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Old 02-18-2017, 02:04 AM   #26
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Me too. I personally would have suggested you I do think, however, that if you had a good enough DP, that WHEN they bring a 5door, you'd make out OK with a trade.
It has nothing to do with DP or making out good on "trades". There is always loss, even on a well depreciating asset. Subaru has great residual/resale but you still lose money. Depreciation, interest, TTL, and any $ you spend on it even on something as simple as tint. Horse trading is horse trading, unless you are on "the list" buying FMC Ferraris, you lose. If you know you are short term, lease the most cost effective solution as you can beat buying any day of the week, if you're slick, and leave vehicle ego out of it. Otherwise, buy something you'll keep long term.

I have two vehicles picked out and I'll figure out the winner. One is long term and costs more than WSX, one is short term, and 1/2. Neither are Subarus but both are Japanese brand vehicles, one N/A built, the other Japan.
I have "enough" to go get my GT350 right now, putting a nice DP, but a homeowner duties take precedence, as well as judicious application of finances. If I wanted to be irresponsible my Shelby would be in the garage right now. Instead, I'll watch depreciation.
Booby could solve the dilemma with an existing product though. I'd be as happy as a pig with fresh slop being skurried about Miggs style.
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Old 02-18-2017, 02:20 AM   #27
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Old 02-18-2017, 05:17 AM   #28
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Sounds like you have your priorities straight Pre. I've also thought about just throwing some cash at the gt350 since that is the car I want the most right now within reach. Takes a lot of willpower to just sit on liquid funds but my wife and I are looking at the "forever house" now so any mechanical toys are on hold. Thus the wrx. I went round and round driving everything between 20-50k looking for exactly what I want. Nobody makes it and it's infuriating. Subaru does piss me off with the levorg thing and the cvt only forester xt. I must have driven the xt 5 times and each time I thought about settling but I just couldn't do it. If I'm giving up on a large part of "fun to drive" by going with an auto/cvt, there is nothing keeping me with Subaru. There are just much better cars out there.

Knowing this car was going to be just to get through the next 3-4 years, I picked the car that could carry my family while still checking the fun to drive box that also had the lowest depreciation. I figure at the end of the day, I'll end up paying 2k/year for the pleasure of driving a wrx which isn't bad. Bought for 29k(limited 6mt), hope to sell for 22k in 4 years. ~$166/mo isn't bad. Hard to beat the residual value of Subaru. I think I'm going back to a base model forester and maybe a Supra/gt350 in a few years. I've concluded no one car can do it for me. I was happiest when I had a forester and non-broken supercharged brz.
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:28 PM   #29
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Sounds like you have your priorities straight Pre. I've also thought about just throwing some cash at the gt350 since that is the car I want the most right now within reach. Takes a lot of willpower to just sit on liquid funds but my wife and I are looking at the "forever house" now so any mechanical toys are on hold. Thus the wrx. I went round and round driving everything between 20-50k looking for exactly what I want. Nobody makes it and it's infuriating. Subaru does piss me off with the levorg thing and the cvt only forester xt. I must have driven the xt 5 times and each time I thought about settling but I just couldn't do it. If I'm giving up on a large part of "fun to drive" by going with an auto/cvt, there is nothing keeping me with Subaru. There are just much better cars out there.

Knowing this car was going to be just to get through the next 3-4 years, I picked the car that could carry my family while still checking the fun to drive box that also had the lowest depreciation. I figure at the end of the day, I'll end up paying 2k/year for the pleasure of driving a wrx which isn't bad. Bought for 29k(limited 6mt), hope to sell for 22k in 4 years. ~$166/mo isn't bad. Hard to beat the residual value of Subaru. I think I'm going back to a base model forester and maybe a Supra/gt350 in a few years. I've concluded no one car can do it for me. I was happiest when I had a forester and non-broken supercharged brz.
Extremely similar methodology to mine and why I ordered one. Same reasoning, almost a mirror. Only differences are I'm in my forever house now. Only home I've lived in, in my entire life. I chose wisely, and my commute is one mile. Today I get the luxury of signing a contract to remodel the hole in my backyard, 5 figures, and I will not be financing a g damn cent of it. I couldn't afford a new R35, wish I could, but a Shelby, yeah, we could do that. But I'm going through the proper-tah inch by inch for the long term. Talk about financial restraint. Just picking contractors is an exercise in futility. About like hooking up a metal wire between high rises, finding your stick, and walking that mf'er.

The other difference is I'm not gonna support them in their current stance. I have use/need for a hatch, I love them for their utility/versatility, and they have been my preferred body style for 25 years. I work too hard for my money. Your methodology is sound. Mitigating loss, while driving something at least in your ballpark. I just refuse to give them a f'ing dollar. And I'm tired of horse trading, because there is always loss no matter what. My GR was bought for 4k under invoice, and 0%. A steal. But there was still loss, I still lost money. A friend of mine, who is way more frugal than me, made a point one time to me over the phone. He said something to the effect of you'd have 2, 3 or 4 vehicles if you would have just kept x, y, or z instead of trading every few years. Rarely do I get shined by anyone, and he shined my arse up real good with that. He had a point that stuck with me. I learned to let go of my vehicle ego "I have to drive at least x", and it was liberating to no longer give two good f's what anyone thinks. I decided there are only two choices. Buy only things you will keep. If that isn't possible, then break out the calculator and spend as little as possible.
And that's what I have been doing for 3 years. I've only bought a tank of gasoline, for a 4 wheeler, once, in the last 3 years. That was 7 days after I lost my GSD k-9 unit to Leukemia. I had to rent a Hertz special to drive and pick up a rescue Maligator from an officer out of my metro. Having working dogs is why I need a f'ing hatchback in the first place. Sedan can be done, but it's a PITA, and tying down a crate just isn't as safe as a hatch or wagon with factory tie downs. The Levorg has all sorts of outstanding sheot in the hatch, my GR had enough too.

Rex needs at least a map to fix rev hang, and fixing that means tempting fate with warranty. The stereo in them, HK or not, is terrible, and financially you lose the least on a base. That goes for most vehicles. Options just don't hold value like the rest of the car. So day 1 I got several things to fix, which requires money. I had ordered a premium for obvious reasons. I start running the numbers. Cost, fixing those things, then there is tint, radar mount, tire road hazard warranty, typical sheot, and Booby paint is so soft and fragile I'd prefer to wrap the front end. Well I'm piloting the wagon behind a team of horses and pulled the reigns. Can't support their performance more defined in the sedan segment boolockasheot. If that were true the Golf R and Focus RS would both be sedans, they aren't.

Similar to you...my happiest vehicle days were when I had the gen 1 Ridgeline for my DD and a S2000 parked right next to it. Booby made it possible to go to one vehicle with the GR. When they don't offer a hatch, well they aren't the only AWD game in town any longer, especially for a DD. And I understand the break, but it's been 3 years. You've got what I want/need on the menu, you just refuse to serve that dish at your biggest restaurant. Well fine then, I don't need to eat there anyways. I'll acquire something else, and when I drive by your location I'll lower my window, extend my arm out the fursthest it will go, and give you my middle finger....because you won't see a f'in red cent from me.
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Old 02-18-2017, 09:11 PM   #30
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Yep,yesterday, done. I just can't buy another car from them when the Levorg exists and SOA won't bring it for us. Just can't do it.

Notice how regulars here have bought one and moved on quickly? thill, scraps, etc? I paid attention. For the money it can't be beat but it's the wrong body style. I just can't support it. I buy that car and I'm telling them it's ok. No, and I told the sales mgr. why, and he passed it on to the GM. I told them something to the effect of "F'ing SOA" and "Levorg". Maybe they'll call SOA and tell them this no hatch stance is costing them sales. I specifically told him, that Subaru can send that damn thing to the Phillipines but not here? We are 60% of your business worldwide. WTF?

You know bad I want a stick again, some hp/tq, and AWD? I haven't had a performance 4 wheeler in 5 years dude. No AWD for 5 years. No stick for 3.
I want some performance awd manual shifting so bad I can taste it, like a fat kid wants cake, like trailer trash wants a case of natty light. That bad, and I deuced out. It makes absolutely no sense for me to buy something I'm just gonna sell or trade in. Lost TTL $, lost % on a loan, depreciation, just getting too old to waste my money on sheet I'm not happy with. In this segment, performance is defined in the hatchback segment, see the main two competitors. They aren't f'ing sedans. At this point I'd take a CVT only Levorg. I mean the cable 6spd manual in the WRX would fit without hardly blinking an eye, but if we had the 296HP 2.0L Levorg CVT, I'd buy it right now, and I'm no CVT fan.

I don't settle. Not for a woman, not for anything. Settling with thirty grand on the line? That's a lot of money to spend and not get exactly what you want and what they used to make. Only with cars do people throw sense out the window, and it's because they think in terms of payments instead of actual, factual cost. Interest money, tax, title, license, depreciation, running cost, insurance cost. I'm getting old I guess, for the last 3 years I've driven the most cost efficient vehicle on the road with a bumper to bumper warranty. It's a POS but it's dirt cheap. If I can't get something I really want, that I want to keep long term, and have some pride in, then wtf am I doing buying it in the first place?
Try finding a low mileage Legacy GT wagon w/manual. Unicorns, but can be found.

Note, even Levorg would tick all your boxes - the damn thing is basically refreshed Legacy GT wagon but sans manual transmissions. Without one, even if they brought it here, I could not care less. CVT. Pffft.
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