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Old 03-13-2018, 07:17 AM   #1
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Photos posted to a Chinese forum have revealed what appears to be a large digital driver-information display behind the steering wheel.

The screen, replacing the conventional instrument cluster, is shown in two modes: one with separate rev and speed meters, and one with a large combined meter that likely represents a ‘sport mode’ function.

Little else has been revealed, although the shape of the instrument cowl and surrounding vents suggests the display is being tested in the current Mazda 3 – now in its fifth year on the market.

Whether Mazda will roll this new system out with the current 3 or the next, is still to be revealed, and the person behind the photos – with only this one forum post to his or her credit – has revealed nothing about how they came across the prototype. A rogue employee, perhaps.

If Mazda does introduce this new display to market, it will join the likes of Audi, Volkswagen, Volvo, Mercedes-Benz and Peugeot to go entirely digital in the instrument cluster – if only on high-grade models.

Watch for more on this development in the months ahead.






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It bothers me that analog gauges are becoming a luxury item.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:23 AM   #3
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It bothers me that analog gauges are becoming a luxury item.
LCD screens, lets have them everywhere!

Let’s put ADAS on everything!

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I'm fine with it, to a point. The tradeoff for the physical gauges is that you have the potential for many more features and the possibility of user-configurability.

Then you have to consider the next phase ... full HUD; All the information in your line of sight, all the time.

Video games are real life, man.
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It bothers me that analog gauges are becoming a luxury item.
The gauges aren't really analog anyway as they are taking the same CAN bus signal the LDC display are and utilizing a stepper motor to move the needles. They were only truly analog when the speedometer and tachometers were being connected directly via cable.
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The gauges aren't really analog anyway as they are taking the same CAN bus signal the LDC display are and utilizing a stepper motor to move the needles. They were only truly analog when the speedometer and tachometers were being connected directly via cable.
analog vs digital is not the same as mechanical vs electronic.

an analog gauge reading an electronic signal is preferred to an LCD that will be outdated in a short time while having a higher failure rate.

I prefer mechanical gauges to electronic, but that isn't likely to happen in a mass production car as we move forward; last car I owned with all mechanical gauge was from the 60's. Even stuff from the 90's & early 00's that had mechanical speedo's & tach's had electronically fed coolant & oil gauges with the "safe" "not safe" readings.

Times are changing quicker than I am it seems.
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<the traditional and outdated way cars were built> is preferred to <the new way cars are being built> while having a higher failure rate.
The same griping made for every new feature on mainstream cars ever.
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The same griping made for every new feature on mainstream cars ever.
I don't swap tin every three to five years when the warranty is up; different strokes for different folks though.

I also don't consider something that costs 30k-40k as "disposable" which is the way the auto industry has gone.
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analog vs digital is not the same as mechanical vs electronic.

an analog gauge reading an electronic signal is preferred to an LCD that will be outdated in a short time while having a higher failure rate.

I prefer mechanical gauges to electronic, but that isn't likely to happen in a mass production car as we move forward; last car I owned with all mechanical gauge was from the 60's. Even stuff from the 90's & early 00's that had mechanical speedo's & tach's had electronically fed coolant & oil gauges with the "safe" "not safe" readings.

Times are changing quicker than I am it seems.
No you are right here. Mechanical things are just better. My Datsun is 50 years old. The Factory mechanical speedo and tach still work. Not ONE SINGLE LCD display will function that long. They will all fade and break and corrode.

They cannot be fixed only replaced and at the rate electronics are phased out, they are making all cars disposable now.
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Yeah, people also said that cars with HID headlights would be useless once the expensive bulbs burnt out. Now a DIY HID swap is child's play.. and replacing old bulbs is cheap. Digital dashes will be no different. In 15 years when the dash burns out on your Mazda there will be 5 aftermarket replacements and 300 YouTube videos on how to repair or replace it. Cars keep being made more and more reliable, year after year, yet people still perpetuate the myth that everything on them is worse than what used to be. Hell, Mazda could replace 10 different gauge clusters with a single LCD panel that works on every car in their lineup. You're seriously bitching about the unreliability of a solid state electronic that's been mass produced for 30 years?

Remember the bitching when manual windows went away? Sure, certain corner-cutting <cough> German <cough> companies have had issues with electric window regulators.. but they've become the norm because they're actually lighter, cheaper to manufacture, and more reliable than manual cranks.

Then there's all the bitching about keyless entry and start.. this very board was upset that Subaru was going to offer it as an option.. and they were one of the last car companies to adopt it in the USA.

Your 50 year old Datsun is what.. a survivor of the 99.8% of them that got crushed and melted down because they rusted out, the driveline disintegrated, the gauge clusters broke, or the interior fell apart.. you're using survivorship bias on a car, dude.
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I am not bitching, it is a fact. A light bulb was made to replace. You cannot compare the two.

Aftermarket HID kits are crap on a good day.

Their would have to be a market for that dash. Dash replacements are not typically available except form dealer.

Over-complicating these things is not smart for longevity. An aftermarket dash would have to work with the onboard software. Which will be unique to every car.

Datsuns rusting is a sad truth, I cannot deny that. But they were not killed because of any short comings of drivetrains, I promise you that. They only imported like 5000 total to the states so them being not present in large quantities is understandable. They were also not crushed due to dashes not working (save the clock, which was a gear driven mechanical unit) that is just crazy.

How many Luminas do you see anymore.

How many 1st gen Eclipses do yousee

How many Berrettas do you see.

Those cars went extinct. A purely mechanical car will out last a modern digital car. Every wire corrodes, every sensor goes bad. The knowledge to repair them is gone. They become too expensive to fix or the tech goes obsolete and is not supported.

How many folks are clamoring for an Iphone 4? That is the future of digital cars.
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I'm still on the iPhone 6 because it has a 3mm connector and I would rather stab myself in the eyes than use a dongle.

Just changed the battery. It was easy and cheap. Electronics are like any other part in a car. replaceable. upgradable.
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I'm still on the iPhone 6 because it has a 3mm connector and I would rather stab myself in the eyes than use a dongle.

Just changed the battery. It was easy and cheap. Electronics are like any other part in a car. replaceable. upgradable.
consumer electronics such as phones are repairable, not upgradable.

Let me know when you swap the CPU, GPU, & increase the ram to keep up with software updates; oh while were are it, let me know when you swap in a higher resolution LCD or OLED screen.

That 6 is four years old - consumer electronics are on a 3 to 5yr cycle; you are still in the "normal" cycle. Wait until Apple forces you to update software as they are known to do.

The comparison of a consumer electronic good to a modern car is at the very least, an apt comparison.
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Give me LED an LCD all day, every day. I've owned a lot of cars and one thing I can say with certainty that new interiors are much more problem free than old ones. Going back to the 80's and 90's I can remember having to remove several instrument clusters to replace burned out bulbs and owned several cars that had burned out lighting on HVAC and other dash lighting. Haven't had issues with this stuff for over a decade now.
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IN 20 years, none of it will work anymore. Or be so faded and scratched up. I like shiney new things as well, but every car built today is disposable in 15 years.
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IN 20 years, none of it will work anymore. Or be so faded and scratched up. I like shiney new things as well, but every car built today is disposable in 15 years.
in 20 years there will be robots that can recreate what parts you need based on schematics that will be shared and even modified by the public. You may even see entire industries spring up retrofitting old tech people like with new tech.

Right now, you can take the old, broken LCD display in your 2002 Audi TT and a specialty shop will refurbish it with working components. Saw this on one of those car restoration shows. It takes people to assemble and test all the application-specific parts for that. In the future, the robots will do all that and even better.

Unless we ban robots because they terk errr jerbz
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Riiiiight, and we will have flying cars as well.

WE do not agree on the this one bud. Nobody does anything for free. Just because it can be done, does not mean it will be done.
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I hate LCD displays in cars. I have light sensitivity and find them unbearable unless able to turn completely off at night. Then there's the retards that decide to just put the controls for everything in the display. Lets make people look from the road to change Hvac settings or a radio station. Brilliant.
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BINGO

going forward/technology is about improving safety, where are the regulators on this one. I can go down the highway at 80 mph put on my defroster, heat, radio, etc in my 45 year old Avanti without taking my eyes off the road. Ever try turning on day lights on A4, menu-Car-external lighting- now grab dial slide down to Day a run Lights- push in to engage- slide down to on- push in to engage enter function.

O if it’s in the morning during sunrise don’t bother, the display is wiped out by the sun.

Now when little Suzie or junior in dad’s SS is playing with the EQ or satellites radio, your life is now a lottery in their immature hands. ahh progress, Notice how you can’t hear anyone on the phone anymore, call ins on talk radio etc.. yep digital phones.. love the sound on that digital track. Plastic Albums are coming back maybe sensible safe automotive controls will follow.

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A little off topic, but that's one of my greatest complaints of the Tesla 3 - removing standard buttons for HVAC etc and instead having controls on the giant tablet screen.

Buttons and knobs work fine for controlling the radio, HVAC, and other functions. I don't see what benefit removing these has for the user. It seems like it just makes manufacturing easier for Tesla.
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A little off topic, but that's one of my greatest complaints of the Tesla 3 - removing standard buttons for HVAC etc and instead having controls on the giant tablet screen.

Buttons and knobs work fine for controlling the radio, HVAC, and other functions. I don't see what benefit removing these has for the user. It seems like it just makes manufacturing easier for Tesla.
Bingo, a cheap-out cost savings measure, wrapped up in shiny new marketing labeled as progress. See through all the marketing and stop believing what everybody tell you to believe. A single tablet for everything is nothing but a damned cheap out and it looks like whale turds.
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My HVAC is automatic. I never touch the controls. Why should you have to?
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My HVAC is automatic. I never touch the controls. Why should you have to?
I have to admit with the advent of automatic climate control I set my interior temp to 22 deg. C driving off the lot new and outside of pressing defrost button when required I simply never touch it again. I think some of the HVAC control buttons on my R have ever been touched even once.

I have driven with people that have auto climate control that are constantly fidgeting with the manual controls which I find utterly bizarre. I can understand constant changing of temperature/fan by a woman with menopause or something but modern cars are really good at keeping a constant cabin temperature in automatic.
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My HVAC is automatic. I never touch the controls. Why should you have to?
I mess with them quite constantly, even in new cars. My wife does auto journalism, I'm typically a passenger in 30-45 new cars each year as a week-long test vehicle for reviews.

Often have to change from fresh air to recirc for smokers and diesels. Often through a drive the amount of sun or wind on the car will change inducing me to mess with widows and hvac.

I dislike auto climate, I'd rather just turn a knob or flip a switch. A big plus about older cars with older tech is that they were mostly carbon copies as to the driver operated controls. With these new cars we test out I'm usually still confused by the dang thing a week later at turn in. With old cars It takes 2 min to become familiar with the driver operated controls.

Another thing I've noticed is a large, large percentage of new cars with info-tainment systems do not allow the screen to be fully turned off. I find them unbearable at night. I usually have to cover them with a hat or sweatshirt.
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