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Old 02-13-2020, 10:18 PM   #1401
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I could have chained your heart to a star
But it really doesn't matter at all
No it really doesn't matter at all
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I could have built a house on the ocean
I could have placed our love in the sky
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I could have turned you into a priestess
I could have burned your fate in the sand
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But it really doesn't matter at all
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Old 02-14-2020, 03:02 AM   #1402
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It's not important how YOU feel about the word. What's important is how other people might feel when you use the word.
You know damn well that godfather doesn't give one single flying **** about that.
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Old 02-14-2020, 03:17 AM   #1403
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Anyone that can’t be bothered to be minimally empathetic and simply choose their words more carefully because others are offended is an *******.

******** offended by this statement can let me know what they’d prefer I call them.
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Old 02-14-2020, 03:55 AM   #1404
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I'm sure aiming for something better but I am far from always better, myself.

Willing to admit it. my religious beliefs are my own and, everyone has a right to their own. I think everyone has faith in their own, though. I don't want to be harsh or insensitive, either. Some people seem to have more faith in cynicism, I get it.

Criticality is healthy.

Life's fun, aint it?
Try living without beliefs.

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Old 02-14-2020, 03:59 AM   #1405
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Like when I see singles website adds?

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Old 02-14-2020, 09:19 AM   #1406
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The problem is that "retarded" is, phonically speaking, such a GOOD word to express anger or disbelief. It has a very strong second syllable, you can really emphasize the TAR to show your specific level of disgust.

"Stupid" is ok, but it's only two syllables, and the first is the one you have to emphasize. It's alright but lacks the same verbal punch as a three syllable word where you can have a soft intro, punchy second syllable, and a conclusionary soft third syllable.

I'm ok with not using "retarded", solely because of the derision attached to it that the mentally challenged have endured for so long, but it's a tough loss for slang. A new word is needed.
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Old 02-14-2020, 09:27 AM   #1407
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If anyone is familiar with Karl Piklington, I prefer to use his version: "tred" (going by the phonetic sound as this is, after all, Karl).
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Old 02-14-2020, 08:56 PM   #1408
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Because the R-word is the same as the N-word. When you use it as an insult in any context it is offensive to people who are mentally-challenged because that is the epitaph that has historically used to belittle them.

Go to a church meeting and call them all the N-word and see how long your friends back you up.
Yeaaahh, no, not even a close comparison. Plus, I would never do that because I have no issues with black people.
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Old 02-14-2020, 09:00 PM   #1409
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Just goes to show, people without religion/faith can have less morals than people with.
That has got to be the funniest, and most hypocritical, thing I have read in months. So explain to me where 'conversion therapy' falls on the moral scale? Or how about denying the LBGQ community basic human rights? Or how about intentionally brainwashing children to ignore scientific fact so that they can perpetuate the ignorance? How about when priests molest children and not only does the church protect them, but protects them from facing the law by shipping them off to other countries? Where does all that fall on your BS moral high ground?
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:20 PM   #1410
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We started a program at work where we have very simple assembly work (ex: putting an oil level gauge in the guide tube) done by a group of mentally challenged adults. It is all supervised and easily caught by the next downstream team member if they outflow a defect to the main production area. It actually costs us more money at the end of the day, but it gives these folks some social interaction. Friendly bunch.

I’d rather hang out with them than work’s Christian fellowship group and their bull**** “random acts of kindness” month. It pairs nicely with the other 11 months of deliberate acts of spitefulness. Seriously, we have partner groups at work for LGTBQ, veterans, African Americans... and Christians. Sure glad that the overwhelmingly white, Christian population at my workplace of 1800 people were able to find their people through this work sponsored group that didn’t meet the criteria of a partner group. They all bitched and moaned about it until HR gave in.
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:37 PM   #1411
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Just goes to show, people without religion/faith can have less morals than people with.


I missed this part.

Care to try that again?

Or just apologise for it? Because magic underwear are not going to insulate you from the flames that are coming.
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:06 AM   #1412
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Was anyone offended by my factual statement? What would I need to apologize for? Does everyone here believe those who believe in a god (et al) have to automatically be less moral than any and every person who doesn't?

I'm trying to figure what posting has been more disrespectful to require an apology.

Could it be the people throwing around the R word? nahh, gotta be the guy we can attach to "magic underwear".

Like I said, sounds like I'll be logging off OT in the near future. Seems this place doesn't take too kindly to my sort, anymore.

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I've had it up to here, standing up for my morals in this thread.

Go ahead, say R****D as much as you want, fine. fine people.

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Old 02-15-2020, 09:09 AM   #1413
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Was anyone offended by my factual statement? What would I need to apologize for? Does everyone here believe those who believe in a god (et al) have to automatically be less moral than any and every person who doesn't?

I'm trying to figure what posting has been more disrespectful to require an apology.

Could it be the people throwing around the R word? nahh, gotta be the guy we can attach to "magic underwear".

Like I said, sounds like I'll be logging off OT in the near future. Seems this place doesn't take too kindly to my sort, anymore.

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I've had it up to here, standing up for my morals in this thread.

Go ahead, say R****D as much as you want, fine. fine people.

Parker - Just so your aware, I'm a hard atheist and have been for almost forty years.

Ethics is not a religious thing, it is an evolutionary human trait. Ethics were evolutionary necessary to allow humans to live in large groups (tribes, nations) and to work together for a common cause, which happened at least 70,000 years ago. The idea of "God" came later, about 10,000 years ago. That should be obvious to anyone whose vision isn't clouded by religion.

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Old 02-15-2020, 09:16 AM   #1414
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Was anyone offended by my factual statement? What would I need to apologize for? Does everyone here believe those who believe in a god (et al) have to automatically be less moral than any and every person who doesn't?

I'm trying to figure what posting has been more disrespectful to require an apology.

Could it be the people throwing around the R word? nahh, gotta be the guy we can attach to "magic underwear".

Like I said, sounds like I'll be logging off OT in the near future. Seems this place doesn't take too kindly to my sort, anymore.

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I've had it up to here, standing up for my morals in this thread.

Go ahead, say R****D as much as you want, fine. fine people.
People who believe in god aren't necessarily less moral than atheists, but those that believe in the Christian god necessarily have a ceiling to how moral they can be. Those are the ones that find themselves implicitly defending slavery, the stoning of rape victims for being too afraid to scream (or forcing rape victims to marry their rapist, depending on where they get raped), genocide, the stoning of homosexuals, thought-crime, and the list goes on. By your failure to reject such obviously immoral concepts as obviously immoral, you fail at basic decency.

That's all before we get to the practical failures that can be traced back to faith in fairy tales. The blind belief in an afterlife is a convenient excuse not to help those suffering in this one. so many forms of child abuse are so obviously a result of Christian faith as well. I'm not even going the way route here... But how many children are suffering at the hands of a man with "spare the rod spoil the child" echoing around in his head? The failure to actually examine things based on evidence to see how best to treat others leaves them clinging to the musings of iron age men.

Now I don't know enough about you to say exactly how immoral Christianity has made you. Some Christians can tolerate an impressive amount of cognitive dissonance and are actually pretty good people. But you'll never get away from your failure to reject as immoral a god that makes us ill then commands us, on pain of torture, to be well.

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Old 02-15-2020, 09:29 AM   #1415
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I would actually agree that people without religion CAN have fewer morals than those who are religious. I would even go so far as to say religion has little to no impact on how moral any individual chooses to be. Any person can be as "good" as they choose to be, regardless of which fairy tale they do or do not choose to believe.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:10 AM   #1416
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Was anyone offended by my factual statement? What would I need to apologize for? Does everyone here believe those who believe in a god (et al) have to automatically be less moral than any and every person who doesn't?

I'm trying to figure what posting has been more disrespectful to require an apology.

Could it be the people throwing around the R word? nahh, gotta be the guy we can attach to "magic underwear".

Like I said, sounds like I'll be logging off OT in the near future. Seems this place doesn't take too kindly to my sort, anymore.

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I've had it up to here, standing up for my morals in this thread.

Go ahead, say R****D as much as you want, fine. fine people.
assuming religious people are automatically of higher moral character is hilarious. If you are logging off of OT because you're offended, it sounds like it's not about religion, it's about self righteousness. I'm not offended because I don't give a ****.

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Old 02-15-2020, 11:39 AM   #1417
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People who believe in god aren't necessarily less moral than atheists, but those that believe in the Christian god necessarily have a ceiling to how moral they can be. Those are the ones that find themselves implicitly defending slavery, the stoning of rape victims for being too afraid to scream (or forcing rape victims to marry their rapist, depending on where they get raped), genocide, the stoning of homosexuals, thought-crime, and the list goes on. By your failure to reject such obviously immoral concepts as obviously immoral, you fail at basic decency.
Are you saying that anyone who follows generic Christian beliefs supports those things?
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:41 AM   #1418
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Are you saying that anyone who follows generic Christian beliefs supports those things?
By failing to reject a text that specifically speaks of those things they do by default.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:15 PM   #1419
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Are you saying that anyone who follows generic Christian beliefs supports those things?
Yes, through inaction against those who proudly claim it.
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Old 02-15-2020, 01:14 PM   #1420
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I don't think you have to necessarily support everything in the book. However, the fact that you'd even consider picking and choosing which things to believe in and support is conclusive proof in how arbitrary and worthless the book is as a whole.

This thing here I'll totally believe. Why? It's in the Bible! This other thing over here I don't like? I'm not gonna believe that one. But it's in the Bible? Ssshhh, you're spiking my cognitive dissonance!
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Old 02-15-2020, 01:23 PM   #1421
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Parker - Just so your aware, I'm a hard atheist and have been for almost forty years.

Ethics is not a religious thing, it is an evolutionary human trait. Ethics were evolutionary necessary to allow humans to live in large groups (tribes, nations) and to work together for a common cause, which happened at least 70,000 years ago. The idea of "God" came later, about 10,000 years ago. That should be obvious to anyone whose vision isn't clouded by religion.
God in the monotheistic sense is only about 3,000 years old.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:59 PM   #1422
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God in the monotheistic sense is only about 3,000 years old.
I think a joke about god and the universe being 6000 years old goes here.

This has been one of the best pages of this thread.

Parker still needs to come back and retract some isht.

Also, Counterfeit, if you have an argument, make it.

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Old 02-15-2020, 03:04 PM   #1423
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Are you saying that anyone who follows generic Christian beliefs supports those things?
Have a conversation with someone following generic Christianity about the specific scriptures in which those things are not only condoned but mandated, and they will make excuse after excuse for why it was ok. I've found this to be true without exception. So, yes, by failing to take a stand against those things they're tacitly endorsing and excusing them. The only defense someone might have is ignorance, but usually when they're educated as to the horrible acts proclaimed to be just by their holy book, they fail to reject it as they should.

It's evidence of how poisoned by Christianity's nonsense our society has become that this issue even seems to be a grey area. This should be as obvious to everyone as it is that those who deny the holocaust or run the businesses of sex traffickers are not moral authorities.
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Have a conversation with someone following generic Christianity about the specific scriptures in which those things are not only condoned but mandated, and they will make excuse after excuse for why it was ok. I've found this to be true without exception. So, yes, by failing to take a stand against those things they're tacitly endorsing and excusing them. The only defense someone might have is ignorance, but usually when they're educated as to the horrible acts proclaimed to be just by their holy book, they fail to reject it as they should.

It's evidence of how poisoned by Christianity's nonsense our society has become that this issue even seems to be a grey area. This should be as obvious to everyone as it is that those who deny the holocaust or run the businesses of sex traffickers are not moral authorities.
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I just want to be clear, here. Are you all blaming Christians for events depicted in the old testament?
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