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Old 02-22-2024, 08:52 AM   #8901
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Norway actually has charging infrastructure whereas unless you live in a major metro area here in the US there's **** all in the way of charging. I'm not driving 24 miles out of my way to Hopefully maybe charge my car you know if the charger is actually working and available. Most of the time an electric car would work for me but not in cold weather. I have to go to the office a couple times a month. When it's 14 degrees out and the office is about 70 miles away and the ability to charge isn't guaranteed that's more risk than I'm willing to accept especially for something as expensive as electric cars are.
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Old 02-22-2024, 09:13 AM   #8902
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I have been level one charging at home for the past few weeks. There are two Volta free chargers at a Food Lion about 3 miles from my home. They have a 2 hour limit. A little farther down the street is a ChargePoint charger that usually has 2Tesla plugged in if it is working. My go to out of the home charging spot is about 8 miles away and has ten free ChargePoint chargers.
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Old 02-22-2024, 10:22 AM   #8903
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Norway actually has charging infrastructure whereas unless you live in a major metro area here in the US there's **** all in the way of charging. I'm not driving 24 miles out of my way to Hopefully maybe charge my car you know if the charger is actually working and available. Most of the time an electric car would work for me but not in cold weather. I have to go to the office a couple times a month. When it's 14 degrees out and the office is about 70 miles away and the ability to charge isn't guaranteed that's more risk than I'm willing to accept especially for something as expensive as electric cars are.
I went to Norway, and seeing DC chargers at just about every gas station made it possible to support more EVs. The array of EV brands that I saw in Scandinavia was awesome.
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Old 02-22-2024, 10:45 AM   #8904
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Home electricity costs in VA are very low. We pay .075 cents per kwh here (last time I checked). There is no time of use restrictions either.

It makes sense why there are so many EVs in my area.

So, I agree with the above post about having to compare different states/localities to the Norway example.

Finally, I keep seeing people compare EV ownership to ICE ownership and only using cost as the metric. So how do we justify large trucks, sports cars, other niche vehicles, etc? IMO, the driving experience that an EV offers is simply superior for our use cases. To me and my wife (who has already stated that she will never own ICE again), the additional cost is worth it.

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Old 02-22-2024, 11:15 AM   #8905
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I went to Norway, and seeing DC chargers at just about every gas station made it possible to support more EVs. The array of EV brands that I saw in Scandinavia was awesome.
Not disagreeing. They have the abundance of power to be able to accommodate, and... it's not like they had to build anything new to do it. Water, to them, is plentiful, because, that's the climate they live in, so hydro definitely makes most sense for them, and going EV is a non-brainer (besides the mandate/sunsetting from their King of ICE vehicles). Again, not against. Pragmatic approach says "Good for them, but what works there won't work here".

In the US, we have about 1500 of 'em, and currently accounts for 5-10% of our generation. Meaning, one for every 221,333 people. (Far cry from 1:3,000)


There's also this: https://jalopnik.com/norway-regrets-...ars-1850976210
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Old 02-22-2024, 11:26 AM   #8906
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Not disagreeing. They have the abundance of power to be able to accommodate, and... it's not like they had to build anything new to do it. Water, to them, is plentiful, because, that's the climate they live in, so hydro definitely makes most sense for them, and going EV is a non-brainer (besides the mandate/sunsetting from their King of ICE vehicles). Again, not against. Pragmatic approach says "Good for them, but what works there won't work here".

In the US, we have about 1500 of 'em, and currently accounts for 5-10% of our generation. Meaning, one for every 221,333 people. (Far cry from 1:3,000)


There's also this: https://jalopnik.com/norway-regrets-...ars-1850976210
The US will probably never be a majority-public transportation society (not counting Uber, etc). So, not a huge issue. Carpool lanes help a little, but the majority of the country is not congested (well, they think they are but come to NY haha).
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Old 02-22-2024, 11:36 AM   #8907
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The US will probably never be a majority-public transportation society (not counting Uber, etc). So, not a huge issue. Carpool lanes help a little, but the majority of the country is not congested (well, they think they are but come to NY haha).
Umm... didn't say the US will be? Not sure how you got that out of it... was a footnote to the larger discussion.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:23 PM   #8908
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Umm... didn't say the US will be? Not sure how you got that out of it... was a footnote to the larger discussion.
You included it in the comment, so it seemed like you were pointing out that increased EV adoption means increased single occupant vehicles on the road, which is a bigger problem. Sorry.
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Old 02-22-2024, 12:38 PM   #8909
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Old 02-22-2024, 01:06 PM   #8910
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I don't mind that it looks "normal".
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Old 02-22-2024, 05:57 PM   #8911
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We too are thinking about getting out of the Clarity. It's been good, but full EV is in our future. Wife does not like the looks of the polestar and wants a Volvo so looking at XC40 and C40s still going to wait a bit but seems likely to happen this summer.

The value to the Clarity is back up too, about 16k for trade in. Just has that pesky recall for the fuel pump that they have to estimated availability for yet.
Local dealer has a CPO 2022 C40 (with 5700 mi) we made an inquiry about. Decided against it. They called again asked if we are interested. I said probably not. They have 5.9 financing right now and have apparently had this on their lot for 3 months and want to get rid of it. So I am going to go in Saturday to see if we can make number work.
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Old 02-25-2024, 11:39 AM   #8912
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Well that escalated quickly. Had to do the whole song and dance with the dealer. Wife is happy. Havenít really gotten to drive it much yet. We may have to get new wire pulled for our charger. Itís only a 30A outlet so it only charges at 4mi/hr. Barely got from 40% to 80% overnight.

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Old 02-25-2024, 12:09 PM   #8913
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Well that escalated quickly. Had to do the whole song and dance with the dealer. Wife is happy. Havenít really gotten to drive it much yet. We may have to get new wire pulled for our charger. Itís only a 30A outlet so it only charges at 4mi/hr. Barely got from 40% to 80% overnight.

Awesome and congrats!

Re: 30A charging at 4mph
That doesn't sound right. I'm not very familiar with Volvo but 30A should be pushing way more power than that. 12A charging should be around 4mph.

Is there a setting in the car to up the charging speed? Tesla and Rivian both give me the option to increase or decrease charging amperage. On a 30A circuit you can set it to 22A safely in the car assuming your home wiring and electrical box are in good condition.

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Old 02-25-2024, 12:28 PM   #8914
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Iíll check the charge screen when the wife gets home from the gym.
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Old 02-25-2024, 12:28 PM   #8915
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Congrats, I really like them. You'll have to update in a bit with his much range you're getting. That's the one complaint that I've read about, that it doesn't even come close to their advertised range and usually ends up in the low 200's.
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Old 02-25-2024, 01:34 PM   #8916
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Awesome and congrats!

Re: 30A charging at 4mph
That doesn't sound right. I'm not very familiar with Volvo but 30A should be pushing way more power than that. 12A charging should be around 4mph.

Is there a setting in the car to up the charging speed? Tesla and Rivian both give me the option to increase or decrease charging amperage. On a 30A circuit you can set it to 22A safely in the car assuming your home wiring and electrical box are in good condition.

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That was it, thanks nrcooled. It was set to 10 amps max.
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Old 02-25-2024, 04:08 PM   #8917
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And Probably the release of the refresh Taycan is going to add more pressure to used Taycan values:

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Porsche Taycan Turbos Have Lost Up To $100,000 Value In 4 Years
This high-performance, German EV has taken a big drop in value.
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Old 02-25-2024, 06:34 PM   #8918
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That was it, thanks nrcooled. It was set to 10 amps max.
Happy to help!

There's a lot of common ev knowledge that isn't exactly common yet. If you have any questions there are tons of EV owners happy and ready to help

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Old 02-26-2024, 01:04 PM   #8919
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tl;dw: Basically the same efficiency. It was a sunny 65įF day, so the heat pump in the GT-Line probably would have made it more efficient than the RWD Wind in colder weather. AWD + extra feature weight is no penalty for road tripping the EV9. Hmmm.
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Old 02-26-2024, 01:30 PM   #8920
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As we were finalizing everything I was looking up snow tires (future car_cursed problem). Since its on dubz I figured it'll be pricey. Went on Costco and pulls up as staggered. Think that can't be right, check tirerack also staggered. The hell, run out to the car sure enough a 255 on the rear and a 235 front. Guess since from and rear motors are independent a square setup is less important and since rolling diameter is the same. Any how I'll be back in 8 months complaining about spending 2k on snow tires.
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Old 02-26-2024, 09:48 PM   #8921
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Old 02-27-2024, 06:59 AM   #8922
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Change that to my (and assumed for KC) and I'm at 38 cents a kWh and latest, $2.95 per gallon.
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On November 1, 2023 National Grid increased their Basic Service Rate for residential customers by 29%. The previous rate of $0.14115 per kWh that had been in effect since May 1, 2023 skyrocket to the new rate of $.18213 that will remain in effect through the end of July of next year.

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+3.7% in Oct then... If additional investments as presented in the Company's Electric Sector Modernization Plan are separately approved by the DPU, the average annual increase over the five year rate plan will increase to 3.0%.

Now is definitely not the time to buy an Electric car in MA, and remain in MA.

I've been saying this from the beginning, the gas market, controlled by companies and market pricing (with some state taxes, no "fees"), has better control of the pricing (supply and demand) than any utility. More controls are in place in the laws over gas taxes than electric taxes and those additional "because we feel like it" fees.

And the "fees", are robbing from the poor's electric bills, those that can't afford to buy, park, drive, charge (because on street parking) an electric car and giving to the rich in the form of their tax rebates and infrastructure. It is the very definition of a ponzi scheme. "Industry" isn't the one paying for EVs and rebates, it's on the backs of everyone else that pays an electric bill. If I could line-item them off, I'd love to. (The fees are about 15%-20% of the monthly bill)

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Old 02-27-2024, 09:32 AM   #8923
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https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...-hybrid-rumor/

GM possibly scrambling to get their own version of the Ramcharger out. I really wish they'd do a Colorado version though, my 2018 Colorado was a good truck, and had all the room I needed. I had a Silverado loaner for a few days and it was just too massive.
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Old 02-27-2024, 09:39 AM   #8924
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Last year:

On November 1, 2023 National Grid increased their Basic Service Rate for residential customers by 29%. The previous rate of $0.14115 per kWh that had been in effect since May 1, 2023 skyrocket to the new rate of $.18213 that will remain in effect through the end of July of next year.

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+3.7% in Oct then... If additional investments as presented in the Company's Electric Sector Modernization Plan are separately approved by the DPU, the average annual increase over the five year rate plan will increase to 3.0%.

Now is definitely not the time to buy an Electric car in MA, and remain in MA.

I've been saying this from the beginning, the gas market, controlled by companies and market pricing (with some state taxes, no "fees"), has better control of the pricing (supply and demand) than any utility. More controls are in place in the laws over gas taxes than electric taxes and those additional "because we feel like it" fees.

And the "fees", are robbing from the poor's electric bills, those that can't afford to buy, park, drive, charge (because on street parking) an electric car and giving to the rich in the form of their tax rebates and infrastructure. It is the very definition of a ponzi scheme. "Industry" isn't the one paying for EVs and rebates, it's on the backs of everyone else that pays an electric bill. If I could line-item them off, I'd love to. (The fees are about 15%-20% of the monthly bill)

Jeepers kC, just get a nice big solar array like me and never pay for electricity
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Old 02-27-2024, 09:52 AM   #8925
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Jeepers kC, just get a nice big solar array like me and never pay for electricity
Is there sarcasm there? How long did it take you to pay it off? I am still contemplating it. You are still connected to your utility so I am assuming you still pay all the monthly fees/surcharges even if they donít deliver a KW to you? I have plenty of friends that got systems sold to them by local providers and they are undersized and underperforming. Did you size yours or did a company?
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