ASP.... the competition... - Page 3

BlkWRXWag · 02-08-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by makofoto

At a little practice session a couple of weeks ago, Tom B. was a good 2 seconds faster then Max Hayter and his STU ProSolo winning STI.

Hang on a minute, it was only 1.4secs!!:

Tom ran a 38.5 and I was a 39.9. Richard Jung got down to a 39.9 as well and Mike Simanyi was a 40.2 IIRC. The course was very transition heavy with multiple slaloms. But yes, beware Mr. Berry in that car - he's going to be very, very fast.

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Chiketkd · 02-08-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkWRXWag

Hang on a minute, it was only 1.4secs!!:

Tom ran a 38.5 and I was a 39.9. Richard Jung got down to a 39.9 as well and Mike Simanyi was a 40.2 IIRC. The course was very transition heavy with multiple slaloms. But yes, beware Mr. Berry in that car - he's going to be very, very fast.

Were you really topping out in 3rd gear going into the finish Max? If so then that wasn't a legal SCCA solo course (as 3rd is good to over 90mph on '06 STIs).

BlkWRXWag · 02-08-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

Were you really topping out in 3rd gear going into the finish Max? If so then that wasn't a legal SCCA solo course (as 3rd is good to over 90mph on '06 STIs).

It wasn't an SCCA event - more like a private event. And yes, I was hitting the rev limiter in 3rd at the finish, but I think that is more like 70 mph with my 245/40/17 tires.

Chiketkd · 02-08-2007, 01:06 PM

^
Gotcha. However, once speeds get above 65mph, the higher powered classes start to get an unfair advantage...

BlkWRXWag · 02-08-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

^
Gotcha. However, once speeds get above 65mph, the higher powered classes start to get an unfair advantage...

It was only crossing the finish line I was at that speed. The rest of the course was half 2nd/half 3rd gear.

ULLLOSE · 02-08-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

^
Gotcha. However, once speeds get above 65mph, the higher powered classes start to get an unfair advantage...

And yet max got beat by a car that puts about 160hp to the ground.

There was also a drag race start.

btw Tom was on an OLD set of Hoosier's that came with the car and were corded within a few runs. He will be fast.

Chiketkd · 02-08-2007, 11:13 PM

^
What times were you turning in your RX-8 Jason?

ULLLOSE · 02-08-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

^
What times were you turning in your RX-8 Jason?

39.6 was my best.

BlkWRXWag · 02-08-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

39.6 was my best.

I had him nervous at least

ULLLOSE · 02-08-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkWRXWag

I had him nervous at least

Yep, you make me nervous: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bstockrx...803701425208/0

Chiketkd · 02-08-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

39.6 was my best.

Nice!

But the '07 BS PAX index is 0.828, while the '07 STU PAX is index is 0.821.

Jason's 39.6 x 0.828 = 32.788

Max's 39.9 x 0.821 = 32.757

Looks like Max had you beat!

ULLLOSE · 02-08-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

Nice!

But the '07 BS PAX index is 0.828, while the '07 STU PAX is index is 0.821.

Jason's 39.6 x 0.828 = 32.788

Max's 39.9 x 0.821 = 32.757

Looks like Max had you beat!

I know you don't want to turn this in to a how weak the STU Pax is thread.

Sure would be nice if some fast guys get in the class this year and push Brandon beyond winning in an AS car on coilovers.

Chiketkd · 02-08-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

I know you don't want to turn this in to a how weak the STU Pax is thread.

Sure would be nice if some fast guys get in the class this year and push Brandon beyond winning in an AS car on coilovers.

LOL! Wouldn't want to take the thread there!

No way! Brandon are you still on the stock ECU?!

BlkWRXWag · 02-08-2007, 11:56 PM

Can't we examine the Pro Finale results instead

Silencer · 02-09-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

Sure would be nice if some fast guys get in the class this year and push Brandon beyond winning in an AS car on coilovers.

Coilovers, ECU tuning, possibly exhaust, does not equal an AS car Jason. No arguement that his car has room for improvement, but the field is generally new and Brandon has proven that a driver is the key to winning more so than the car. Considering that STU has the highest hp cars with the most weight on street tires certainly needs a couple seasons of developement specifically on asphalt. And I'm not discounting the lower hp, lighter weight M3.

I personally would like to see you bring over your RX-8 and see if you fit in with the so-called "fast guys" instead of discounting the existing talent.

Dave

Silencer · 02-09-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Silencer

Coilovers, ECU tuning, possibly exhaust, does not equal an AS car Jason. No arguement that his car has room for improvement, but the field is generally new and Brandon has proven that a driver is the key to winning more so than the car. Considering that STU has the highest hp cars with the most weight on street tires certainly needs a couple seasons of developement specifically on asphalt. And I'm not discounting the lower hp, lighter weight M3.

I personally would like to see you bring over your RX-8 and see if you fit in with the so-called "fast guys" instead of discounting the existing talent.

Dave

Dam, just realized this is a BSP thread. Sorry, off topic.

Dave

BlkWRXWag · 02-09-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Silencer

Dam, just realized this is a BSP thread. Sorry, off topic.

Dave

Yeah - apologies for the hijack. Blame Isley!

Scooby South · 02-09-2007, 11:37 AM

Thanks...^ i wasn't going to say anything...................................yet....

Bill

makofoto · 02-09-2007, 11:42 AM

The Moment when Tom decided to go with the Evo instead of a STI:

Mr & Mrs Berry with their new toy:

ULLLOSE · 02-09-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Silencer

Coilovers, ECU tuning, possibly exhaust, does not equal an AS car Jason. No arguement that his car has room for improvement, but the field is generally new and Brandon has proven that a driver is the key to winning more so than the car. Considering that STU has the highest hp cars with the most weight on street tires certainly needs a couple seasons of developement specifically on asphalt. And I'm not discounting the lower hp, lighter weight M3.

I personally would like to see you bring over your RX-8 and see if you fit in with the so-called "fast guys" instead of discounting the existing talent.

Dave

I was just jerking Max's chain, funny how it got more of a rise out of you than him.

However the class getting owned two years in a row by a car with stock 7.5" wheels , AC, rubber bushings and stock seats tells me there is a lot left on the table.

imho Max showed at the Pro Finale how fast STU is. I expect this year as a Natl class if you do not raise your game those that were in the trophies in 2006 will be mid-pack fodder for 2007. The M3s that were near the top had more development than any other cars in the class. I don't see those cars getting much faster. I will be surprised if one can get into the top 5 this year.

Take my two time championship winning car and dump $10k in it to go to a slower class, I don't think so. Now forced induction and Street Mod.

To keep this on track, the RX8 is also a BSP car. Forget about it, weighs 150 lbs more then the S2K and in SP trim they make less power than a stock S2K, 201hp/141tq at the wheels.

The good news is 18X10 with 285s fit in the stock fenders. The stock suspension is really pretty good to begin with so there are only minor improvements to be found. I doubt you will ever see anyone make a serious run at BSP in one.

Chiketkd · 02-09-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by makofoto

The Moment when Tom decided to go with the Evo instead of a STI:

ROFLMAO!

ULLLOSE · 02-09-2007, 11:57 AM

Bloody hell man, you are going to mess up my pink stickers on those cones.

Scooby South · 02-09-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

I was just jerking Max's chain, funny how it got more of a rise out of you than him.

However the class getting owned two years in a row by a car with stock 7.5" wheels , AC, rubber bushings and stock seats tells me there is a lot left on the table.

imho Max showed at the Pro Finale how fast STU is. I expect this year as a Natl class if you do not raise your game those that were in the trophies in 2006 will be mid-pack fodder for 2007. The M3s that were near the top had more development than any other cars in the class. I don't see those cars getting much faster. I will be surprised if one can get into the top 5 this year.

Take my two time championship winning car and dump $10k in it to go to a slower class, I don't think so. Now forced induction and Street Mod.

To keep this on track, the RX8 is also a BSP car. Forget about it, weighs 150 lbs more then the S2K and in SP trim they make less power than a stock S2K, 201hp/141tq at the wheels.

The good news is 18X10 with 285s fit in the stock fenders. The stock suspension is really pretty good to begin with so there are only minor improvements to be found. I doubt you will ever see anyone make a serious run at BSP in one.

thanks..

....

makofoto · 02-09-2007, 12:28 PM

Silencer · 02-09-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

I was just jerking Max's chain, funny how it got more of a rise out of you than him.

No rise here, just all fun and games, lol.

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imho Max showed at the Pro Finale how fast STU is.

Makes me feel better 7 tenths out

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Take my two time championship winning car and dump $10k in it to go to a slower class, I don't think so.

You mean STU does not have a softer pax after all? lol.

I do agree with you that the RX-8 would be a difficult BSP car and that seeing one compete in SM trim would be interesting.

Dave

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