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Old 10-17-2008, 06:29 PM   #51
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john my head hurts after reading not even close to half of this information. you changed your suspension specs so many times i dont even know what your running now!
Post 38 has the Cliff's notes. I alllmost bought Brad/Scooby921's Koni 8611 setup but decided that I really, really should just leave the car the f* alone

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ps when did you get the m3? im jelous

edit : just read your thread on your new cars. congrats on the m3 and sti. which car do you daily then? and how much for the civic, i need a DD
The M3 is the DD, the WRX lives in the garage. Yep... I race an econobox, and daily drive sports cars (Miata/MR2/M3). The Civic would be $3500 - 123K miles, fresh timing belt, been in the family its whole life.

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Old 10-17-2008, 06:32 PM   #52
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Oh yeah... there's a Philly region event at Citizen's Bank Park this Sunday. Home of the Phillies! It's a new lot, and very promising - should be very cool.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:51 PM   #53
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Event 23: Philly SCCA @ Citizen's Bank Park, Philadelphia PA

Home of the PHILLIES!!!

For those that didn't know - I was born/raised in the Philadelphia suburbs. I'll be moving back there next year. Go Phils!

This was a trial event at CBP. Hopefully the Phillies liked us and will invite us back. The lot is great! It's a good size, bigger than Ripken I believe, with some nice elevation changes. One of the course elements, if you squinted enough, vaguely resembled the Karussel OK, you have to squint quite a bit. Here's a video from a BSP Evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFc7HMuhpI

I ran the Bridgestones - too lazy to change tires after driving all that way. It was a "patience" course, lots of braking zones into sweepers that required careful throttle application so that you wouldn't push past the next key apex. I wasn't as patient as I needed to be - finished 2nd in STX (won a pintglass, woo) and PAX'd in the 20's. STU ruled the day. All 8 drivers in STU PAX'd in the top 10. The race tire people were having a hard time getting grip - and STU is crazy in Philly region!

Tuesday AM

I dropped my Neovas off at Radial Tire (www.radialtire.com) to get them flipped. My tires really took a beating at that test n' tune - four degrees of camber and a good amount of toe out will do that. Mental note: at a 20+ run TnT, rotate the tires halfway! I want to make sure they don't cord before I'm done using them. I may have to run them into the beginning of next year, depending on when the hot tires (whatever they are) are available. Bigsky has something like 200+ runs on his and I have a little over 100 so they should still last me a while.
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:33 PM   #54
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Nice thread, John. I'm (slowly) setting my GC up for STS, and a lot of the info should be applicable as the our cars are fairly similar (at least drivetrain-wise).
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Old 10-23-2008, 10:46 PM   #55
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Yeah, the only thing I would say about the GC's is to buy the best tires you can. J-rho kept up with the Civics in his 240SX by running 17x7.5's with 225 Neovas/RE01R's. The ability to run more tire is one of the only advantages the Subies have in STS.
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Old 10-27-2008, 12:38 AM   #56
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Wow, after an hour of reading I'm here. Can't wait to see how you did this weekend.
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Old 10-28-2008, 09:53 AM   #57
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Look who made it over to NASIOC.

Nice thread John! You know, if you stop hitting cones you'll be right there! The car setup feels great, although it does seem to be a little too loose most of the time. Then again, that's just my opinion based on my driving style. It will also keep co-drivers from heading towards walls. Just saying.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:45 AM   #58
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Oh noes! NASIOC has been invaded!!

I've been wondering about the suspension lately. The car has definitely been more loose in the last couple events, and there are some tweaks I want to make anyway...

Event 24: Susquehanna Region SCCA @ Hersheypark (10-25)

My wife was out of town this weekend, so I figured I'd try to do two events instead of 1. I made the trip up to Hershey on Saturday to check it out. It's a pretty good sized lot, bigger than Ripken but smaller than Fedex. The course was said to be designed after one of the courses from Nationals.

Oh yeah, and it was pouring. Boo!

Since it was pouring, I ran the Bridgestones. They still have a lot of tread on them and the Neovas are down to 3/32 or less so it wasn't too hard a decision. There was a lot of standing water out there and it didn't stop all day.

I ran heat 2, which didn't get the worst of it. I started out with an okay run, blowing a couple braking zones, making notes of where to improve. Second run was a little better but I broke some stuff that I did well on my first run. My 3rd run was a 60.6 - it felt pretty good. I wish I had video, but my cigarette lighter doesn't work My last run I went out trying to top the 3rd run. The first half went okay, but I pushed too hard in the showcase corner and ended up losing a lot of time sliding. I ended up 2nd in STX, *three seconds* behind Eric Simmons on full tread Toyo R1R's. Eric ended up with the second fastest time of the day. Damned Civics!! I ended up with the 5th fastest time of the day and a 5th place finish in PAX. I don't see myself beating David Newman in PAX too many times, so I'll take it

My codriver Travis (ProDarwin) ran the car in the deluge of 3rd heat and ended up 4th in STX.

Event 25: Autocrossers Inc @ Fedex (10-26)

Fortunately this event was 60's and sunny. Much better than the deluge of yesterday. This event would *also* be a replica of one of the courses from Nationals. I didn't know it until afterwards, because they drove very differently.

I co-drove with Iman (bdi) to get his impressions and steal his lines He also brought a datalogger but I'm not sure it was working. He has an STU STi so it's in the family.

My first run, I spun about 10 seconds in I was trying to stay on the backside of all the slalom cones, pretty aggressively, and there was not enough heat in the tires to give me the grip I needed. In the future I think I'm going to run the first run at lower pressures - maybe 36/33 - to help get heat in the tires sooner. Other than that, it was mostly a recon run.

Between runs we noticed that there was smoke coming from the turbo. Since there was a heatshield there it was hard to tell exactly what it was, but according to people smarter than me it smelled like coolant (white smoke). Since the car felt fine, we just kept driving it. Stock turbos are cheap after all

Iman's first run was a 60.0, +6 There was a very wierd wall element halfway through the course, and he hit most of it.

I went out trying to get a clean run, and put down a 60.6. I was still taking it easy though, having been bitten on the first run. My 3rd run, I got a 57.8 +1. I hit a stupid slalom cone 85% of the way through the run. My last run, I got a 58.7, but I backed off or braked in a lot of places just trying to get a "safe" run in. I knew that Vince had a 59.1 in his Mini (though I have been trying lately to not worry about anyone else's times - I think he told me) and felt that with a safe run I could still beat that. Iman then did the same thing on his 4th run, nabbing a 58.4.

The depressing part was that even on the 57.8 + 1 run, I could feel that there was speed I was missing. I had been late on two big offset sections, and hadn't braked well into the finish. I think the *car* had a 56 in it, easy, with someone else driving.

Iman felt the car felt good but was a little loose in spots. We also talked about ride height. He said that the lower he made his car, the better it felt, especially in slaloms. My car is sorta high right now (13.8/14.0) compared to most, plus the rake contributes a lot to the car's looseness. I have some ideas for suspension tuning for next year but will elaborate more in a future post

In the 60 degree weather, the tires were hot but not too hot in between runs. This is one case where having a pyrometer might be handy. I know when the tires are way too hot and need to be sprayed, but they were in a wierd in between hotness today. I only sprayed them once, after my 3rd run, and I'm not sure it was necessary.

Two events left: The November 15 Subaru Challenge (er... challenge promotion ) and a Tidewater Sports Car Club event on Nov 16 on the way back. After that, the car gets "winterized" and waits patiently for March
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:45 PM   #59
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John,

Great thread. I applaude you for taking the time to chronical all of this, it seems it would be a benefit to all others walking the same path. (subaru on street tires)

As far as a loose car. I would recommend that you'd want the car to have the potential to spin on your way to the start line. From there dial your inputs back on the steering wheel.


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Old 10-30-2008, 12:34 AM   #60
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great thread thanks for the specs and everything
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:33 PM   #61
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Very good reading! I'm not nearly as anal about recording the setups on my car. I don't remember the last time it was on an alignment rack, and I bring 1 set of tires to run on. If it rains, I run the RS2 kooks.

Interesting details on the rake. I think we discussed it at some point too. Don't forget to just put the wrenches down and drive sometimes!!!!

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Old 10-30-2008, 07:53 PM   #62
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Yeah, no worries about that. By the time the season's over I'll have done 27 events. I haven't changed the alignment/ride heights in a little while.

There are a few possibilities for next year:
-Leave it 100% alone, buy new tires, drive
-Try lowering the car a little, with a little less bumpstop, and keep everything pretty much the same otherwise.
-Try the "more spring, less bar" thing again... maybe a 600 lb/in front spring, with a 24mm bar, or something like that.

I am leaning towards #2 - should be pretty easy to reverse if it doesn't work. I think the car is pretty close, and might not be "ideal" with the big bar, but it works pretty well for not being ideal
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:46 AM   #63
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If you're going to make any changes, make them early and then tweak from there. I think you got a lot of benefit this year from leaving the setup relatively the same. While the car may not be perfectly setup, it allowed you to concentrate on driving and it showed in your raw times...just stop hitting cones!
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Old 11-15-2008, 08:00 PM   #64
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Got to compete with Buttdyno today at the subaru challenge, he beat me by 9 tenths. I also got a ridealong in his car, and it felt great from the passenger seat.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:45 AM   #65
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Small teaser... some video from the 11-16 Tidewater event.

The sound got cut off - I guess the microphone was loose - so I added in some silent movie music. This was my worst run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10k5IpLVCn0
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Well, at least you finally have video...kind of.
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:58 AM   #67
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Event 26: Subaru Challenge (sponsored by Folger Subaru, not Subaru of America) - Carowinds (11-15)

We were all very sad when it was announced that Subaru of America would not be backing any Subaru Challenge events in 2008. It had been a great event for the last five years, even though it always rained (Mother Nature’s way of reminding us why we have Subarus, I guess). After several sad and emo months weeping for the loss of the challenge, Folger Subaru in Charlotte stepped up to host one! The Central Carolina SCCA region handled the sanctioning and the autocross part.

I can’t say that any of us were thinking rationally when we decided to go. Combining the Challenge with a Sunday event in Virginia Beach (hosted by the Tidewater Sports Car Club) it would mean driving about 1200 miles for something like ten minutes of seat time. But, well, the math for autocross has never been that great anyway…

Since you have to run a Subaru, Slava (MicaCeli) co-drove with me, and Ed (saint_foo) co-drive with fellow MAIC’er Ian (iangotanSTI). Travis (ProDarwin) drove his 2.5RS. We started down on Friday. After rendez-vousing at Sheetz, we headed down 81-S. Gas was down to 1.99 a gallon for 93 octane in the sticks - bonus. As we crossed the border to North Carolina, we were greeted with this:


Welcome to North… something.

We awoke to… rain.

All of ST* ran in the first heat, so me, Slava and Travis all got to dry the course for the folks with the huge race tires. We had to choose between the fulltread RE01Rs and the shaved Yokos. The conditions were drying - the event was running a little late, and all the rain was pretty much past us - but with the possibility of future rain and all the water on course we ran the Bridgestones.

Setup cliff notes:
Subaru Challenge (wet)
450#/500#
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13.8"/14.0"
27mm/22mm
RE01Rs, 33/30


The conditions during the coursewalk

The course was a drift-fest with everyone fighting to find grip. The first couple of runs were very sloppy - pretty much everyone was getting sideways around the first big sweeper -> slalom. We started out at 33/30 on the pressures, but had dropped them down all the way to 30/27 by the time we were on our last runs.

I managed to get down to a 53.0 on my 4th run to take the lead. STX was still losing to those pesky STS cars though On my last run, Perry (SportWRX) hopped in to see what it felt like. I ran a 52.6, but hit the last hittable cone on course, one of those pesky slalom cones. The 52.6 would have been good enough to PAX just behind the top STS car at least, but as is my tradition this year I couldn't keep it clean. I did end up winning STX though, with Chris from TN (thrdeye, last year’s South Central Subaru Challenge winner) finishing 2nd and Slava was another four tenths back in 3rd place.


Slava on course

When working the course it became obvious why there was so little grip even when the course was almost dry. As everyone drove by, you could see their cars kick up sand. Basically, it was a pretty low grip surface, compared to most of the asphalt we usually run on.

My rain contingency plan is generally just to soften the shocks and drop the tire pressures until the car pretty much sticks. Today this wasn't enough. In the wet the car still didn't feel quite right. One of my plans for next year is to get the car on the alignment rack at its "dry" height, and then lower both of the rear spring perches, and see how much camber it adds. I'm guessing that I will not have to add much, since lowering the rear is both removing rake, and adding negative camber - both of which should help rear grip. It's incredibly easy to change the ride height on my suspension, especially in the rear, where I can just jack the car up on the rear diff, change the perches, and drop it. It shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes.

It's one of those things where, in order to get piggy turbo buggies to turn in the dry, you need to do crazy things like run rear biased springs, a bunch of camber in the front, etc etc. So when it gets wet, sometimes it can be too much. That is my setup now, but now I have a plan.

If you have never been to a Subaru Challenge, the way it works is -
-Everyone does their normal class runs.
-Top 4, 8, or 16 in PAX each do two runs in the Superstar Challenge round.
-Both runs count, so if you hit a cone you're in trouble and if you DNF, you're out.
-Best combined PAX time for your two runs, wins.

Today though, both runs didn't count. Not sure why.

For the Challenge round, with the now-dry course I could have swapped the AD07's on but chose not to. We had a 6 hr drive ahead of us and I didn't want to spend any more time on site than necessary.

The Challenge went okay. I ended up in 7th (I WAS SEVENTH!!!), a mere nineteen thousandths off thrdeye (doh!) with a 51.9. After the skijump and the ensuing WOT section, I had a very nice trailbrake into the turnaround sweeper, but at corner exit I got greedy on the gas and got a little sideways. It cost me some time, but not as much as I would have needed - I would have had to drop down to a 50.8 to beat Karen (CamaroFS34) in her DS car. It's pretty embarrassing losing to someone who only bought their automatic WRX because it was "Cool", but these things happen sometimes

In the end, project:BDR took home three trophies, and MAIC represented itself very well.

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Event 27: Tidewater Sports Car Club @ ACU-4

After the Challenge, we had a nice, brisk, six hour drive to Norfolk for the second event of the weekend. This event was with the Tidewater Sports Car Club and the site is a hovercraft pad on a Navy base. If you've never been here it's damned cool.

You get to drive next to the water:


And you get to grid/paddock next to hovercraft!


Sorry about the crummy pictures - my regular camera was broken so those are screen grabs from the video.

Duncan (dunk) from the VB area was without a car for this event (because his JIC coilovers *broke* and some parts of his car got bent - JIC is crap, I would like to reemphasize this) so I let him codrive my car, as well as Slava.

We ran the AD07's, since we weren't under as much time pressure and because, well, we brought em We were running low pressures though, IIRC 33/30. Unlike yesterday we didn't have to drop them to 30/27 to get them to stick.

dunk ran heat #3 and had a 63.9. He felt the car was really loose.

My first run was okay. I knew the car was going to be slidey in the cold so I took it easy.

Second run: (video) - the car felt pretty good. I got a 64.0. No major mistakes but I felt that there was a lot of speed to be had on the back stretch.

Third run: (video) - I way overdrove this run. About halfway through the run the tires started squealing like crazy, and not gripping, especially under braking. This was a giveaway that I had overheated them. The video is somewhat amusing, because the sound cut out, so I dubbed in some silent movie style music.

Fourth run: (video) - I ran a better time - 63.8 - but with a cone. I've watched the video a couple times and I'm still not sure where I hit it.

Fifth run: I hit a slalom cone early, but then was red flagged for some reason. Whew! I didn't rip the video, as it was short, and full of profanity

Re-run: (video) - I felt pretty good about this run, but it was slow - 64.7. I was giving up time everywhere to keep it clean and as a result never got faster.

I ended up sitting on my 64.0. Doh! Another co-driver defeated me.

The car was definitely on the looser side of things today. I didn't feel like it was uncontrollable (I didn't spin or anything) but Slava and dunk definitely did. I think we were both right. Huh?

Well - in the dry, two months ago, with warmer weather - the car was great. (After I fixed the rear bar, at least. Sorry Josh! *ducks*) I can point to a few events where, although it took me more than four runs, I got some really good times out of the car and it wasn't loose, scary or anything like that. My co-drivers then (Jeff (Scooby Freak) and Travis) weren't complaining about the car being too loose.

But in the colder climates (and with a bunch more runs on the tires - now up to 158), and especially in the rain, there was a lot less grip available. In order to have the car handle well in the dry you have to make a lot of compromises that don't work very well when there is less grip out there. This is pretty redundant with what I posted under the Challenge writeup, but worth restating. I definitely need to have a "low grip" setup ready to go that I know will work. I mean, sure, I can drive the car without spinning, because I'm used to it. But, if I can't toss the car at all, it's going to be a lot harder to drive faster.

Nationals is in September and has been in the wet or cold plenty depending on what run group you end up being in. So one of my "test and tune" priorities for next year will be to nail the low grip setup down.

Next season plans

After resisting the urge to buy Brad (Scooby921)'s 8611 coilovers I don't think any really big changes are in store. Here's my list:

1) Interior (rice):
-Get rid of the armrest extension. Since I'm not DD'ing the car it's not that helpful.
-Swap the JDM Ver7 cluster out for a USDM STi cluster. That way when a normal person drives the car they can figure out how fast it's going without converting kph to mph.
-Put the Alpine stereo from the MR2 into the WRX. Should be a little lighter but more importantly I can use the iPod more easily on road trips, and won't have to deal with CD's anymore.
-Get red LED's installed so that everything matches. ("ricer!!!")

2) Data acquisition. Hopefully I'll have some news on this front soon

3) Suspension tweaks.
-I am keeping the same coilovers and spring rates, for sure. My knee jerk reaction to the last couple of events was to want to swap the Cobb rear bar out for an OEM 20mm bar, but then if the car ever ends up being too tight, I would not be able to stiffen the rear bar to compensate.
-Some sort of aftermarket bushings in the rear lateral links. Not sure if this will be Grp N rubber, or poly stuff.
-Cusco front camber plates, haxored and flipped for more caster. I'm hoping to be able to get -3.5 camber and something like +6 caster. I am not yet 100% sure it's worth it since I would be giving up a lot of bump travel to do this. I'm not selling the Ground Control plates though, having learned my lesson about selling parts before you're sure the replacement is better
-Cut the bump stops. Brad did this and was able to run his car lower as a result. When I was at 13.6 instead of 13.8 I noticed a ride quality hit. I'm hoping I can get back down to that height and not be riding the stops *as* much.

4) ProTune. As discussed on page 1, the car is down a lot of torque at 3000-3500 RPM and I would like to get that back.

5) I may get TurboXS to build me a lighter (probably louder ) catback. The Scoobysport is awesome - it sounds amazing without being a cop magnet. But it's also really heavy, something like 40 lbs. I think I can get it down to at least 20 and maybe less. This is a low priority but it shouldn't be very expensive either.

2009 Schedule

I'm moving to Philadelphia but would like to keep doing the WDCR/SCCA events. It's a good way to see the friends that I'll be abandoning, plus Fedex is a great lot.

Autocrossers Inc was also at Fedex (and hopefully will be in 2009) and as an added bonus, you can do AM *and* PM if the event doesn't fill up. I will do these whenever possible too.

Philly region also runs great events and naturally will be a lot closer With the prospect of getting to run at CBP (and possibly other places) I am sure I will end up here a lot.

Finally, the national stuff. The 2009 schedule was announced recently:
http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/334091.aspx

My tentative plan is:
-All the WDCR/SCCA events
-6-12 - Tour in NY
-6-20 - ProSolo at Fedex
-7-25 - ProSolo in Ohio
-8-9 - Northeast Divisional in Massachusetts
-9-5 to 9-11 - Nationals in Nebraska

We'll see though. None of those are concrete except Nationals so I need to find a way to get some concrete in there somewhere.
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Nice writeups John (as usual). No need to duck though, I just like to think that event taught you to actually change it if you need to...a learning experience.

Looks like a good plan for next season, especially the data acquisition. Something I need to get, but with the budget going towards other items, I may be borrowing yours.

I'm essentially running the same schedule as you next year, except that I doubt I'll be running the Toledo Pro. But everything else looks good, so I'll definitely see you out there all next season.
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:48 PM   #70
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I'd go for -2.8 to -3.0 camber w/+6 caster instead of -3.5.

I've noticed that with +8/9 caster anything more than -2.5 static camber is useless.

Last week I setup an 05 STi with PDE plates/free caster mod and I got +7.4 caster. I put the front camber at -2.1 static and with 90* of steering input the camber on the outside wheel (left or right) went from -2.1 to -2.6. At 180* input it was at -2.9.

My Legacy at +6.5 caster does similar, but I also run a little more -camber static. I dont remember the 90*/190* curve on it but its somewhere around -3.1 when its -2.4 static.
Will I be able to get to -3.5 with the plates hacked that way?

I assume that I want to use as little static negative camber as possible to accomplish my goals (to help braking, digging out of corners, etc) and that with +6 caster I will need less - I just don't know exactly where that line is yet. Great numbers though. I wonder what it looks like on my existing setup with stock caster when the wheel is turned... probably not good.
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if only i had the power to go w/ this transmission...
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