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Old 05-29-2008, 03:16 AM   #1
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Default Stpr 2008 running of a stage PART 2 - CANCLED

Canceled - Canceled - Canceled - Canceled - Canceled-

Did no one read the words that I wrote in the first post I made?
Please READ this entire post before judging it.

If you did you would have seen that the road I was proposing to run is NOT a stage this year. It was a stage in the past years. That is why I suggested running this year so some "enthusiasts" could see what a stage road looks like.
That is what we have done before, use a public road NOT a stage road that will be run that year.

I also said that there MAY BE locals on the roads at any time so discretion is to be used.
I NEVER said to go "bombing up and down the roads."
I DID say that I run “A” speed which if some don’t know is 45mph. Now that is not the whole time, on a straight I may go that fast. I used that as a reference for people who knew what “A” speed meant. I also said people who want to just take it easy go after people who would like to go a little faster so we don’t get on each others asses, to be safe.


"Making like Makinen on (un-closed) stage roads, and publicly advocating smuggling alcohol into a militantly "no booze" event are not exactly helping the situation."

I DID state that "The state has a law that there is NO Alcohol allowed in the forest." What people do I have no control over. That’s why I said NO Alcohol, and just some pops are what we have done in years past.

"best way for STPR fans to support the rally is to play by the rules, or stay home. You have no idea how close this historic rally is to being history."

I do know how close it is to being history, being from the FLR I know the dramatic changes that have been made the past few years. That is why I thought this would be a GOOD thing to do. So as a group we are aware of all the issues and do it in somewhat of a controlled environment. So there aren't as many "enthusiasts" out "Bombing" around on the roads like you know dam well will happen every year.

I also said "Anyone is welcome, this is for fun and to get together as a group. NOT as a race to see who gets to the water first."

This post originally started on a Subaru Club web page as a “Meet and Get-Togehters” event. I thought (wrongly apparently) I would share it with more people to have a nice “Get-Together” and enjoy it with like minded people.

So I thought I made things pretty clear but if I offended anyone or impeached on any ideals people may have about someone trying to make things fun AND responsible, I am sorry, but read this entire post and go back to the original post and hopefully you can see that I in no way meant any of this in a reckless manor.

Sorry and Thanks for listening to my babbling
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:23 AM   #2
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well, as you know there's a really fine line between being a rally fan, enthusiast, having fun in the woods spectating, bombing around enthusiastically, etc...and effin up out there by making a mess large enough to affect the whole event

sounds like you DO realize these issues, thanks for clarification, have fun out there but be careful. drive the back roads with brains engaged, not the gonads. please brief your buds so they realize this stuff as well.

that is all.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:27 AM   #3
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I would suggest finding a road 50 miles or more away from the nearest stage road.

Any locals who are opposed to the rally will complain about any real or perceived infractions and that will make it that much harder for the rally to get permission to use roads in the area next year.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:58 AM   #4
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STPR two years ago, I know a team closed an actual stage road being used that year with their service vehicles and practiced on it the night of the rally. And they are on entry list this year.

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Old 05-29-2008, 12:17 PM   #5
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STPR two years ago, I know a team closed an actual stage road being used that year with their service vehicles and practiced on it the night of the rally. And they are on entry list this year.
That's clearly a violation of Rule 7.1B (Rally America Performance Rally Rules 2008 edition).

That's a one year mandatory competition license suspension.

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Old 05-29-2008, 12:18 PM   #6
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That's clearly a violation of Rule 7.1B (Rally America Performance Rally Rules 2008 edition).
Only if they are caught.
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:52 PM   #7
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STPR two years ago, I know a team closed an actual stage road being used that year with their service vehicles and practiced on it the night of the rally. And they are on entry list this year.
Well that is completely against the rules.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:47 PM   #8
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STPR two years ago, I know a team closed an actual stage road being used that year with their service vehicles and practiced on it the night of the rally. And they are on entry list this year.
Two kinds of rallyists, Dave, cheaters and losers :-) Which one are you?

I usually practice on the bike path through the canyon, it's an old railroad bed and it's flat to the mat, mate! I have Briggsy call in a deer jacking in Colton Point into the DCNR, while we're out to help keep the heat off. ;-)
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:55 PM   #9
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Two kinds of rallyists, Dave, cheaters and losers :-) Which one are you?
I'm a wiener! I have a plastic trophy to prove it.
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If they had permission from the organizers, it's legal, no?
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If they had permission from the organizers, it's legal, no?
Nope. That just means the organizers had a brain fart when they said yes, but it doesn't make it legal, and it doesn't even mean that those same organizers can't come back and tell you that it was illegal.

I didn't get to join the flame fest in tinyrally's original thread, so I will now! Don't do it! If you "love rally" you'll care enough not to take the risk of screwing it up for everyone else.

How fast you are going, or the risks you think you are taking are irrelevant. The only relevant thing is what OTHER people think, like the locals, the Staties, or the organizers. Your perception of the innocents of what you are doing is relevant only to you, the perceived evils of what you do are the only thing that matter in the real world.
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:55 AM   #12
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If they had permission from the organizers, it's legal, no?
If it was an official "shakedown" it would have been legal, but in that case the rally officials would have had marshals along the road to secure the road. You have to remember it's not just the two ends that are the problem, it's also every cross road, driveway and ATV trail that connects to the road. One of the things I do for rallies up here is stage security mapping which involves looking for and exploring all the little side trails off each stage road and figuring out where they go. Most people would be surprised by how may small trails there are coming off even the most remote road. Usually you don't notice them but if you start looking there can be dozens per mile. Any trail that connects to another access point has to be manned before the stage can be declared secure.
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Please please please don't drive on roads that are or used to be stage roads anywhere near a rally with anything approaching speed or in anything that looks at all like a rally car. It's insanely hard to organize a rally and any perception at ALL by the general public that "rally people" are out being irresponsible is a great way to get an event canned.

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Old 06-04-2008, 11:12 AM   #14
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This event has been Canceled - Canceled - Canceled - Canceled - Canceled-

Due to growing concern that this may negatively effect STPR.


Thanks to all
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This event has been Canceled - Canceled - Canceled - Canceled - Canceled-

Due to growing concern that this may negatively effect STPR.


Thanks to all
The rally community thanks you.
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