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Old 10-12-2009, 03:04 PM   #651
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Old 10-12-2009, 03:07 PM   #652
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You answered your own question. Take some time, read through the two threads, and see the fail date list; and make an educated decision. From what I have seen on here, an october build date should be in the clear.
That's what I have gathered from doing my research, this one just so happens to be in a color I want, with the options I want, just the build date is closer to the failed list (that has been posted in 1st post).

So I think I am going to buy it.
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Old 10-12-2009, 07:30 PM   #653
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I am looking to buy a new 09 WRX hatch, build date is 10/10/2008. Should I buy? More or less I am saying, is Aug-Sept 2008 build dates are the ones not to buy, this is October.
It's not red (like all the other ones sitting in KS right now), and it will be in KS this coming weekend and I am eager to buy, been like almost 2 months w/out a car, need my 3rd impreza wagon, errrrr hatch .
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July and August are the bad ones. I think there was only 1 September failure, and that was very early in the month. October should be fine. Enjoy the new car!!!
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Old 10-13-2009, 08:50 AM   #654
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in to see if some 2010's bite the dust as little brother is interested in buying one in a few months.
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:43 AM   #655
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ignoring the anomaly of the one september build date,. would we think its feasible that some very late August build dates could be in the clear as well?
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Old 10-13-2009, 12:03 PM   #656
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Its possible that some June and July builds will be fine. Since the issue seems to be a cleanliness spec, it seems reasonable that some cranks would be clean enough not to destroy the bearings.
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:41 AM   #657
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Hi Everyone,

Partially, I'm marking this thread for my own reference - but the other is because I wanted to ask if there's a more comprehensive list, here on NASIOC, to which I could add the information of our 2009 Forester XT, which was conclusively diagnosed with this very same issue, and just had its longblock replaced.

Here's an outlink to my post on SubaruForester.org :

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...32-post88.html

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction - I tried a few searches using the search engine (I'm not a noob to Forums, despite my low post-count here ), but nothing struck gold.

If y'all feel that this is where I should leave my info. (VIN, build date, etc.) as well, I'd be more than glad to do so.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:09 PM   #658
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Hi Everyone,

Partially, I'm marking this thread for my own reference - but the other is because I wanted to ask if there's a more comprehensive list, here on NASIOC, to which I could add the information of our 2009 Forester XT, which was conclusively diagnosed with this very same issue, and just had its longblock replaced.

Here's an outlink to my post on SubaruForester.org :

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...32-post88.html

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction - I tried a few searches using the search engine (I'm not a noob to Forums, despite my low post-count here ), but nothing struck gold.

If y'all feel that this is where I should leave my info. (VIN, build date, etc.) as well, I'd be more than glad to do so.
I mean, we've have had spotty reports on failures across the whole 2.5L range in 08 and 09.. But, the FXT shares more with the 2.5GT and not the WRX. This makes me think you unfortunately fell into the 'manufacture defect' range -- and not this particular issue.

That being said, it might be interesting to know your 09's build date. We are now 99.9999999% certain this issue falls into only 07/08 and 08/08 and early 09/08 builds of the WRX ONLY. If this was for all engines on this platform, we would of heard of some LGT failures by now.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:34 PM   #659
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I mean, we've have had spotty reports on failures across the whole 2.5L range in 08 and 09.. But, the FXT shares more with the 2.5GT and not the WRX. This makes me think you unfortunately fell into the 'manufacture defect' range -- and not this particular issue.
Sorry, a bit confused...

I re-read the OP, indeed, this thread does not pertain to the "Stop Sale" issue, which affected all 2.5L turbo variants, which was what I initially thought it referenced, as the in-link to:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1648372 - including the various YouTube videos, documents pretty much the exact problem that our Forester suffered.

- which, of course, upon detailed reading, also does not pertain to the "Stop Sale" on the '08s.



I guess my confusion stems from the "Stop-Sale" order addressing '08 vehicles, but the VIN-range/build-date also, if I'm not totally mistaken, covers some 2009 vehicles as well.

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That being said, it might be interesting to know your 09's build date. We are now 99.9999999% certain this issue falls into only 07/08 and 08/08 and early 09/08 builds of the WRX ONLY. If this was for all engines on this platform, we would of heard of some LGT failures by now.
I'll definitely check my build-date, but I can confirm via my participation in LegacyGT.com as well as SubaruForester.org that other vehicles have suffered what's suspected to be the same problem.... There was just a new post, yesterday, on SF.org, with an engine failure that, currently, sounds like it's the same problem.

Is there a thread that takes into account the other vehicles, sorta like a "total list?" From reading the past posts on this thread, it seems like you were involved with this from an early date - do you remember if there were other threads?

Thanks again.

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Old 10-15-2009, 09:35 PM   #660
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I have a 2009 WRX, Vin ... 804336 Built 08/08. Engine failed yesterday with about 13,000 mi on the odometer. Got committment to a new long block today. Fun fun.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:11 AM   #661
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Sorry, a bit confused...

I re-read the OP, indeed, this thread does not pertain to the "Stop Sale" issue, which affected all 2.5L turbo variants, which was what I initially thought it referenced, as the in-link to:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1648372 - including the various YouTube videos, documents pretty much the exact problem that our Forester suffered.

- which, of course, upon detailed reading, also does not pertain to the "Stop Sale" on the '08s.



I guess my confusion stems from the "Stop-Sale" order addressing '08 vehicles, but the VIN-range/build-date also, if I'm not totally mistaken, covers some 2009 vehicles as well.



I'll definitely check my build-date, but I can confirm via my participation in LegacyGT.com as well as SubaruForester.org that other vehicles have suffered what's suspected to be the same problem.... There was just a new post, yesterday, on SF.org, with an engine failure that, currently, sounds like it's the same problem.

Is there a thread that takes into account the other vehicles, sorta like a "total list?" From reading the past posts on this thread, it seems like you were involved with this from an early date - do you remember if there were other threads?

Thanks again.
From what I understand -- the stop sale was for completely different reasons. The WRX engine issue is a Manufacturing error with a new bearing material.

I mean, there could be a correlation -- but the WRX issue is so predictable, vs the Stop-Sale cars which seem to be a lil more hit or miss.

Either way, I would talk to SOA. They have been great to all of us here -- which sorta helps counteract the suck factor of the failure.
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Old 10-17-2009, 01:46 PM   #662
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Either way, I would talk to SOA. They have been great to all of us here -- which sorta helps counteract the suck factor of the failure.
^ Our dealer treated us very, very well. Granted, this is our third Subaru from them (and they also maintain good relations with our local Subaru club, too), but my wife actually wrecked the loaner ('09 Forester X Premium) - and they not only paid for the tow, with no questions, but also took an '09 Jetta 2.5 Sport out of their sister dealership's loaner fleet, when we came in with the wrecked Forester (the Subaru Service Dept. wasn't open on Saturday, so they couldn't access the loaner fleet).

Certainly, the new longblock arrived without a single question at all. Despite the fact that they could see that the vehicle did carry a few ICE/aesthetic modifications, they never even once asked about powertrain mods (which, luckily, I never pursued).

I've heard of similar good-care from Subaru, for other LGT as well as FXT owners with engine failures.

Subaru seems to really be making-good.

We lease my wife's vehicles (which included her immediate past vehicle, an '05 WRX sedan, 4EAT, which, like my 5MT '05 LGT, never saw even an hour in a shop), so we didn't really pursue any kind of remediation from Subaru for the FXT's troubles. As far as I know, in every case where there was trouble, Subaru did provide the vehicle's owners with good compensation.

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From what I understand -- the stop sale was for completely different reasons. The WRX engine issue is a Manufacturing error with a new bearing material.

I mean, there could be a correlation -- but the WRX issue is so predictable, vs the Stop-Sale cars which seem to be a lil more hit or miss.
Gotcha - thanks for the re-direction.

Given your confirmation of how I'm reading this thread (or, rather, having mis-read ), I think that I won't further confuse the issue, and will not post my VIN/date/info. here. I'll see if I can find a more comprehensive thread.

Hope this thing with the '09 Rex's gets figured out.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:05 PM   #663
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Chalk up a new one... "Knock of Doom" kicked in at 10,050 miles. Vin # jf1gh76609g803493
I'm not sure if a drop in air filter counts out as a mod, but whatever, engine is toast. Had the tow today and will soon know about the replacement block shipment. Piston rod or similar went out and I didn't even notice on the highway, only once I came to the first stop sign a block from my house. Dealership has been very accommodating with the loaner and even pulled some free labor when they reassemble the beast with new stuffs, lol. That and a free tank of gas to burn for the week are fair in my book. Plus I'll be back at 0 miles, LOL. Ok, I'm not all that excited seriously... But trying to look at the bright side since it is what it is.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:52 PM   #664
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^ sorry to hear, but not unexpected- don't forget the extended warranty (through Subaru- not your dealer)
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:51 PM   #665
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Plus I'll be back at 0 miles, LOL. Ok, I'm not all that excited seriously... But trying to look at the bright side since it is what it is.
ODO Mileage is per chassis/vin -- not engine...

And yeah -- I wish I had them upgrade to STI mounts and pitch stop while they had my car in there -- Since it would be criminal for them to charge for labor on those while swapping the engine... I still kick myself for not doing that.
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Old 10-24-2009, 01:12 PM   #666
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What't the current tally ? 110, 120 ?
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How many had mods and were put back to stock to bring back to dealer?
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:22 PM   #668
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What't the current tally ? 110, 120 ?
I'd say that's pretty close
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Old 10-25-2009, 05:49 PM   #669
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How many had mods and were put back to stock to bring back to dealer?
This list is only for people who had engine failures with STOCK engines (no tunes, DP, etc)...
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Old 11-05-2009, 09:49 AM   #670
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I no longer have the time or energy to keep this list updated. I've edited the first post with the data in a way someone can copy and paste it, allowing someone else to take it over.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:26 PM   #671
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File a complaint with NHTSA. Here is the link: Do your part and maybe Subaru of America will start standing behind their cars instead of putting owners through hardship.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

This should be in the FIRST post of the thread and sent out to EVERYONE that has had a failure.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:44 AM   #672
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How is this a safety related defect?
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:11 PM   #673
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How is this a safety related defect?
You are trying to merge into nasty traffic and your only means is by downshifting and accelerating to squeeze in ahead of some other car. While accelerating, your engine seizes and all 4 wheels lock up as you are merging into traffic causing a 10 car pile up.

Purely hypothetical.
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You are trying to merge into nasty traffic and your only means is by downshifting and accelerating to squeeze in ahead of some other car. While accelerating, your engine seizes and all 4 wheels lock up as you are merging into traffic causing a 10 car pile up.

Purely hypothetical.
The issue doesn't result in a seize.. Nor do I think it really could... So, this is beyond hypothetical...
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You live in Montana (or other remote locale) and your driving to Grandma's house with your spouse and two young children for Thanksgiving and your car dies. There is no cell phone coverage and little to no traffic on the road. That would probably qualify as a legitimate safety concern.
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