ESP - The competition

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by digitalseance

I was looking at swapping to the jdm scoop as to max out the rules but as mentioned above, it is not legal as it is considered aftermarket because it was not an option in the US. Disappointing being that you can put a jdm front end or any front spoiler/bumper on but not a hood scoop. I can see where they are coming from but if the car already has a scoop, I see no advantage really in going bigger except for looks.

Let me ask this question, since my adjustable shocks are adjusted at the top I have to remove the back of the rear seat to adjust them. Locally, nobody will challenge me because I keep the bottom of the seats in so technically there is still seats, just no back. Is this SP legal? I want to know before someone challenges me at a divisional because they hate subarus.

Mine are in the same place...I mount the seatback without "hooking" it in on each side...there is still a center hook that can be latched..that way you can "pull" the seat back enough to reach the adjusters...

Bill

* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

[AshyLarry]

My strategy (read laziness) is to just rest the back seat up and buckle the seat belts....

[waktasz]

Originally Posted by AshyLarry

My strategy (read laziness) is to just rest the back seat up and buckle the seat belts....

I've been doing the same for about 3 weeks pending taking my car in for alignment. Too lazy to bolt it back up right now They aren't going anywhere.

[KC]

I can see where they are coming from but if the car already has a scoop, I see no advantage really in going bigger except for looks.

There is an advantage. It allows more air over the heat sink.

--kC

[crystalhelix]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

Mine are in the same place...I mount the seatback without "hooking" it in on each side...there is still a center hook that can be latched..that way you can "pull" the seat back enough to reach the adjusters...

Bill

I put the bolts in their repective locations, rotate the heads of the bolts so the seat attachments fit over the bolt head but not underneath it. This way the seat is completely loose in there. I have had it this way for 2 seasons and the seat has never budged during a run.

[RainMaker]

Ohlins has a nice rear compression adjustment knob that is connected through a cable from above the rear seat to underneath. I've heard of a couple folks locally doing the same with their KWs (cept for its rebound) with some fabricated stuff. I don't adjust rebound as much as compression, so having inverted struts makes is a tid bit less usefull, but its nice to leave the seat hooked in all the way. So it's possible to be convenient and legal, you just have to be crafty or have a heavy wallet too.

[AshyLarry]

Ok, I'm back with another annoying proposition!

I was reviewing the SP rules and noticed something. 15.1c pretty much says you can interchange parts from different year/model cars as long as it was stock equipment on that car. Therefore I have to come to the conclusion that bugeyes can have JDM STi hoodscoops!

Now, tell me why I'm wrong...

[Chiketkd]

^
I'm not following your logic? Was the USDM bugeye ever sold in this country with the JDM STi hoodscoop? If the answer is no, then you cannot use it in SP.

[AshyLarry]

My thinking is that it doesn't specify that the model from which your replacing parts has to be from this country (or maybe it does somewhere else?). And since the STi scoop is stock on the JDM STi from 01-02 then it should be allowed.

[Chiketkd]

Originally Posted by AshyLarry

My thinking is that it doesn't specify that the model from which your replacing parts has to be from this country (or maybe it does somewhere else?). And since the STi scoop is stock on the JDM STi from 01-02 then it should be allowed.

The JDM Impreza isn't eligible for stock class in the SCCA. All stock class cars must be sold in the USA.

Someone made a post a while ago about where an imported Skyline GT-R would be classed in SCCA autox. The answer was AM.

[ULLLOSE]

Originally Posted by AshyLarry

My thinking is that it doesn't specify that the model from which your replacing parts has to be from this country (or maybe it does somewhere else?). And since the STi scoop is stock on the JDM STi from 01-02 then it should be allowed.

It does say that if it does not say you can then you cant.

15. STREET PREPARED CATEGORY
Cars running in Street Prepared Category must have been series
produced with normal road touring equipment, capable of being
licensed for normal road use in the United States, and normally sold
and delivered through the manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in the
United States. Cars not specifically listed in Stock or Street
Prepared Category classes in Appendix A must have been produced
in quantities of at least 1000 in a 12 month period to be eligible for
Street Prepared Category.

[AshyLarry]

Damn... I really want the stupid scoop but having to change it every event will drive me nuts. Oh well...

[KC]

Originally Posted by AshyLarry

Ok, I'm back with another annoying proposition!

I was reviewing the SP rules and noticed something. 15.1c pretty much says you can interchange parts from different year/model cars as long as it was stock equipment on that car. Therefore I have to come to the conclusion that bugeyes can have JDM STi hoodscoops!

Now, tell me why I'm wrong...

Read the 1st sentence in the street prepared rules. The very 1st sentence.

--kC

[AshyLarry]

Even still, does it say that parts used from other cars have to be from US cars? Obviously I'm not using a JDM car, just a part off of one...

These rules are starting to get really annoying...

[KC]

If you're going to "swap" parts from one car to another through update backdate, both the donor car and car you're modifying must have been available through dealers in the US AND Listed in Appendix A on the SAME line.

My thinking is that it doesn't specify that the model from which your replacing parts has to be from this country (or maybe it does somewhere else?). And since the STi scoop is stock on the JDM STi from 01-02 then it should be allowed.

You're looking to use a JDM Scoop from a JDM car that was never sold here under the guise of update/backdate (15.1.c) , right? Well, that JDM car is not, nor was it ever, sold here in the US... so no, you cannot use any parts from JDM cars unless the modifications you wish to make are specifically allowed through the rules such as: "Changing of hoodscoops is open".

Any updating or backdating of parts has to be from US cars as listed in Appendix A. Again, the 1st sentence. Besides, An STi and a WRX are on different lines in different classes ANYWAYS. It *STILL* wouldn't be legal even if you *could* update/backdate JDM cars. WRX != STi. 2 Different classes. (And at that, the STis listed in BSP are '04+ so even further making what you want to do... not doable.)

These rules are starting to get really annoying...

Actually, they're rather simple. You shoudl see the rule book my wife got in from the US Equestrian Foundation... yikes.

--kC

[Chiketkd]

Originally Posted by AshyLarry

Even still, does it say that parts used from other cars have to be from US cars? Obviously I'm not using a JDM car, just a part off of one...

These rules are starting to get really annoying...

You're beating a dead horse...

IMHO, the only way you can run a larger hood scoop legally in SP is to do a full exterior conversion to the '04-'05 front end or the '06-'07 front end.

[KC]

Originally Posted by Chiketkd

You're beating a dead horse...

IMHO, the only way you can run a larger hood scoop legally in SP is to do a full exterior conversion to the '04-'05 front end or the '06-'07 front end.

He's got a WRX... did they even have STi scoops as a factory option?

--kC

[Chiketkd]

Originally Posted by KC

He's got a WRX... did they even have STi scoops as a factory option?

--kC

He has a bugeye WRX which has a tiny hood scoop. The '04-'05 WRX scoop is larger, and the '06-'07 WRX scoop is the same size as the STI for these model years.

[10th Warrior]

Originally Posted by KC

You shoudl see the rule book my wife got in from the US Equestrian Foundation... yikes.

--kC

Originally Posted by Chiketkd

You're beating a dead horse...

Is that forbidden in the rulebook

[Chiketkd]

^
LMAO!

[KC]

Originally Posted by Chiketkd

He has a bugeye WRX which has a tiny hood scoop. The '04-'05 WRX scoop is larger, and the '06-'07 WRX scoop is the same size as the STI for these model years.

OK then.

[AshyLarry]

Ugh, well I know now you guys are right, but you can't blame me for trying! As for the rule book, simple and annoying are two entirely different things

[Impreza_AWDriver]

Not sure if anyone tried this angle yet.

The hood scoop is a functional part of the intake system, intakes are pretty much wide open in SP classes. Just because our intercoolers are on top of our motors doesn't mean we should be limited in the amount of air getting to it based on the scoop being deemed a JDM body mod. EVO's with front mounts are able to get better cooling by swapping in a bigger intercooler.
Why should TMIC's be penalized?

I know, I know, this is a bit weak, just trying another angle....

And yes, I put my OE one back on.
Last picture around here showed me with the JDM one.

[10th Warrior]

does air through the hoodscoop go anywhere other than into the engine? Its clearly part of the hood, not the intake.

[ULLLOSE]

Originally Posted by Impreza_AWDriver

Not sure if anyone tried this angle yet.

The hood scoop is a functional part of the intake system, intakes are pretty much wide open in SP classes. Just because our intercoolers are on top of our motors doesn't mean we should be limited in the amount of air getting to it based on the scoop being deemed a JDM body mod. EVO's with front mounts are able to get better cooling by swapping in a bigger intercooler.
Why should TMIC's be penalized?

I know, I know, this is a bit weak, just trying another angle....

And yes, I put my OE one back on.
Last picture around here showed me with the JDM one.

So when you get protested and you open your factory shop manual to show the PC that the hood is part of your induction system it will be in that section? They wont find the hood in section under bodywork? If someone was to call an order the complete "induction system" for your car or any year you claim to be doing an update/backdate with it will come with a hood?

Explain to me how a hood scoop that only feeds are to an inter-cooler has anything to do with induction? Does that air some how find its way into the intake system as well?

This is the reason the rule book is so big and full of crap now, they have to cover every angle for guys that cant work with the rules and think they need an edge.