('15+) New 2017 Impreza Owners - Impressions?

[bji]

Originally Posted by drpoop

Subarus don't lock doors when you drive off.

Thank god they don't. I never lock my car doors ('16 Impreza) and it would drive me crazy if they locked themselves all the time.

Regarding posters who are saying 32 mpg ... just keep in mind that if you're trusting the reading from the digital fuel economy read out, those (in my experience) are very optimistic. When I measure actual gallons used (when I fill back up again at the pump) the calculated mileage is always 1.5 - 2.5 mpg lower than what the digital readout says. And this is when the readout is at 24 mpg (yes I usually get 21.5 - 22.5 actual mpg, 5 speed MT with a somewhat heavy foot and I rarely drive on highways). When the readout is at 32 mpg I would expect the discrepancy to be even larger.

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[bji]

Originally Posted by 2.5~rs

My wife has a white 17 sport cvt and my 5spd lapis blue sport just showed up on a truck this morning. Being a Subaru sales rep I was able to fall for this car a while ago. So far I'm really impressed, the ride, sound system, handling, it's all great. A little disappointed the manual is a 5spd but having a clutch is good enough.

Mike

Please, you MUST tell us, does the '17 have rev hang???

I personally think the rev hang on my '16 is not excessive but it does contribute to a difficult 1st to 2nd shift. The large gearing ratio difference there combined with the reluctance of the ECU to drop revs quickly makes shifting reasonably quickly and smoothly quite difficult. I'd be interested in knowing how the '17 fares.

[KC]

Originally Posted by Dianoda

I'm still waiting for weathertech to begin offering floorliners for the new imprezas, crossing my fingers that they have them up for ordering by the end of February.

Don't forget to fill out the form on their site letting them know you're waiting.

I need the hatch liner.

--kC

[FLY_DMy]

Just had it tinted as well.
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[KC]

Originally Posted by FLY_DMy

Just had it tinted as well.

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Right click your image on screencast, select "view properties" or something similar, and then copy the URL, and surround it in

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tags. (If you quote this post, you'll see what I mean....

Just figured out yours... (big image, may want to think about resizing to around 1000w or 800w before linking).




--kC

[2.5~rs]

Originally Posted by bji

Please, you MUST tell us, does the '17 have rev hang???

I personally think the rev hang on my '16 is not excessive but it does contribute to a difficult 1st to 2nd shift. The large gearing ratio difference there combined with the reluctance of the ECU to drop revs quickly makes shifting reasonably quickly and smoothly quite difficult. I'd be interested in knowing how the '17 fares.

Unfortunately yes and it's very prominent, really hard to drive fast. Also, the hill holder is horrible. Starting out quick from the slightest of inclines results in a good buckaroo. I still love the car, the handling, the radio, the shifter. Here's to hoping Subaru or someone else figures out a fix for these issues.

Mike

[iii_xxi]

It was 2.4 I mean the pick up was okay but compared to the 27 sport it was garbage lol! I didn't know the car was crap when I first bought it, but hey you live and you learn

Originally Posted by drpoop

Did your Avenger have the 3.5L engine? I looked at that before I knew Chrysler products were total crap. Just didn't look like a fast car, but with 3.5L it SHOULD have been fast. Although it was just towards the end of the era where American cars had massive displacement and minuscule horsepower.

inb4 off topic

[iii_xxi]

I didn't use that I used the 1800 miles I've driven this far and the total gallons of gas Ive used thus far, I have kept every receipt for gas thus far, im a commuter mainly all highway and I need to know how much I'm spending in gas for the distance I drive vs my old car.. so far so good I'm under budget (budget being what I spent in a month on the old car)

Originally Posted by bji

Thank god they don't. I never lock my car doors ('16 Impreza) and it would drive me crazy if they locked themselves all the time.

Regarding posters who are saying 32 mpg ... just keep in mind that if you're trusting the reading from the digital fuel economy read out, those (in my experience) are very optimistic. When I measure actual gallons used (when I fill back up again at the pump) the calculated mileage is always 1.5 - 2.5 mpg lower than what the digital readout says. And this is when the readout is at 24 mpg (yes I usually get 21.5 - 22.5 actual mpg, 5 speed MT with a somewhat heavy foot and I rarely drive on highways). When the readout is at 32 mpg I would expect the discrepancy to be even larger.

[binnkim]

Originally Posted by 2.5~rs

Unfortunately yes and it's very prominent, really hard to drive fast. Also, the hill holder is horrible. Starting out quick from the slightest of inclines results in a good buckaroo. I still love the car, the handling, the radio, the shifter. Here's to hoping Subaru or someone else figures out a fix for these issues.

Mike

I thought this problem was unique to 2015 model. Guess not.
It's really sad that Subaru hasn't figured out these things. These are "minor" but these annoyance accumulate because these issues are experienced daily.

Subaru seriously needs more competition.. (almost) all other car manufacturers figured out how to make these things smooth and nice.

[bji]

Originally Posted by iii_xxi

I didn't use that I used the 1800 miles I've driven this far and the total gallons of gas Ive used thus far, I have kept every receipt for gas thus far, im a commuter mainly all highway and I need to know how much I'm spending in gas for the distance I drive vs my old car.. so far so good I'm under budget (budget being what I spent in a month on the old car)

OK good to know, that is really good mileage then. I hope I can achieve close to that when I do almost all highway driving on my cross country trip this summer!

Oh by the way given that you've used actual measurements for fuel economy, how do you find the mileage gauge on the car? Is it accurate for you?

Originally Posted by 2.5~rs

Unfortunately yes and it's very prominent, really hard to drive fast. Also, the hill holder is horrible. Starting out quick from the slightest of inclines results in a good buckaroo. I still love the car, the handling, the radio, the shifter. Here's to hoping Subaru or someone else figures out a fix for these issues.

Mike

Regarding the hill holder, you can disable that on the prior generation Imprezas, and I'm assuming you can do so on the '17 as well. There will be a nagging dash light I think but you can probably disable that too if you have wire cutters and are not afraid to use them.

Originally Posted by binnkim

I thought this problem was unique to 2015 model. Guess not.
It's really sad that Subaru hasn't figured out these things. These are "minor" but these annoyance accumulate because these issues are experienced daily.

Subaru seriously needs more competition.. (almost) all other car manufacturers figured out how to make these things smooth and nice.

It's my understanding that rev hang is a common issue for many MT cars made by many manufacturers these days. I chalk it up to nobody really giving love to MT cars anymore and not being willing to spend the money necessary to really tune the MT driving experience.

[FLY_DMy]

Originally Posted by bji

It's my understanding that rev hang is a common issue for many MT cars made by many manufacturers these days. I chalk it up to nobody really giving love to MT cars anymore and not being willing to spend the money necessary to really tune the MT driving experience.

I think that is a valid point, when the MT market accounts for less than 7% these days, and given (however unfortunate) CVT's are more efficient, the tide is turning from a manufacturer's attention standpoint.

[bji]

Originally Posted by binnkim

I thought this problem was unique to 2015 model. Guess not.
It's really sad that Subaru hasn't figured out these things. These are "minor" but these annoyance accumulate because these issues are experienced daily.

Subaru seriously needs more competition.. (almost) all other car manufacturers figured out how to make these things smooth and nice.

Originally Posted by FLY_DMy

I think that is a valid point, when the MT market accounts for less than 7% these days, and given (however unfortunate) CVT's are more efficient, the tide is turning from a manufacturer's attention standpoint.

Not to derail this discussion, but are CVTs really more efficient? Or is it just that they can be tuned by the manufacturer to favor using less power at a given throttle position?

With my manual I can wind it out as hard as I want to. If there's no one in front of me, I tend to shift above 3k. When entering the highway I tend to go all the way to 4.5 - 5k. It just feels right to wind it out so that the shifts are not bang-bang-bang one right after the other.

But with a CVT (which I've never driven so forgive my ignorance here), the car could totally be like, push my pedal as hard as you want, until you floor it I'm just not going to maximize power output, unless given the most emphatic of throttle inputs.

I'm really just wondering if the greater fuel efficiency of the CVT version doesn't come down, at least partly, to a softer "tune", with Subaru expecting that if you bought a CVT, you don't expect a "sprited" driving experience. But if you buy the MT, well we'll give you more direct throttle control since you need it to properly engage a clutch and also because, if you bought the MT you probably care about throttle response.

Of course there's the fact that the CVT also has a better highway rating, which kind of puts some holes in my theory, because the throttle input is likely to be fairly static on the highway most of the time ... maybe the final gearing ratio differences between CVT and MT come into play there?

[2.5~rs]

I disabled my hill holder this morning. SOOO much nicer, even standard starts on flat ground seem better. My wifes CVT seems to be more efficient. I haven't been able to compare much but it's quicker using a few different bench marks, and it gets better MPG. I'd still rather have the clutch though.

Mike

Originally Posted by bji

Not to derail this discussion, but are CVTs really more efficient? Or is it just that they can be tuned by the manufacturer to favor using less power at a given throttle position?

With my manual I can wind it out as hard as I want to. If there's no one in front of me, I tend to shift above 3k. When entering the highway I tend to go all the way to 4.5 - 5k. It just feels right to wind it out so that the shifts are not bang-bang-bang one right after the other.

But with a CVT (which I've never driven so forgive my ignorance here), the car could totally be like, push my pedal as hard as you want, until you floor it I'm just not going to maximize power output, unless given the most emphatic of throttle inputs.

I'm really just wondering if the greater fuel efficiency of the CVT version doesn't come down, at least partly, to a softer "tune", with Subaru expecting that if you bought a CVT, you don't expect a "sprited" driving experience. But if you buy the MT, well we'll give you more direct throttle control since you need it to properly engage a clutch and also because, if you bought the MT you probably care about throttle response.

Of course there's the fact that the CVT also has a better highway rating, which kind of puts some holes in my theory, because the throttle input is likely to be fairly static on the highway most of the time ... maybe the final gearing ratio differences between CVT and MT come into play there?

[bji]

Originally Posted by 2.5~rs

I disabled my hill holder this morning. SOOO much nicer, even standard starts on flat ground seem better. My wifes CVT seems to be more efficient. I haven't been able to compare much but it's quicker using a few different bench marks, and it gets better MPG. I'd still rather have the clutch though.

Mike

That makes me sad. I love rowing the gears and it upsets me that it's less fuel efficient and slower.

[Commander Keen]

That makes me sad. I love rowing the gears and it upsets me that it's less fuel efficient and slower.

It isn't either. Manual MPG ratings are skewed by the EPA's ridiculous shift points, dating back to the 70's. A skilled driver on the manual can easily beat the EPA's ratings or the CVT's 0-60.

[bji]

Originally Posted by Commander Keen

It isn't either. Manual MPG ratings are skewed by the EPA's ridiculous shift points, dating back to the 70's. A skilled driver on the manual can easily beat the EPA's ratings or the CVT's 0-60.

You're just saying that to make me feel better

Just kidding. Thanks for the addional info. I really don't know why my fuel economy is so bad though. 21 - 23 mpg (actually measured, not going by the untrustworthy mpg indicator in the car) and although I am a *little* heavy footed, I would say that I drive fairly sedately most of the time. Almost no "steady" highway cruise though, I'm in California and even when I get on the highway, it's usually during rush hour and if not stop-and-go, is certainly not a "put it on cruise control" experience, ever.

I should make it clear that, although this is a '17 thread, my car is a '16. Also I should realize that I'm completely derailing this thread and I will stop now. No more off-topic posts I promise.

[idic5]

Originally Posted by FLY_DMy

I wanted to pass on another one of my initial issues/resolutions.

When I took delivery of my 2017, the dealer had given me a pretty cool (except the color), multi-adapter USB cable because my phone was almost dead.

After leaving the dealership I thought I would use my new USB cable to check out Android Auto.

Wrong!!! After plugging it into my Samsung 7, the icon for Android Auto was just as "Grey" as before.

I checked settings on the phone and Infotainment, but kept coming back to the cable. At one point I had tried (3) different cables!!!

I knew I didn't have (3) bad USB cables, and I was right - I didn't even have (1) bad cable, I just didn't have one cable of the right specification.

I went out and bought a Belkin a Mixit Lightning Charge and Sync cable and voila~ Problem Solved!!!

It would appear based on my troubleshooting that a std 2.0 USB to Micro cable will not work. Would need to be of 3.0 USB spec, there is even a 3.1 USB spec out now (with universal orientation) meaning "not keyed" or ie: you can't plug it in wrong. But we probably won't see many of those devices/cables for a while yet.

Not suggesting Belkin necessarily but found mine at Walgreens for like $9.00 and was glad to have this resolved.

Here is another option (if you a Fry's in your neighborhood):
http://www.frys.com/product/7734058?...q6gaAt0I8P8HAQ

Hopefully I can save someone else the trouble.

my son has an s7 and in the dealer try out of the imp '17 , he plugged it into the usb port and he clicked a few buttons and got android play workin just fine

[idic5]

Originally Posted by 2.5~rs

Unfortunately yes and it's very prominent, really hard to drive fast. Also, the hill holder is horrible. Starting out quick from the slightest of inclines results in a good buckaroo. I still love the car, the handling, the radio, the shifter. Here's to hoping Subaru or someone else figures out a fix for these issues.

Mike

a video from , i believe, consumer reports, said the rev hang is minimal in the '17. i am trying to find that video

EDIT
so perhaps CR was talking about a CVT?

[idic5]

Originally Posted by bji

OK good to know, that is really good mileage then. I hope I can achieve close to that when I do almost all highway driving on my cross country trip this summer!

Oh by the way given that you've used actual measurements for fuel economy, how do you find the mileage gauge on the car? Is it accurate for you?



Regarding the hill holder, you can disable that on the prior generation Imprezas, and I'm assuming you can do so on the '17 as well. There will be a nagging dash light I think but you can probably disable that too if you have wire cutters and are not afraid to use them.



It's my understanding that rev hang is a common issue for many MT cars made by many manufacturers these days. I chalk it up to nobody really giving love to MT cars anymore and not being willing to spend the money necessary to really tune the MT driving experience.

'MT' ?
EDIT
manual transmission

i must have had a rev hang in my brain. so is the reb hang limited to mt ?

[drpoop]

Originally Posted by Commander Keen

It isn't either. Manual MPG ratings are skewed by the EPA's ridiculous shift points, dating back to the 70's. A skilled driver on the manual can easily beat the EPA's ratings or the CVT's 0-60.

Tell me how to do this in a CVT. Tried a billion different launch methods and atmospheric conditions, my best 0-60 in my 2012 is like 10.1 seconds even though it's rated at 9.5 I think.

[drpoop]

Alright **** it I'm going to start arguing with myself since NASIOC insists on telling me there are new replies in this thread.

Originally Posted by drpoop

Tell me how to do this in a CVT. Tried a billion different launch methods and atmospheric conditions, my best 0-60 in my 2012 is like 10.1 seconds even though it's rated at 9.5 I think.

Maybe you should lose some weight fatass

[2.5~rs]

I've noticed my 5spd getting better performance and fuel economy as I burn through this first tank of gas. Maybe it's all in my head but it feels torqueyer. Cruising speed on the highway gets mid 30's for gas mileage but driving around town is pretty low in the 20's

Mike

[idic5]

anyone have any ideas to correct these issues post purchase.

1) prem trim has no CD player ; Any way to connect a CD player to the sound system in case he has a book on CD or whatever else he might seek to listen to - whether subaru or 3rd party after purchase?

2) the subie cloth seats were kind of uncomfortable - compared to the competing '17 Civic car . Any ideas or links to sites for leather or some other comfortable custom reupholstery , at least in the driver seat - whether w/ subaru or 3rd party?

[nrosenth]

Originally Posted by idic5

1) prem trim has no CD player ; Any way to connect a CD player to the sound system in case he has a book on CD or whatever else he might seek to listen to - whether subaru or 3rd party after purchase?

All trims come with an aux jack in the center console arm rest. He can plug a Walkman into that.

As for the seats, I have the cloth seats in my '17 Sport and I find them quite comfortable but to each their own.

[nrosenth]

Windows look good! Is that 50%? 35%? I've been considering tinting.

Originally Posted by FLY_DMy

Just had it tinted as well.