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TheWRX · 04-30-2002, 08:07 PM

About the muffler: You can replace the muffler in any class. The rules are very vague about noise. "Any car deemed by the Event Chairman or his designated representative to be excessively loud shall not compete without acceptable modifications installed on the car." I think some regions have firmer noise restrictions.

This thread is intended for rule questions. If you want to start a discussion about if/when/how to protest, it might be better to start a new thread.

That being said: Pages 70-75 of the rulebook explain protests. I would go to an event official, they will at least be able to point you in the right direction. Each event has a protest committee, at our events the list of members is posted on the registration truck. If it's nothing major, especially at a local event, I would just go to the driver, and talk to him. I personally believe that it's always best to resolve issues in a constructive way if it's possible, and a protest might well result in bad blood.

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subyguy2 · 05-02-2002, 04:26 PM

All of my mods seem to fit into the DSP except two listed below, could someone help me out. I have full STi drivetrain mounts, this includes motor+tranny+pitch stop+diff mounts, and my rear seat is removed/with lap belts so the dont clank around on the metal. which class should I be running, DSM?

PLEASE HELP, thanks.

Chris.

ChrisW · 05-02-2002, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by subyguy2
All of my mods seem to fit into the DSP except two listed below, could someone help me out. I have full STi drivetrain mounts, this includes motor+tranny+pitch stop+diff mounts, and my rear seat is removed/with lap belts so the dont clank around on the metal. which class should I be running, DSM?

PLEASE HELP, thanks.

Chris.

The diff mounts are not legal in Street prepared. It looks like your either in Street mod, or possibly one of the prepared classes.

trhoppe · 05-02-2002, 05:29 PM

Yup, SM looks to be it for you.

subyguy2 · 05-02-2002, 10:54 PM

Oh well, doesn't affect how much fun Ill have, DSM it is.

Thank you guys for responding, I run this Sunday. second autocross!

Chris.

PaulC · 05-03-2002, 01:48 AM

Street Mod is not a "category" like Street Prepared and Stock. This means it is just one big catch-all class. There is a Modified category that is classed AMod - EMod.

subyguy2 · 05-03-2002, 11:01 AM

Cool, I just went to check out the rules, I looked at SM and SM2. Looks like Im in SM

. Rear seat removal allowed, diff mounts allowed, weight minimum 2,400 for AWD under 3 liters, and all of the allowances from Street Touring and Street Prepared carry over. Sweet. Thanks for everyones help.

Chris.

tailout · 05-03-2002, 10:04 PM

Best of all R-compound tires...!
I run the new Ecsta V700 and they are awsome!
STX will take a while to develope...Racing against some real(read experienced) competition in SM is the way to go for now!
last race...2nd place(by .098sec) to a fully prepped SS Camaro with a whole heck of alot of MOTOR !!!
Ran in the top 10's fast times all day! 22nd on the PAX!out of 126 cars!
tailout

ChrisW · 05-03-2002, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tailout
Best of all R-compound tires...!
I run the new Ecsta V700 and they are awsome!
STX will take a while to develope...Racing against some real(read experienced) competition in SM is the way to go for now!
last race...2nd place(by .098sec) to a fully prepped SS Camaro with a whole heck of alot of MOTOR !!!
Ran in the top 10's fast times all day! 22nd on the PAX!out of 126 cars!
tailout

see, that my arguemnt for ESP. You can beat those moostangs and F-bodies in ESP. It's been done without the help of the rain

ellisnc · 05-04-2002, 05:49 AM

the problem is just about anything you do to our motor puts you in SM... IC hoses, boost controller, ECU, decat

tailout · 05-04-2002, 08:18 AM

I was just checking our results page...there were only like 11-12 times faster than mine...
22nd on the PAX...does SM have a tough index?
tailout

RSmatt · 05-04-2002, 02:48 PM

Quick ? My cats are shot right now, and I was thinking of replacing it with a random tech hi-flo. I currently run DSP in local events. Will the hi-flo cat move me out of DSP and into SM or not?
I'm not really worried what class I run because I only do it for fun.
I just want to know the class in case I go to an SCCA event.

Later
Matt

ChrisW · 05-04-2002, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ellisnc
the problem is just about anything you do to our motor puts you in SM... IC hoses, boost controller, ECU, decat

no no no.... only the boost controller and ECU replacement would put you in SM.

If you use the Vishnu stage 0 without the boost controller, it's ESP legal (the pullys are questionable, but you should be ok)

ChrisW · 05-06-2002, 12:05 PM

Dussander · 05-06-2002, 02:00 PM

ChrisW,
Read the last sentance on this page from an article by one of our local hot shoes...
http://www.alscca.org/solo2/tips.shtml

I just thought that was funny.

ChrisW · 05-06-2002, 02:03 PM

I like his spelling better than mine

ChrisW · 05-08-2002, 11:23 PM

I need some opinions...

Based upon the brake rules can you modify the pedel assembly (throttle, brake & clutch)

looking at the rules, it's not clear. My plan to remove/hack and or otherwise modify the brake system depends on my ability to modify the pedel assembly. My plan is to remove the brake booster, in case your interested.

why you might ask.... ever try LFB while under boost?

the fall back plan (read: the most likely senario) would be to add a vaccuum resevior in front of the brake booster.

But still, can we modify the pedel assemby in the rules for street prepared?

KC · 05-09-2002, 09:01 AM

Chris,

http://moutons.org/sccasolo/Rules/sp.html#s146

That's a good question. The ruling says you CAN remove the brake booster. Whether the resulting product of doing this is legal or not is unclear.

IMHO, modifying the pedal assembly is not legal. The ol' "if it doesn't say it" rigamarole.

If your intent is local events, who cares? National events is where you may fall into problems. Big block guys in ESP don't like getting beat by turbo 4-bangers.

--KC

ChrisW · 05-09-2002, 10:18 AM

well, my intent is the nationals...

I think I can, I think I can, I think I can....

A couple of friends of mine entered the national tour in atwater. They didn't do to well, but it gave me a good indication of the level of compitition.

the question of the day is, in the street prepared rules, can I pull another 2 seconds on average? maybe. especially with more seat time.

PaulC · 05-11-2002, 02:59 PM

bump.

this should be sticky.

z3coupe · 05-11-2002, 04:49 PM

Well folks, come on out and help! On the StreetTouring mailing list, there is talk that STX needs to do well this year (its 1st year????), or it might not last till the next! This, next to SM, are the BEST classes to put modified WRX's in! It was darn near made for us. I will make another post just for this. The word needs to get out there!

veloLexus · 05-12-2002, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisW

no no no.... only the boost controller and ECU replacement would put you in SM.

If you use the Vishnu stage 0 without the boost controller, it's ESP legal (the pullys are questionable, but you should be ok)

Huh

I thought Vishnu stage 0 deleted a cat in the up pipe and I thought you couldn't do that in ESP?

Joe

TheWRX · 05-12-2002, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by veloLexus
Huh I thought Vishnu stage 0 deleted a cat in the up pipe and I thought you couldn't do that in ESP?

That's fine in SP. Rule 14.10.E: "Emission control devices may be modified or removed." And maybe 14.10.H: "Exhaust manifolds and muffler systems are free, except that they must be quiet and terminate behind the driver."

The cat-less uppipe is even legal in STX now, after the latest rule revisions.

ChrisW · 05-13-2002, 01:12 PM

I have a question on ECU replacement under street prepared.

This is not just a subie question but in general, can you replace the ECU with an aftermarket unit (direct replacement or by a chip)?

I am under the impresison that you can't and such a replacement would put you in SM. The reason I ask, is because aparently, some of the ESP members are running chipped cars at the recent national tour in atwater, CA.

I know that piggyback ECU's like the S-AFC and the unichip are legal, but a ECU replacement?

Zahnster · 05-21-2002, 01:29 PM

So the aluminum A-arms put me in SM or SP or what?

Where do you guys get all of this info, from the rule books($$) or is there somewhere online with this stuff?

Also, where would STi trailing and lateral links put me(they've got pillow ball mounts instead of bushings)

And, kartboy endlinks(aluminum and smaller than stock...(change of location of sway bar...?))

Dan

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05-21-2002, 01:29 PM	#100
Zahnster Scooby Specialist Member#: 2918 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Simi Valley, CA, USA Vehicle: 2002 Impreza WRX Silver Sedan	So the aluminum A-arms put me in SM or SP or what? Where do you guys get all of this info, from the rule books($$) or is there somewhere online with this stuff? Also, where would STi trailing and lateral links put me(they've got pillow ball mounts instead of bushings) And, kartboy endlinks(aluminum and smaller than stock...(change of location of sway bar...?)) Dan Last edited by Zahnster; 05-21-2002 at 01:44 PM.

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04-30-2002, 08:07 PM	#76
TheWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10279 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Vehicle: 2005 Lotus Elise Yellow, #94 SS	About the muffler: You can replace the muffler in any class. The rules are very vague about noise. "Any car deemed by the Event Chairman or his designated representative to be excessively loud shall not compete without acceptable modifications installed on the car." I think some regions have firmer noise restrictions. This thread is intended for rule questions. If you want to start a discussion about if/when/how to protest, it might be better to start a new thread. That being said: Pages 70-75 of the rulebook explain protests. I would go to an event official, they will at least be able to point you in the right direction. Each event has a protest committee, at our events the list of members is posted on the registration truck. If it's nothing major, especially at a local event, I would just go to the driver, and talk to him. I personally believe that it's always best to resolve issues in a constructive way if it's possible, and a protest might well result in bad blood. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

05-02-2002, 04:26 PM	#77
subyguy2 Scooby Specialist Member#: 8718 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Fairfax VA Vehicle: 2005 STi, SpecMiata 05 NASA SM - Most Wins	All of my mods seem to fit into the DSP except two listed below, could someone help me out. I have full STi drivetrain mounts, this includes motor+tranny+pitch stop+diff mounts, and my rear seat is removed/with lap belts so the dont clank around on the metal. which class should I be running, DSM? PLEASE HELP, thanks. Chris.

05-02-2002, 05:29 PM	#79
trhoppe Scooby Guru Member#: 7492 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Hotlanta, GA Vehicle: No race cars www.tomhoppe.com	Yup, SM looks to be it for you.

05-02-2002, 10:54 PM	#80
subyguy2 Scooby Specialist Member#: 8718 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Fairfax VA Vehicle: 2005 STi, SpecMiata 05 NASA SM - Most Wins	Oh well, doesn't affect how much fun Ill have, DSM it is. Thank you guys for responding, I run this Sunday. second autocross! Chris.

05-03-2002, 01:48 AM	#81
PaulC Scooby Newbie Member#: 12283 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: San Diego	Street Mod is not a "category" like Street Prepared and Stock. This means it is just one big catch-all class. There is a Modified category that is classed AMod - EMod.

05-03-2002, 11:01 AM	#82
subyguy2 Scooby Specialist Member#: 8718 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Fairfax VA Vehicle: 2005 STi, SpecMiata 05 NASA SM - Most Wins	Cool, I just went to check out the rules, I looked at SM and SM2. Looks like Im in SM . Rear seat removal allowed, diff mounts allowed, weight minimum 2,400 for AWD under 3 liters, and all of the allowances from Street Touring and Street Prepared carry over. Sweet. Thanks for everyones help. Chris.

05-03-2002, 10:04 PM	#83
tailout Scooby Newbie Member#: 6152 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: madison,indiana,usa Vehicle: 2005 STi Aspen White	Best of all R-compound tires...! I run the new Ecsta V700 and they are awsome! STX will take a while to develope...Racing against some real(read experienced) competition in SM is the way to go for now! last race...2nd place(by .098sec) to a fully prepped SS Camaro with a whole heck of alot of MOTOR !!! Ran in the top 10's fast times all day! 22nd on the PAX!out of 126 cars! tailout

05-04-2002, 05:49 AM	#85
ellisnc Scooby Specialist Member#: 4229 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Vehicle: 2003 S2000 Did someone say track day	the problem is just about anything you do to our motor puts you in SM... IC hoses, boost controller, ECU, decat

05-04-2002, 08:18 AM	#86
tailout Scooby Newbie Member#: 6152 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: madison,indiana,usa Vehicle: 2005 STi Aspen White	I was just checking our results page...there were only like 11-12 times faster than mine... 22nd on the PAX...does SM have a tough index? tailout

05-04-2002, 02:48 PM	#87
RSmatt Scooby Newbie Member#: 8039 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Feeding Hills, MA Vehicle: 94 v2 STi RA - RHD	Quick ? My cats are shot right now, and I was thinking of replacing it with a random tech hi-flo. I currently run DSP in local events. Will the hi-flo cat move me out of DSP and into SM or not? I'm not really worried what class I run because I only do it for fun. I just want to know the class in case I go to an SCCA event. Later Matt

05-06-2002, 02:00 PM	#90
Dussander Scooby Specialist Member#: 4798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Madison, AL, USA Vehicle: 2002 #61 STX or F125	ChrisW, Read the last sentance on this page from an article by one of our local hot shoes... http://www.alscca.org/solo2/tips.shtml I just thought that was funny.

05-06-2002, 02:03 PM	#91
ChrisW Scooby Specialist Member#: 4181 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: keeping santa cruz weird Vehicle: 2003 Lancer Evo 8 It's Blue, ok?	I like his spelling better than mine

05-08-2002, 11:23 PM	#92
ChrisW Scooby Specialist Member#: 4181 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: keeping santa cruz weird Vehicle: 2003 Lancer Evo 8 It's Blue, ok?	I need some opinions... Based upon the brake rules can you modify the pedel assembly (throttle, brake & clutch) looking at the rules, it's not clear. My plan to remove/hack and or otherwise modify the brake system depends on my ability to modify the pedel assembly. My plan is to remove the brake booster, in case your interested. why you might ask.... ever try LFB while under boost? the fall back plan (read: the most likely senario) would be to add a vaccuum resevior in front of the brake booster. But still, can we modify the pedel assemby in the rules for street prepared?

05-09-2002, 09:01 AM	#93
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: RI/SE Mass Vehicle: 25 Mazder CX70 00 S2k	Chris, http://moutons.org/sccasolo/Rules/sp.html#s146 That's a good question. The ruling says you CAN remove the brake booster. Whether the resulting product of doing this is legal or not is unclear. IMHO, modifying the pedal assembly is not legal. The ol' "if it doesn't say it" rigamarole. If your intent is local events, who cares? National events is where you may fall into problems. Big block guys in ESP don't like getting beat by turbo 4-bangers. --KC

05-09-2002, 10:18 AM	#94
ChrisW Scooby Specialist Member#: 4181 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: keeping santa cruz weird Vehicle: 2003 Lancer Evo 8 It's Blue, ok?	well, my intent is the nationals... I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.... A couple of friends of mine entered the national tour in atwater. They didn't do to well, but it gave me a good indication of the level of compitition. the question of the day is, in the street prepared rules, can I pull another 2 seconds on average? maybe. especially with more seat time.

05-11-2002, 02:59 PM	#95
PaulC Scooby Newbie Member#: 12283 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: San Diego	bump. this should be sticky.

05-11-2002, 04:49 PM	#96
z3coupe Scooby Specialist Member#: 13540 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dallas Vehicle: 2006 MKV GTI Black	Well folks, come on out and help! On the StreetTouring mailing list, there is talk that STX needs to do well this year (its 1st year????), or it might not last till the next! This, next to SM, are the BEST classes to put modified WRX's in! It was darn near made for us. I will make another post just for this. The word needs to get out there!

05-13-2002, 01:12 PM	#99
ChrisW Scooby Specialist Member#: 4181 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: keeping santa cruz weird Vehicle: 2003 Lancer Evo 8 It's Blue, ok?	I have a question on ECU replacement under street prepared. This is not just a subie question but in general, can you replace the ECU with an aftermarket unit (direct replacement or by a chip)? I am under the impresison that you can't and such a replacement would put you in SM. The reason I ask, is because aparently, some of the ESP members are running chipped cars at the recent national tour in atwater, CA. I know that piggyback ECU's like the S-AFC and the unichip are legal, but a ECU replacement?