right. A rev match at 20+ mph and it slides right in into gear with no complaints.

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Old 02-21-2016, 02:38 PM   #62
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Thanks for the detailed write up! I really appreciate it.
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:07 PM   #63
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Damn turbotype you went all out. All you really need for much better shift is the cable bearing, modified friction gear oil, and a clutch bleed. The rest are just nice to have. Well done.
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:45 PM   #64
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Damn turbotype you went all out. All you really need for much better shift is the cable bearing, modified friction gear oil, and a clutch bleed. The rest are just nice to have. Well done.
Well thanks, I think, but I didn't buy all that crap at once. I bought and installed over the stuff over a period of a few months. I started with just the KB STS and bearing, then it snowballed, as I couldn't get the feel I was looking for. I got close though a few weeks ago. Then recently I hit stop and go traffic in LA and the inconsistent "crunching" started. I did the fluid drain and clutch bleed after that, and right now the shifts feel about as good as I think it will get in that car.

If I was to do it all over again, I would actually start with the fluid change, clutch bleed,Group N bushing and a cable bearing or bushing, in that order.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:37 PM   #65
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If I was to do it all over again, I would actually start with the fluid change, clutch bleed,Group N bushing and a cable bearing or bushing, in that order.
Since you just changed the fluid, do you ever now get a wiff of gear oil when driving?
Since I changed mine I will get the distinct smell of gear oil (smells good and fresh) sometimes when I come to a stop. For some reason I smell it often when reversing, but I'm not sure if that is just because it is always low speed.
I never smelled gear oil before, but the original stuff I drained also didn't smell like gear oil. Not sure what they use in the factory, but gear oil has that really distinctive smell that is like no other oil.
I'm not sure if there is some sort of breather on the trans or something that is allowing that smell out now?
I park in a garage daily and there is not a drop of oil ever so I'm pretty positive nothing is leaking.
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Since you just changed the fluid, do you ever now get a wiff of gear oil when driving?
Since I changed mine I will get the distinct smell of gear oil (smells good and fresh) sometimes when I come to a stop. For some reason I smell it often when reversing, but I'm not sure if that is just because it is always low speed.
I never smelled gear oil before, but the original stuff I drained also didn't smell like gear oil. Not sure what they use in the factory, but gear oil has that really distinctive smell that is like no other oil.
I'm not sure if there is some sort of breather on the trans or something that is allowing that smell out now?
I park in a garage daily and there is not a drop of oil ever so I'm pretty positive nothing is leaking.
No I have not smelled it in the car. But I agree with your assessment of the factory gear oil. I didn't want to say so because it sounds goofy, but you are most certainly right. It doesn't smell like the usual nasty crap that comes out of gearboxes and rearends. It still had a light sulphur smell, which is normal, but the factory fill had sort of a sweet smell to it. But I never smelled it in the car, before or after the fluid change.

PS. Who knows, maybe its scented. GM sells a grape scented 75W-90 gear oil. Literally smells like water, sugar and purple.
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PS. Who knows, maybe its scented. GM sells a grape scented 75W-90 gear oil. Literally smells like water, sugar and purple.
Wow... today I learned... why... I'm speechless

Never thought a gear oil discussion will make me thirsty :/
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Old 02-25-2016, 07:26 PM   #68
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When I posted this thread I wasn't expecting many other people to have the same issue? Basically figured it was a problem with just my car. I appreciate the suggestions on how to possibly address this problem. My issue with Subaru is that it's freaking 2016 and bone stock, not even beat on, brand new car with 6k original miles and this should not be. I just refuse to have to do things like double clutch and put an experimental concoction of fluids risking the warranty just for the chance for it to do what it should have been doing in the first place. I am thinking I may just take it to the dealership and see what they have to say about? One thing I may do I take up some suggestions from here and change the fluid out early to whatever the factory calls for.

The problem with taking it to he dealer is that it's such a subtle issue and it doesn't happen all the time they may not catch or notice it all that easily. Or they may wright it off as a non issue as it's not their own personal car with this annoyance, so it's easy to write off as no problem. For those who are not 100% on what it feels like, it's like first and second sometimes kind of clicks into gear twice. It clicks like halfway into the gear and than pushes right thru that click and than falls the rest of the way into gear. It does not take any force to push thru the hang up it, just feels it very briefly hangs up the slightest little bit a half a second as it goes into gear. Just utterly annoying!
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:50 PM   #69
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^^^^^^thats exactly what I get. I almost feel like it's gonna grind but it doesn't. Btw I have a 2015
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Never thought a gear oil discussion will make me thirsty :/


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When I posted this thread I wasn't expecting many other people to have the same issue? Basically figured it was a problem with just my car. I appreciate the suggestions on how to possibly address this problem. My issue with Subaru is that it's freaking 2016 and bone stock, not even beat on, brand new car with 6k original miles and this should not be. I just refuse to have to do things like double clutch and put an experimental concoction of fluids risking the warranty just for the chance for it to do what it should have been doing in the first place. I am thinking I may just take it to the dealership and see what they have to say about? One thing I may do I take up some suggestions from here and change the fluid out early to whatever the factory calls for.

The problem with taking it to he dealer is that it's such a subtle issue and it doesn't happen all the time they may not catch or notice it all that easily. Or they may wright it off as a non issue as it's not their own personal car with this annoyance, so it's easy to write off as no problem. For those who are not 100% on what it feels like, it's like first and second sometimes kind of clicks into gear twice. It clicks like halfway into the gear and than pushes right thru that click and than falls the rest of the way into gear. It does not take any force to push thru the hang up it, just feels it very briefly hangs up the slightest little bit a half a second as it goes into gear. Just utterly annoying!
If you want to try a gear oil change, you certainly won't need to use a concoction or anything like that. I did it, but I have strong faith in USC from days past, so I figured WTH. Just pick a good GL-5 75W-90 per the owners manual and give it a try. Save the receipt. Redline 75W90 NS GL-5 Gear Oil might be a good one to try as it has a really good track record and meets the requirements. You can search around here and BITOG as well to find other fluids that others have tried with good results. I say good track record or results implying that some fluids are just too "slippery" in this transmission or that. Or put another way, sometimes the syncronizers don't do their job as expected with fluids that are too damn good at lubrication, since a syncro functions via friction. Lastly, like you said, since you still have a stock car and warranty, take a shot with Subaru and ask, no tell them to fix it. Best of luck with whatever you decide. Just DO NOT accept the "It's a Subaru" position on the matter. It should not grind. As far as notchyness or your "double click", you can smooth it out for sure. Just remember it IS a cable actuated shifter, so they tend to be a little notchy by nature.
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Old 02-26-2016, 07:16 AM   #71
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The problem with taking it to he dealer is that it's such a subtle issue and it doesn't happen all the time they may not catch or notice it all that easily. Or they may wright it off as a non issue as it's not their own personal car with this annoyance, so it's easy to write off as no problem. For those who are not 100% on what it feels like, it's like first and second sometimes kind of clicks into gear twice. It clicks like halfway into the gear and than pushes right thru that click and than falls the rest of the way into gear. It does not take any force to push thru the hang up it, just feels it very briefly hangs up the slightest little bit a half a second as it goes into gear. Just utterly annoying!
I completely agree with what you describe, and when I changed my fluid that problem went away 90%. It is still there, but drastically better. You gotta change the fluid man.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the inside of a manual, but it is the dogtooth gears engaging that give it that notch feel. It is a round disc just like a gear, but rather than teeth around its circumference it has round pegs radially on its face. They key into round holes around the face of the actual gear.
Particularly when it is cold and the synchros don't work perfectly, those two things are going a little different speed and you feel that clunking as the pegs skip over the holes before slipping in. All manuals have that but it is really a synchro issue because that is the job of the synchro.
If you for example didn't even depress your clutch and tried to put it in gear, the grinding you would hear would not be gear teeth, it would be those round pegs grinding on the surface that has the round holes but moving to fast to get in, they'd just grind as they pass over.
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Is this any different than what we hear every year from somoene with the 6 speed? It just takes getting used to. When I had my 06 sti I got the Perrin sls kit installed. Made that 1st-2nd much smoother!
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When I posted this thread I wasn't expecting many other people to have the same issue? Basically figured it was a problem with just my car. I appreciate the suggestions on how to possibly address this problem. My issue with Subaru is that it's freaking 2016 and bone stock, not even beat on, brand new car with 6k original miles and this should not be. I just refuse to have to do things like double clutch and put an experimental concoction of fluids risking the warranty just for the chance for it to do what it should have been doing in the first place. I am thinking I may just take it to the dealership and see what they have to say about? One thing I may do I take up some suggestions from here and change the fluid out early to whatever the factory calls for.

The problem with taking it to he dealer is that it's such a subtle issue and it doesn't happen all the time they may not catch or notice it all that easily. Or they may wright it off as a non issue as it's not their own personal car with this annoyance, so it's easy to write off as no problem. For those who are not 100% on what it feels like, it's like first and second sometimes kind of clicks into gear twice. It clicks like halfway into the gear and than pushes right thru that click and than falls the rest of the way into gear. It does not take any force to push thru the hang up it, just feels it very briefly hangs up the slightest little bit a half a second as it goes into gear. Just utterly annoying!
Have you read my posts?

http://www.kartboy.com/x4/product.ph...cat=278&page=1

JUST. DO. IT.

After grinding 5th because I was "half-way" into gear, I didn't hesitate to buy into the short shifter fad, it's only $150 CAD and stays on your car forever. Worth every penny. Haven't missed or grinded a gear since installing this kit. Only downside is it costs money and is a pain in the ass to install.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:30 PM   #74
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Have you read my posts?

http://www.kartboy.com/x4/product.ph...cat=278&page=1

JUST. DO. IT.

After grinding 5th because I was "half-way" into gear, I didn't hesitate to buy into the short shifter fad, it's only $150 CAD and stays on your car forever. Worth every penny. Haven't missed or grinded a gear since installing this kit. Only downside is it costs money and is a pain in the ass to install.
I have that + Perrin bushing and shift stop and my car still does it.
It's not the same fix for every car.
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Again how is this any different than what people have been complaining about since the 04 sti came out. There is nothing wrong with you car or your transmission.

Also not sure if they make it for the newer wrx/sti's but the perrin subframe lockdown system kit made the most difference on my 1st-2nd shift compared to any short shifters or gear fluid.
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