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Old 05-18-2010, 04:12 AM   #1
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We're beginning to hear the first rumblings about the next round of updates to the Nissan GT-R, and if the rumors are to be believed, Nissan's goal of keeping pace with the refreshed Porsche 911 Turbo (and its S sibling) will continue through the 2012 model year.

As with its German counterpart, the R35 is expected to undergo a host of evolutionary changes, including some reworked aero bits, suspension and brake upgrades, and a retuned 3.8-liter twin-turbo V6 that's likely to output over 500 horsepower and 450 pound-feet of torque.

The exterior updates will likely be limited to a new front splitter, rear diffuser and a revised wing, all in an effort to increase downforce and drop lap times. And about those lap times...

We've heard from our sources on the ground in Germany that the revised GT-R underwent a new round of testing at the Nurburgring last month and that the newly estimated lap times were (of course) below the original GT-R's 7:26 run. How low? We're hoping to find out when it arrives early next year
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Old 05-18-2010, 04:16 AM   #2
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splendid..wonder what the price difference will be and if they will beef the tranny up any. I feel like we are being left in the dust ! I also wonder if they will adjust anything on the 370z since it's getting romped in the HP area by newer model vehicles.
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:37 AM   #3
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The only thing that needs adjustment on the 370Z is the too-high price.

The VQ is already at its limit, so don't expect more power...
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:04 AM   #4
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I really like the GT-R and had once thought about getting one used at some point but the maintence cost alone is crazy, after about 20k miles or so depending on use (alot lower with track use of course) you need to replace the rotars and pads with a dealer price of $6k or aftermarket of over $3k (parts alone on the aftermarket).

Let alone all the various fluid flushes and special maintenance required. While it has supercar performance for a much more modest entry price it also has supercar maintence costs to go with it.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:09 AM   #5
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The only thing that needs adjustment on the 370Z is the too-high price.

The VQ is already at its limit, so don't expect more power...
Exactly, the 370Z should start in the mid $20's. $35K for a 370Z is too much.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:30 AM   #6
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And $38K for an STi isn't too much?
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:51 AM   #7
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The only thing that needs adjustment on the 370Z is the too-high price.

The VQ is already at its limit, so don't expect more power...
Actually, it has been shown via aftermarket that the VQ is not at it's limit even at 3.5L. It was just easier and cheaper to get a power increase with a displacement change vs other engineering options not including F/I.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:23 AM   #8
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I really like the GT-R and had once thought about getting one used at some point but the maintence cost alone is crazy, after about 20k miles or so depending on use (alot lower with track use of course) you need to replace the rotars and pads with a dealer price of $6k or aftermarket of over $3k (parts alone on the aftermarket).

Let alone all the various fluid flushes and special maintenance required. While it has supercar performance for a much more modest entry price it also has supercar maintence costs to go with it.
This is true and all, but even for the Subaru STi, the dealer prices are simply insane for parts such as replacement OEM Brembo rotors, pads and the like...

Enough to drive many who do not know to go poking around for aftermarket options for cheaper replacement parts away from the car.

Unfortunately, if one wants supercar performance, you kinda have to pay the piper...
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:30 AM   #9
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Wonder if it'll be faster than the LF-A. That'd make it even more of a failure.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:33 AM   #10
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Wonder if it'll be faster than the LF-A. That'd make it even more of a failure.
It almost doesn't even matter, the LF-A is so absurdly overpriced. The only thing I give to Lexus on that one is the LF-A V10 sounds amazing. GT-R sounds pretty awesome too but damn that V10 is like car porn.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:51 AM   #11
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It almost doesn't even matter, the LF-A is so absurdly overpriced. The only thing I give to Lexus on that one is the LF-A V10 sounds amazing. GT-R sounds pretty awesome too but damn that V10 is like car porn.
You can thank Yamaha for that V10 and it's engine note.

Sorry Lexus, nice try.
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:38 PM   #12
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And $38K for an STi isn't too much?
of course it is. i wouldnt pay more than $29k for a new one considering what you can get for that kinda money these days: mustang gt, camaro ss...etc.

but speaking of overpriced cars, carrera4, weighing over 3200lb and having only 345 hp, its sticker starts at $85k. thats what i call insane. for that price i think it should weigh only 2800 lb having only 345 hp... but then again we all know how much the GT2 costs.
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:07 PM   #13
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Your arguments on the LF-A are dumb, true story. The car has been discussed at length in here and if you did your research you would know why they did it. And why it cost so much. Its not in the same class nor should it be compared to a GT-R.
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Old 05-18-2010, 05:24 PM   #14
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Actually, it has been shown via aftermarket that the VQ is not at it's limit even at 3.5L. It was just easier and cheaper to get a power increase with a displacement change vs other engineering options not including F/I.
I'm talking reliability, not output potential.

The 3.5/3.7L VQ's are MUDEROUS on oil. Unless it goes dry-sump oiling, the VQ is essentially tapped-out.

The aftermarket cares not a whit about a factory warranty...
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:20 PM   #15
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It almost doesn't even matter, the LF-A is so absurdly overpriced. The only thing I give to Lexus on that one is the LF-A V10 sounds amazing. GT-R sounds pretty awesome too but damn that V10 is like car porn.
The Lexus is about engineering, not about performance really. Think about it...the GTR is MADE for the track. The LF-A was an experiment in carbon composite technology and engine design (redesign really, they didn't create anything new...they just made it way better).

Think some more. DCT transmissions? F1 trickle down tech. Knowledge gained from building the LF-A could in the future be used to downsize without sacrificing performance, etc. etc..


Anywayyyy, GTR are secks and the VQ is a POS.
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:37 PM   #16
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Good news. It would be nice to see if they made a real lightweight version too.

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Old 05-18-2010, 11:28 PM   #17
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Your arguments on the LF-A are dumb, true story. The car has been discussed at length in here and if you did your research you would know why they did it. And why it cost so much. Its not in the same class nor should it be compared to a GT-R.
To build on your point... 911 Turbo shouldn't be compared either IMHO - completely different car and demographic. I might consider a 911 TT for a DD, but I wouldn't consider a GTR. However, of the people running in my local car circles - those who would/did buy a GTR love to compare it to the 911 TT
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:04 AM   #18
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While it has supercar performance for a much more modest entry price it also has supercar maintence costs to go with it.
Still, its maintenance costs aren't as bad as the costs of, say, a Ferrari. It's just that the scaled down MSRP of the car isn't as reflected in the maintenance, which is still slightly better than your run-of-the-mill six-figure supercar, but expensive for your average car costing $70-80k... though you can't expect a car of that price range with the capabilities of the GT-R to still have regular maintenance costs of other cars in that price range. It's not much different than the Evo's maintenance, which is cheap for what kind of numbers it puts up but pretty pricey for a car whose MSRP hovers in the low $30k range.

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Exactly, the 370Z should start in the mid $20's. $35K for a 370Z is too much.
While $35k does seem pretty steep, mid-20s, while nice, is highly unrealistic for a car of this caliber. Even the original 287 hp 350Z base model was a tad closer to being high-20s than mid-20s.

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And $38K for an STi isn't too much?
Well, the higher-end STIs will come in at that, though of course the STI Special Edition starts at $32,995. I believe the base models were being discussed.

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Wonder if it'll be faster than the LF-A. That'd make it even more of a failure.
It actually already is. The recent Motor Trend test produced some of the slowest acceleration times I've seen for the GT-R, which had typically been doing more like 11.6 or so in the quarter.

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Its not in the same class nor should it be compared to a GT-R.
But I'm sure you understand why they get compared. Their performance, while delivered in completely different manners, is pretty comparable, despite their significantly different price tags and target demographics. Even publications like Road & Track mixed it up like that at times, having an issue where they did that with an Evo IX MR and a Cayman S, out of all pairings. One was twice the price of the car that ended up being quicker around their test track.
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You can have that GT-R right now with an exhaust and tune to 530 HP EZ
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:34 PM   #20
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since when do they price cars based on power/weight ratios??

are the price of your pants based on how much fabric and thread was used to make them??
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:48 PM   #21
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You can have that GT-R right now with an exhaust and tune to 530 HP EZ
or you can have a new one with full warranty.
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Old 05-19-2010, 08:50 PM   #22
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You can have that GT-R right now with an exhaust and tune to 530 HP EZ
that will void the warranty of your $80k car. prob not something you wanna do. considering even putting a bodykit or non-stock tires on the car will avoid the warranty, this car is
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:39 AM   #23
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Come to think of it, the front of the Gtr looks kind of bland.
The back is still pretty. A new facelift will make it come alive again.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:50 AM   #24
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agreed. the GTR is very similar to the concept. and the concept came out in what, 2006? i mean the most i've seen this car is in magazines but its definitely time for a facelift.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:51 AM   #25
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Come to think of it, the front of the Gtr looks kind of bland.
The back is still pretty. A new facelift will make it come alive again.

I wouldnt hold my breath....that car was designed with aerodynamics in mind...every curve you see is there for a reason...even the side mirrors are molded with this in mind
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