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Old 07-20-2009, 03:27 PM   #1
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Like it or not, after a long absence, BMW may bring four-cylinder engines back to the U.S. to help it meet stricter fuel economy standards. According to Bloomberg, rather than make an even stronger case for clean diesel engines, (which Americans just canít seem to embrace), BMW is seriously contemplating a return to smaller engines.

BMW 1 Series: Likely Engine Candidate

About half of BMWís models worldwide have diesel engines: the 1 Series, 3 Series, X3 , and the entry level version of the midsize 5 series sedan. In the U.S., BMW offers a six-cylinder turbo-diesel engine on two models: the BMW 335d and the BMW X5 xDrive35. A four-cylinder BMW diesel that produces 204 hp was named Europeís engine of the year in 2008 but itís not offered here. Most obvious candidates for a downsized engine would be either the 1 Series and/or 3 Series compact sedans.

Pristine Four-Cylinder From 1972 BMW 2002 tii

While older BMWs that used four-cylinder engines were notoriously underpowered, modern twin-turbocharged four-cylinder engines are capable of around 200 horsepower, or roughly the same amount as current six-cylinder engines. Unfortunately, they also cost more to make. BMW stopped importing four-cylinders into the U.S. in 1999
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Old 07-20-2009, 03:37 PM   #2
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I would welcome this. BMW can make a sweeet 4 banger.
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Old 07-20-2009, 03:46 PM   #3
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Bring the P45.



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Old 07-20-2009, 03:59 PM   #4
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Small diesel 3-series touring, do want.
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:02 PM   #5
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Bring on the 4's... as long as it also comes with an appropriate amount of weight reduction too.



Here's a semi-related question:


Do you guys think that we'll ever see unassisted power steering in cars again?


(I am assuming that power steering has been pretty much standard on every car sold in the US for many years now (except for maybe Lotuses and the Miata), but if weight goes down, why not get rid of the power steering too?)
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:09 PM   #6
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Bring on the 4's... as long as it also comes with an appropriate amount of weight reduction too.



Here's a semi-related question:


Do you guys think that we'll ever see unassisted power steering in cars again?


(I am assuming that power steering has been pretty much standard on every car sold in the US for many years now (except for maybe Lotuses and the Miata), but if weight goes down, why not get rid of the power steering too?)

I personally do not care. My last 3 Civics didnt have it. The EP3 SiR had electric rack. which saved quite bit of weight as well. Thats most likely the trend.
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:19 PM   #7
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Bring on the 4's... as long as it also comes with an appropriate amount of weight reduction too.



Here's a semi-related question:


Do you guys think that we'll ever see unassisted power steering in cars again?


(I am assuming that power steering has been pretty much standard on every car sold in the US for many years now (except for maybe Lotuses and the Miata), but if weight goes down, why not get rid of the power steering too?)
Interesting question, but I don't think so. In the American psychie, i think such a move would be seen as a step back (de-contenting the car), along the same lines as how they cannot seem to get over their preconceptions about the new clean diesel engines that are available.

Look at the current thought today of bigger vehicles = more features...

This stubborn conception I think is part of the reason why people have a hard time with forking out more for smaller premium cars which come loaded with features traditionally found in some road-going land yachts of today.

If the car is light enough to get by without power steering, I don't really care personally. There are however some vehicles on the road today, in which I would not want to be caught trying to maneuver around in a tight parking lot without power steering...
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In this day and age, there is no reason why BMW should not bring a 4 cylinder back to the US. Even Audi is throwing a 2.0T in the A5.

If Subaru and Mitsubishi can get 300HP out of a 4, then I'm sure BMW can get a proper power output for a 3 series NP.
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:49 PM   #9
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123d please!
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S14 was one sweet 4 banger.
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:26 PM   #11
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I want 123d in USA...
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If Subaru and Mitsubishi can get 300HP out of a 4, then I'm sure BMW can get a proper power output for a 3 series NP.
Considering the gas mileage of Subaru's 300 hp 4 bangers, there's not much reason for BMW to make a 300 HP 4 cylinder engine. They're getting the same mileage from their 3.0./300 hp engines.
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Considering the gas mileage of Subaru's 300 hp 4 bangers, there's not much reason for BMW to make a 300 HP 4 cylinder engine. They're getting the same mileage from their 3.0./300 hp engines.
The gas mileage (or lack of it) has more to do with the physics of the car than the engine in it. The Impreza has lackluster aerodynamics and a lossy drivetrain, and that hurts fuel economy everywhere...
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:13 PM   #14
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The gas mileage (or lack of it) has more to do with the physics of the car than the engine in it. The Impreza has lackluster aerodynamics and a lossy drivetrain, and that hurts fuel economy everywhere...
But it also lacks direct injection...Subaru is still running on old tech...with tweaks.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:38 PM   #15
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But it also lacks direct injection...Subaru is still running on old tech...with tweaks.
totally agree, even the most recent Subarus, old school power, old school turbo, old school tranny
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