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Old 06-07-2006, 05:42 PM   #51
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Yeah, some diligent searching on NASIOC will find several studies on people who have tested intake temps before and after the eBay TMIC, as well as people who have tested surface temps on several areas of the TMIC with a infrared thermometer to see if running without a splitter has a negative affect, flow rates, etc, etc.

I thought the original eBay TMIC was nice, but not something I'd fuss with. But I'm glad I checked up on it again, cuz I'm loving my new one.

Still, I'd like to find a good shroud solution....

(PS: I agree, it's a total bolt-on solution. Everything lined up for me, nothing to bend, nothing to finagle, all the bolt holes were tapped properly, etc. It's just that TMIC-TB coupling hose I'd recommend people change.)
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:47 PM   #52
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So Dave who makes the ssautochrome TMIC cores?
keifsmomz

And it doesnt matter who makes it. The only thing that matters is how it works.

And it works very well. It works just as well as MUCh more expensive TMICs. I owned the $$$$$$ TurboXS tmic. It didnt work any better than this one.

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Old 06-07-2006, 05:49 PM   #53
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I stand by my ass wiping comment 100%
I just think the edit makes it more of a doucheslap

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Old 06-07-2006, 05:51 PM   #54
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What he said ^^^

I got the $200 Ebay TMIC and added a SMC meth/water injection kit and making way more power than I would with any other TMIC or FMIC alone. Granted I could make a little more power with a FMIC + meth, but this setup is awesome. Also, fitment was almost perfect.

I can also vouch that the Perrin FMIC looks nice, but the pipe routing wasn't well thought out and rubs and can't be fixed. My buddy has one and had to make some padding for the pipes so holes don't get rubbed through them. Other than that it is a good intercooler.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:53 PM   #55
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What he said ^^^

I got the $200 Ebay TMIC and added a SMC meth/water injection kit and making way more power than I would with any other TMIC or FMIC alone. Granted I could make a little more power with a FMIC + meth, but this setup is awesome. Also, fitment was almost perfect.
Great, but the issue here is Ebay IC's not alcohol injection. A large part of the gain came from the injection and tune.
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:58 PM   #56
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yeah once you throw alch injection into the mix, you cant say what part of the gains came from the IC itself.

That said, you can take a look at a core, and have a good idea of how it will flow. This core flows a LOT better than stock, which is 80% of the gains of an upgraded TMIC itself.
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:05 PM   #57
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Great, but the issue here is Ebay IC's not alcohol injection. A large part of the gain came from the injection and tune.
I realize that meth and tune were the greatest power adders and I hope noone runs this TMIC without some type of tune/em.

I have never had a name brand TMIC on my car, so I can't compare the performance alone to the Ebay TMIC. A name brand intercooler may have better cooling efficiency than this intercooler, but considering the $500 price difference I'll take the Ebay TMIC any day. THEN, if you want you can use the extra $500 and buy a meth kit and walk all over ANY name brand intercooler no problem.
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:08 PM   #58
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THEN, if you want you can use the extra $500 and buy a meth kit and walk all over ANY name brand intercooler no problem.
Exactly.
Civicboy can go spend his extra 500 on a name brand, Ill spend it on alch injection and pick up 30whp more than him.

"how did you beat me??? I spent more money that you did because I did research!!!!11!"
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:14 PM   #59
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Oh and civicboy, APC!!???? ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME???

Anyone that would talk quality, and APC in the same sentance should have their head examined. Go back to friggin pep boys and alteeza tail lights.

APC is GARBAGE.

APC, bringing you the cutting edge in stickers, liscence plate frames and $25 fartcans


And if you meant APS, you should still be slapped for the horrific typo. C is not in a place you would hit it by accident when going for S.


BTW, not saying that APS is always the best product on the market, but the fact that you "APS is not a product you would consider" and then your horribly ill informed thought process on the APS inlet hose (which in itelf proves how little you actually understand about how these things work) is proof enough that anything you say, can immediately be written off as incorrect. Your statements on the issues you have with the APS inlet, those are complete non issues. There is no problem there with flow.
The absolute fact of the matter is that ALL the aftermarket inlet hoses make the same power and flow equally well. The problems come in with hoses collapsing.
Samcos have done it (very rare)
Perrins do it
GPmotos almost always fo it or so it would seem
The APS CANNOT do it. You speak of the diameter of the flowpath, this demonstrates that you lack the understanding of the "weakest link in the chain" problem. Tell me, What is the diameter of the inlet on your turbo?

Like I said, APS products are not always the best choice, as most of the time they have the exact same functionality of other brands, and they are VERY costly most of the time. But to write them off for a misconception is just... Well I dont even know how to respond to that

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Old 06-07-2006, 06:31 PM   #60
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^^^I think he meant APS, though I'd still take APC over SSAC^^^

This may be the best TMIC for the money, I don't know and I never will cuz I'd never buy one based on SSAC's reputation and what I have seen of their products (albeit not TMIC's) in the past. EVERY exhaust manifold that I've seen of theirs has broken.....and not even at the welds, but the metal just kinda rips apart. To say that this isn't a "wear item" is not entirely true, it will be subjected to pressures of double (or more) that of atmospheric pressue. In all honesty, I hope this TMIC is the best kept secret in the Subaru world and works wonders for you, I on the other hand am not willing to take a chance with my hard earned money on a company known for shoddy workmanship and horrible customer service. Like the old saying goes "Buy it nice or buy it twice"
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:33 PM   #61
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^^^I think he meant APS, though I'd still take APC over SSAC^^^

This may be the best TMIC for the money, I don't know and I never will cuz I'd never buy one based on SSAC's reputation and what I have seen of their products (albeit not TMIC's) in the past. EVERY exhaust manifold that I've seen of theirs has broken.....and not even at the welds, but the metal just kinda rips apart. To say that this isn't a "wear item" is not entirely true, it will be subjected to pressures of double (or more) that of atmospheric pressue. In all honesty, I hope this TMIC is the best kept secret in the Subaru world and works wonders for you, I on the other hand am not willing to take a chance with my hard earned money on a company known for shoddy workmanship and horrible customer service. Like the old saying goes "Buy it nice or buy it twice"
Yeah their manifolds suck. Most of their stuff sucks, no one is debating that.
But their track record here with their fmics and so far, the TMICs is great. There were a couple fitment issues and things you need for fitment on the FMIC that werent included at first, but he is now including it all, and all based on feedback from nasioc members.



The thing is, I have bought/used several items that people said were junk because they were cheap. They almost always worked fine, and lasted just fine.

Tell me, what it is that can wear out on an intercooler
I understand the burst issue, but this core is not a way thin walled core. It will most definately hold the kind of boost 99% of us run. (21-22lbs or less)
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:46 PM   #62
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actually, I have seen their FMIC's rip apart on a DSM setup running 25psi. Maybe it was a fluke, but the endtank on the one I saw literally ripped away from the core...again, not at the welds
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Old 06-07-2006, 06:46 PM   #63
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Hey Dave what shroud and splitter are you using along with the ebay TMIC??

It would be pointless to run that new ebay tmic without a bigger shroud, even worse, no shroud at all like someone else was speaking of.

Just curious.
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:20 PM   #64
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Hey Dave what shroud and splitter are you using along with the ebay TMIC??

It would be pointless to run that new ebay tmic without a bigger shroud, even worse, no shroud at all like someone else was speaking of.

Just curious.
You'd be surprised, do some reading and you'll find that a few people have done temperature tests and it hasn't made a world of difference. Sure it would be better to have a properly sealed shroud and splitter setup. But it's not going to make the drastic difference some people think it will. I will be doing some experimentation as well and will post my results...


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Old 06-07-2006, 07:25 PM   #65
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To me it would seem like a directed flow would have a world of a difference, but then again I have no proof of that. It's just the fact that the air would actually be more dispersed rather than directed, but real world results are hard to predict. There is only a certain amount of air flowing in, it would only seem reasonable to direct as much as possible to the IC.

Please post your results!

I would like to know if I need to spend a little extra time creating a shroud, or if it's completely unnecessary.
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I always thought a bigger intercooler would cause more lag and lose alittle boost?? How are you guys getting better spool and throttle response over the stock unit?

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Old 06-07-2006, 08:56 PM   #67
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Oh and civicboy, APC!!???? ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME???

Anyone that would talk quality, and APC in the same sentance should have their head examined. Go back to friggin pep boys and alteeza tail lights.

APC is GARBAGE.

APC, bringing you the cutting edge in stickers, liscence plate frames and $25 fartcans


And if you meant APS, you should still be slapped for the horrific typo. C is not in a place you would hit it by accident when going for S.


BTW, not saying that APS is always the best product on the market, but the fact that you "APS is not a product you would consider" and then your horribly ill informed thought process on the APS inlet hose (which in itelf proves how little you actually understand about how these things work) is proof enough that anything you say, can immediately be written off as incorrect. Your statements on the issues you have with the APS inlet, those are complete non issues. There is no problem there with flow.
The absolute fact of the matter is that ALL the aftermarket inlet hoses make the same power and flow equally well. The problems come in with hoses collapsing.
Samcos have done it (very rare)
Perrins do it
GPmotos almost always fo it or so it would seem
The APS CANNOT do it. You speak of the diameter of the flowpath, this demonstrates that you lack the understanding of the "weakest link in the chain" problem. Tell me, What is the diameter of the inlet on your turbo?

Like I said, APS products are not always the best choice, as most of the time they have the exact same functionality of other brands, and they are VERY costly most of the time. But to write them off for a misconception is just... Well I dont even know how to respond to that
For a second there I was like... WTH did he find APC in my posts... heh, looks like I mistyped, and C is only what, 1.5 keys away from S. Gimme a break Mr. Perfect. Also, since all the other discussions involved APS as a brandname you'd think you had the brainpower to realize it was just a typo. Anyway, not only that, but show me where APC even makes a TMIC for a WRX. Yeah, that's what I thought... logicaly incorrect there as well.

Anyway, SSA blows in quality in my eyes... if you guys love them, by all means... get them. That company has to make money somehow right... knockoffs is a big industry... supported by poor people.

Good day everyone.

Oh yeah, one more thing... seems I'm not the only one that had a typo...
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How much is the APC unit again?

Whats that - like $1200?

Oh thats right, you can get 5 of these intercoolers for the "better fitment" of the APC unit. Congratulations!

If you took up the ability to read, you'd also learn that as I said and the gentleman above said, along with everyone in the 30+ page review, there are no longer any fitment issues with the SSautochrome version.

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Old 06-07-2006, 09:14 PM   #68
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I always thought a bigger intercooler would cause more lag and lose alittle boost?? How are you guys getting better spool and throttle response over the stock unit?

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Needs to be tuned
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Wow - 3 page thread about my ****ing car?
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Wow - 3 page thread about my ****ing car?
Turn off the noob settings! It's only 2 pages amigo...

JRSCCivic98. A fool and his money are soon parted. A rich fool parts with even more of it! You're right, knockoffs are a big business, supported by people watching their pennies. Brand name products are a big business too, supported by people who like spending their money on a name...I like to call them rich fools.

SSAC makes crap when it comes to most things but there are a few products that are hard to screw up. ICs, strut bars, that kind of thing... I would never dream of buying anything from SSAC besides an IC or something else simple that has been tested by others and works fine. Their headers for instance...known to crack...wouldn't touch them.

Their customer service doesn't exist but if you can save $500 and get an intercooler that functions just as well why the hell wouldn't you?

Oh yeah, doesn't say versace on it...forgot. Do you have a gucci print intake filter too?

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Oh yeah, doesn't say versace on it...forgot. Do you have a gucci print intake filter too?

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No... it's Louis Vuitton.
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I have no doubt that Ebay TMIC is better, performance-wise, than the tube and fin stocker, but it isn't a rebadged APS. I have it and the quality is about what you would expect for the money - large gaps in the fins at the bottom and top of each row, inconsistent gaps between the fins, frequent manufacturing defects, scratches galore on the outside. Not only that, if it is defective you are SOL as you will get no response whatsoever from the company. If you are a budget, I'd take a chance on it. But if the price of the APS is not too much of a stretch for you, I'd go with it instead.
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No... it's Louis Vuitton.
we need a group buy stat!


back on topic though. I hate to say it but i like the bling of my cusco strut bar i got for 50 bucks( )....theres no way this IC will fit with it?

EDIT: I was just looking around on ebay and i saw the GODSPEED tmic and it looks like the same exact thing. Is it?

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back on topic though. I hate to say it but i like the bling of my cusco strut bar i got for 50 bucks( )....theres no way this IC will fit with it?

EDIT: I was just looking around on ebay and i saw the GODSPEED tmic and it looks like the same exact thing. Is it?

I'm running an sti rep strut bar, no fitment issues at all. The godspeed tmic has been buyers 2nd choice and have had decent luck with it, but it's not the same thing.


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I always thought a bigger intercooler would cause more lag and lose alittle boost?? How are you guys getting better spool and throttle response over the stock unit?

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Less pressure drop.
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