ESP - The competition - Page 51

Leonardo · 09-29-2009, 09:43 PM

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Thinking of getting a 07 wrx wagon and build it up for next season.

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CamaroFS34 · 09-29-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaze-65

I'm still working on my ESP wrx, I had some problems at the last event due to a clutch starting to slip. So my big question now is .... can someone recommend a pretty good clutch to go with? I'm on stock engine power right now, I do plan to add a COBB AP in the very near future. So what will handle the autox and daily driver duty? I don't mind a stiffer clutch, I bought the car with a stiffer one to begin with.

I am currently using the heavy-duty ACT clutch with a streetlite flywheel. Definitely heavier than stock, but I do like the lightened flywheel. I have the Cobb AP, as well as other ESP-legal power stuff.

Karen

Blaze-65 · 09-29-2009, 11:42 PM

I'm reading through the FAQ right now, but i bumped this thread up because I felt like I could get a more motorsport perspective on it. I didn't even think of changing the flywheel until your comment ... hmm I will be right there so I guess why not.

mccanixx has a thread on his ESP build ... it's suprising to see him using the stock setup

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Originally Posted by mccanixx

Trans:
2002 wrx Transmission rebuilt w/used gears...... I do live dangerously
MFactory Helical front diff
Cusco 1.5 rs rear
Stock clutch PP and Flywheel

makofoto · 09-30-2009, 02:43 AM

The stock STI clutch is good .. get the Excedy (? spelling) one ... same as the more expensive STI labeled version.

mccanixx · 09-30-2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaze-65

I'm reading through the FAQ right now, but i bumped this thread up because I felt like I could get a more motorsport perspective on it. I didn't even think of changing the flywheel until your comment ... hmm I will be right there so I guess why not.

mccanixx has a thread on his ESP build ... it's suprising to see him using the stock setup

HP levels on a esp wrx aren't tremendous. Factory clutch is quite good. Although I wouldn't mind a street act or something it's was an unecassary $600.00 that could go elsewhere. The feel is better. I do like the way Karen's engages. It's easy for me to stall

As I said in my thread, a stiffer clutch set up is only going to increase load on the gear sets. IMO.

I've had no issues with slippage or 60's so why spend the money. I'll change it in the spring, it's 4 years old, and I bet what goes in is stock.

I guess if you have the cash get a street style package, just over stock. But, it's in no way necassary for a dd esp car.

Greg

Blaze-65 · 09-30-2009, 09:16 AM

Yeah I noticed exedy had a stock unit around 250 i believe ... that may be the way to go. I honestly don't have the spare cash, although I could save and get the street style package. I may just spend the saved money on a flywheel. I'm used to my clutch already, but I am curious to know what I have in the car already. It's definitely above stock and a bit stiffer ... I've had several WRX owners sit in my car and try the clutch out.

oh yeah this is my car now

Mechie3 · 09-30-2009, 09:26 AM

How much benefit do you feel from a lightweight flywheel? My engine is out of the car now (it blew up....again) and the flywheel is all blue and has a fair number of surface cracks. Guess that's the cost of letting the wifey autocross the car when she's still learning to drive stick and launching the hell out of it.

mccanixx · 09-30-2009, 11:40 AM

I tend to think a LWF would negatively effect my launches.

bcblues · 09-30-2009, 12:49 PM

It does require a bit of finesse, but then again, so does babying a stock clutch.

Most folks end up putting on a LWF along with power-adding mods, so the launch factor does not change all that much....

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Originally Posted by mccanixx

I tend to think a LWF would negatively effect my launches.

Mechie3 · 09-30-2009, 03:05 PM

Since I don't do a lot (err...any as of late) pro solo's that don't have a hard launch into a straight, do you think the LW FW's benefits over the rest of the course outweigh a potentially worse launch?

sureshot007 · 09-30-2009, 03:14 PM

You blew your engine AGAIN?! Jeez, that's more than me

I have a 12 lb flywheel and I think it makes a ton of difference. I love it. Launch issues were quickly corrected by adding launch control to the ecu.

angryfist · 09-30-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bcblues

It does require a bit of finesse, but then again, so does babying a stock clutch.

Most folks end up putting on a LWF along with power-adding mods, so the launch factor does not change all that much....

theres no need to baby a stock clutch. its got enough clamp load for ESP power levels.

Mechie3 · 09-30-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sureshot007

You blew your engine AGAIN?! Jeez, that's more than me

I have a 12 lb flywheel and I think it makes a ton of difference. I love it. Launch issues were quickly corrected by adding launch control to the ecu.

yeah. The last one was one I built myself. Lasted 2k miles, a subaru challenge, and an autocross. I think some silicone got in a passage after a while. For the next one I bought an OEM shortblock from Subaru.

I'm looking at a 15lbs flywheel.

CamaroFS34 · 09-30-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

I tend to think a LWF would negatively effect my launches.

You seemed to launch mine okay.

mccanixx · 10-01-2009, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroFS34

You seemed to launch mine okay.

Ya, but you didn't see me stall it at nationals pulling onto some boards so we could jack it up.

It was a fail and Hilary laughed heartily!

CamaroFS34 · 10-01-2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

Ya, but you didn't see me stall it at nationals pulling onto some boards so we could jack it up.

It was a fail and Hilary laughed heartily!

<shrug> Gabe and Pat stall it regularly too. Me, not so much, but I drive it more than anyone else.

hilary0110 · 10-01-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mccanixx

Ya, but you didn't see me stall it at nationals pulling onto some boards so we could jack it up.

It was a fail and Hilary laughed heartily!

I did laugh and still do!
McCance that ass hat switchbladed himself!

thewerxracing · 10-15-2009, 10:25 AM

Okie Dokie. I need everyone's help.

I'm selling my Autocross toy because I am sick of it. My E-Stock Prepped Porsche 944 is going away and I am going to move my daily driver into autocross duties. It's job as a DD will be taken over by a 2010 Impreza Hatch.

What else would be needed (Tires/Sways/Saftey/etc) to make my DD into an ESP contender?

So far:
2002 WRX Sedan

The path the air takes:
Injen Cold Air
Perrin Inlet
Stock TD04
STi & Samco "Y-Pipe"
TurboXS Top Mount w/Spray
STi Manifold
Stock Internals
Stock Exhaust Manifold
GrimmSpeed Up-Pipe
TiAL 38mm External WG
COBB Heatsheild with Blanket
HKS Downpipe w/Wrap
APEXi from the DP-out.

Suspension:
KYB GR2 Struts
Tanabe GF-210 Springs
Undercar H-Brace
Perrin Lockdown Kit

Brakes:
Hawk HPS Pads
Brembo Blank Rotors

Drivetrain:
SPEC #2 Clutch
SPEC Streetlight Flywheel
Kartboy Short Throw w/Bushings

So, I'm headed towards ESP. How's my list look?:

Brakes:
Braided Lines
Race Fluid

Suspension:
Coilovers
Rear Sway Bar

Tires:
Hoosier A6's

Interior/Saftey:
Recaro Pole Positon (2)
Recaro 5-Point Harness (2)
AutoPower Bolt-in Race Cage
Fire Suppression
Battery Disconnect

What else does this thing need?

Oh, yeah. I'm aiming for a Camaro SS.

sureshot007 · 10-15-2009, 10:28 AM

Are you only autox'ing it? If so, why bother with fire supression and roll cage?

Oh yeah, and if you want to do it right, just do everything mccance did.

thewerxracing · 10-15-2009, 10:41 AM

Well, I like hillclimbing, too. Who is this mccance you speak of?

mccanixx · 10-15-2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewerxracing

Who is this mccance you speak of?

I'm pretty sure you won't be able to do the external wastegate.

Here's a thread ESP Project I haven't updated it lately. Mainly cause I've been lazy, and it got a bit cluttered at the end. I'll get back into it as I switch to E85 and make a concerted effort at tuning the chassis.

Looks like you're off to a good start.

Cheers
McCance

Mechie3 · 10-15-2009, 12:15 PM

H brace and EWG have to go to be ESP legal. Water spray isn't legal either.

Didn't mention if any of your manifolds were PnP'd. Also recommend TGV deletes.

hilary0110 · 10-15-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewerxracing

Well, I like hillclimbing, too. Who is this mccance you speak of?

Really?

thewerxracing · 10-15-2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hilary0110

Really?

Really to.....? What Hillclimbing? Mccance? What are you talking about?

thewerxracing · 10-15-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

I'm pretty sure you won't be able to do the external wastegate.

Here's a thread ESP Project I haven't updated it lately. Mainly cause I've been lazy, and it got a bit cluttered at the end. I'll get back into it as I switch to E85 and make a concerted effort at tuning the chassis.

Looks like you're off to a good start.

Cheers
McCance

Thank you! Off to a good start is just what I wanted to hear. I have a winter to do this project so things are looking good. The Wastegate can go, thats not a problem. I'm sure Ill have plenty of questions for you....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechie3

H brace and EWG have to go to be ESP legal. Water spray isn't legal either.

Didn't mention if any of your manifolds were PnP'd. Also recommend TGV deletes.

The water spray and H-brace can get junked. No big loss on either of those two. What kind of bracing can we do then?

The Mani's are neither polished nor ported. I may do TGVs to get the spool time lower....

As for suspension, junk the KYBs, right?

09-30-2009, 03:14 PM	#1261
sureshot007 Scooby Specialist Member#: 142405 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: TeamHazardRally.com Vehicle: #716 Group5 S10	You blew your engine AGAIN?! Jeez, that's more than me I have a 12 lb flywheel and I think it makes a ton of difference. I love it. Launch issues were quickly corrected by adding launch control to the ecu. Last edited by sureshot007; 09-30-2009 at 04:09 PM.

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09-29-2009, 09:43 PM	#1251
Leonardo Cowabunga! Super Moderator Member#: 185 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, Fl Vehicle: 2014 Impreza Sport Ice Silver Metalic	Thanks! Thinking of getting a 07 wrx wagon and build it up for next season. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

09-30-2009, 02:43 AM	#1254
makofoto Scooby Guru Member#: 25243 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: South Pasadena, CA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy Outback Blue	The stock STI clutch is good .. get the Excedy (? spelling) one ... same as the more expensive STI labeled version.

09-30-2009, 09:16 AM	#1256
Blaze-65 Scooby Newbie Member#: 190655 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: San Antonio Vehicle: 2004 Impreza WRX Aspen White	Yeah I noticed exedy had a stock unit around 250 i believe ... that may be the way to go. I honestly don't have the spare cash, although I could save and get the street style package. I may just spend the saved money on a flywheel. I'm used to my clutch already, but I am curious to know what I have in the car already. It's definitely above stock and a bit stiffer ... I've had several WRX owners sit in my car and try the clutch out. oh yeah this is my car now

09-30-2009, 09:26 AM	#1257
Mechie3 Scooby Guru Member#: 120152 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Indy	How much benefit do you feel from a lightweight flywheel? My engine is out of the car now (it blew up....again) and the flywheel is all blue and has a fair number of surface cracks. Guess that's the cost of letting the wifey autocross the car when she's still learning to drive stick and launching the hell out of it.

09-30-2009, 11:40 AM	#1258
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2005 XT 5sp, 02 WRX 01 Legacy 95 Impreza L	I tend to think a LWF would negatively effect my launches.

09-30-2009, 03:05 PM	#1260
Mechie3 Scooby Guru Member#: 120152 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Indy	Since I don't do a lot (err...any as of late) pro solo's that don't have a hard launch into a straight, do you think the LW FW's benefits over the rest of the course outweigh a potentially worse launch?

10-15-2009, 10:25 AM	#1268
thewerxracing Scooby Specialist Member#: 141498 Join Date: Feb 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State	Okie Dokie. I need everyone's help. I'm selling my Autocross toy because I am sick of it. My E-Stock Prepped Porsche 944 is going away and I am going to move my daily driver into autocross duties. It's job as a DD will be taken over by a 2010 Impreza Hatch. What else would be needed (Tires/Sways/Saftey/etc) to make my DD into an ESP contender? So far: 2002 WRX Sedan The path the air takes: Injen Cold Air Perrin Inlet Stock TD04 STi & Samco "Y-Pipe" TurboXS Top Mount w/Spray STi Manifold Stock Internals Stock Exhaust Manifold GrimmSpeed Up-Pipe TiAL 38mm External WG COBB Heatsheild with Blanket HKS Downpipe w/Wrap APEXi from the DP-out. Suspension: KYB GR2 Struts Tanabe GF-210 Springs Undercar H-Brace Perrin Lockdown Kit Brakes: Hawk HPS Pads Brembo Blank Rotors Drivetrain: SPEC #2 Clutch SPEC Streetlight Flywheel Kartboy Short Throw w/Bushings So, I'm headed towards ESP. How's my list look?: Brakes: Braided Lines Race Fluid Suspension: Coilovers Rear Sway Bar Tires: Hoosier A6's Interior/Saftey: Recaro Pole Positon (2) Recaro 5-Point Harness (2) AutoPower Bolt-in Race Cage Fire Suppression Battery Disconnect What else does this thing need? Oh, yeah. I'm aiming for a Camaro SS.

10-15-2009, 10:28 AM	#1269
sureshot007 Scooby Specialist Member#: 142405 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: TeamHazardRally.com Vehicle: #716 Group5 S10	Are you only autox'ing it? If so, why bother with fire supression and roll cage? Oh yeah, and if you want to do it right, just do everything mccance did.

10-15-2009, 10:41 AM	#1270
thewerxracing Scooby Specialist Member#: 141498 Join Date: Feb 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State	Well, I like hillclimbing, too. Who is this mccance you speak of?

10-15-2009, 12:15 PM	#1272
Mechie3 Scooby Guru Member#: 120152 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Indy	H brace and EWG have to go to be ESP legal. Water spray isn't legal either. Didn't mention if any of your manifolds were PnP'd. Also recommend TGV deletes.