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Old 05-27-2006, 03:11 AM   #1
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I bought the car lowered with 2,000 miles on it from a Subaru dealership about 1 yr ago. I dont know what springs were on it, but my tires only have 14,000 miles on them and the insides of the drivers side tires are completely bald. So i decided to go there since its $150 Lifetime of me owning the car Alignment. Do i need to put in the stock springs that i aquired THEN go back to the alignment shop? Or do i need to go back there and tell them to loosen BOTH front strut bolts? Do i go to the dealer and ask them to put on stock springs since i dont think i should be purchasing tires on my daily driver with only 14,000 miles with tires that are supposed to be guaranteed till 40,000 miles? Or just go to a different firestone since im pretty sure it works at all locations? I had to rush to work since they took an hour longer than quoted so i didnt really get to analyze the paper.

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Old 05-27-2006, 07:57 AM   #2
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well, not sure that it matters, but the spec sheet says they aligned it on RS parameters....note the top of the page where it says "except turbo WRX/STi"...

aside from that, looks like all they did was attempt to set the toe, but even that didn't come out too well...

good numbers will look like:

-1.0 camber front and rear

0.0 toe all around

caster is non-adjustable
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Old 05-27-2006, 11:03 AM   #3
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I bought the car lowered with 2,000 miles on it from a Subaru dealership about 1 yr ago. I dont know what springs were on it, but my tires only have 14,000 miles on them and the insides of the drivers side tires are completely bald. So i decided to go there since its $150 Lifetime of me owning the car Alignment. Do i need to put in the stock springs that i aquired THEN go back to the alignment shop? Or do i need to go back there and tell them to loosen BOTH front strut bolts? Do i go to the dealer and ask them to put on stock springs since i dont think i should be purchasing tires on my daily driver with only 14,000 miles with tires that are supposed to be guaranteed till 40,000 miles? Or just go to a different firestone since im pretty sure it works at all locations? I had to rush to work since they took an hour longer than quoted so i didnt really get to analyze the paper.

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Old 05-28-2006, 07:51 PM   #4
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did the subaru dealership do the lowering, or was it a trade-in? if they did it, then i would first look to them to help get acceptable alignment specs for tire wear, like -1 deg camber or less all around. if it was a spring change without a strut change, then a set of stock springs may be what you are after. if you want to keep it lowered, then try strut bolts or invest in camber plates front and rear.

other than the right front camber, you have a good alignment for performance. if you want to keep that, then you could flip your tires on the rims (inside out) at 8-10k miles to get more tread life.

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Old 05-29-2006, 12:33 AM   #5
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thats about what i got out of it
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Old 05-29-2006, 01:13 PM   #6
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so you can just flip ur tires? I never knew that. I thought u could just rotate them. But i guess since the stock tires arent directional its possible.
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Old 05-29-2006, 01:16 PM   #7
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Are you positive that you don't have a bent control arm of strut? Are you sure the springs were installed correctly? Is the ride height even from side to side? You may want to check the bearings too.

It looks like you can't get even camber even after getting the car realigned. Lowering it should increase camber, but it should do it evenly. Also, unless you run very soft tires, your original alignment specs should not wear out tires this quickly. I run -3.2 degrees of camber and 0.5 degrees total toe out in front and my street tires look almost new after about 15k miles. I really doubt that the alignment is the source of your tire wear problem.
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Old 05-29-2006, 01:38 PM   #8
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see....everyone on here recommended that i go get an alignment over replacing the dropped springs with stock springs. Ill have to get under there on day and figure it out. I understand that possibly the springs may not have been set in there properly. And yes these are stock wrx tires with only 15,000 miles on them. The entire inside section of tread is bald on the front tires and gettin there on the rear, so i just put the one in the front to the rear temporarily since i dont want to spend $400 on tires right this moment on an 05 vehicle.
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Old 05-30-2006, 01:26 AM   #9
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the 05 came with those super soft Potenza RE92 V rated tires, i believe. if that's what you have, then your before toe/camber spec will definitely wear out those tires in 15k miles. Martin's tires are much harder and i'm sure he's rotating them frequently when switching to autox tires twice a month.

i barely got 25k out of the H rated RE92 with 0 toe and -1 camber with frequent rotating.

my wife's leg wagon with H rated RE92 were wearing badly on the insides with no camber or toe at 25k. i turned them inside out and are now at 35k, about on the wear bars all around.

that said, you need to find out why the camber is so low in the right front. get your alignment were you want it for your needs before buying new tires.

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Old 05-31-2006, 11:46 PM   #10
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The front camber should be adjustable via the upper cam bolts. Did the aligment shop even attempt to bring the left camber within specifications?

From the aligment printout, it looks like whoever installed the springs didn't bother to mark the camber bolts before they removed the strut to install the springs.

Assuming that nothing is bent, here's how to check the camber settings:

1. Put the front of the car on stands and take both wheels off.
2. Look at the upper bolt that holds the strut to the hub assembly.
3. On the head of the bolt there's a series of hash marks. Compare the orientation of the hashes between the left and right sides.
4. While you have the wheels off you can easily check to see if the springs are seated correctly.

If the orientation is diffrent, the camber wasn't set correctly. Take it back to the aligment shop and have them do it right.

Also it doesn't matter if the alignment machine is set for the wrong type of car. The vhiecle setting on the alignment machine only provides a gide for the factory recomended tolerances. It's just an aid for the person doing the alignment.

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