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Old 08-03-2018, 10:58 PM   #726
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Chromebooks are the ultimate parentputer. I got one for my mom about five years ago (that the Chromebook 15 just replaced) and my tech support calls went down to almost zero. They don't have spyware/viruses, they seamlessly handle their own updates, and they require zero maintenance. Honestly ChromeOS has gotten so good (with Android/Linux apps) that it could function as my main machine with what I require of a PC these days.
this. my wife went from a random dell windows system to an Asus chromebook of some sort. She went lower end so the screen and stuff aren't quite as good maybe, but she's been pretty happy with it...

for realz though, if you just internet, a chromebook is pretty good.
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Old 08-04-2018, 12:17 PM   #727
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Basic use for MS Office work and surfing. No specific requests.

For someone I know. Just think standard laptop a company would give out. Touchscreen, USB-C,... not necessarily needed.

I suggested Dell XPS13. So maybe like that. I'll suggest the T480.
The XPS13 is a nice computer, with a lot of power and a great form factor, but when I worked at a place that repaired computers (I was the guy that checked them in...not that fixed them), I checked quite a few of them in for a wide range of problems. The limitations are that A) I do not know how many of them sold relative to other computers, B) owners may have had higher expectations of that computer than they would a less-expensive machine, and C) this was a previous generation (e.g, I do not believe the current model has the intermittent WiFi issues that a previous generation had.)
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:00 PM   #728
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Now that I'm on my 10th (or so) thinkpad - I seriously cannot recommend anything else.

The outlet store has great deals.

My 3rd gen X1carbon has survived my son doing all sorts of terrible things to it.
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:17 PM   #729
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The XPS13 is a nice computer, with a lot of power and a great form factor, but when I worked at a place that repaired computers (I was the guy that checked them in...not that fixed them), I checked quite a few of them in for a wide range of problems. The limitations are that A) I do not know how many of them sold relative to other computers, B) owners may have had higher expectations of that computer than they would a less-expensive machine, and C) this was a previous generation (e.g, I do not believe the current model has the intermittent WiFi issues that a previous generation had.)
My XPS13 is a 2015... not sure what gen that would be. I've had the mentioned power brick issues, looking for fixes it seems a common enough issue but people normally are the most vocal when they're not happy. I figured it wouldn't be bad for light gaming but it will fall on its face running steam games, if gaming at all is a concern.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:29 PM   #730
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this. my wife went from a random dell windows system to an Asus chromebook of some sort. She went lower end so the screen and stuff aren't quite as good maybe, but she's been pretty happy with it...

for realz though, if you just internet, a chromebook is pretty good.
My wife got an Acer R11, and loves it. It's among the better budget minded Chromebooks.
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Old 09-05-2018, 10:26 AM   #731
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Do all Chromebooks freeze, or just the POS Acer i got my wife?

it seems that when searching for an answer, HP, Samsung, etc. ALL have tons of hits for this problem.

just wanted something easy for her (she just uses internet, email, and a couple other apps - no gaming, etc.)

spent a little over $300 for this thing, and after a couple hours it froze on her ... its going back. im not spending $1200 on one ... not sure if i should try another brand/model?

any suggestions on a mid-priced Chromebook convertible, or just avoid altogether?
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Old 09-05-2018, 10:30 AM   #732
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Do all Chromebooks freeze, or just the POS Acer i got my wife?

it seems that when searching for an answer, HP, Samsung, etc. ALL have tons of hits for this problem.

just wanted something easy for her (she just uses internet, email, and a couple other apps - no gaming, etc.)

spent a little over $300 for this thing, and after a couple hours it froze on her ... its going back. im not spending $1200 on one ... not sure if i should try another brand/model?

any suggestions on a mid-priced Chromebook convertible, or just avoid altogether?
I have used 2 of them extensively... never had any freezing problems.
Were they hard freezes requiring a reboot? Or did it hang momentarily and eventually revive itself?
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Old 09-05-2018, 10:33 AM   #733
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I have used 2 of them extensively... never had any freezing problems.
Were they hard freezes requiring a reboot? Or did it hang momentarily and eventually revive itself?
hard freeze, completely unresponsive - had to hold power button in for 30 seconds or so and it finally rebooted.
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Old 09-05-2018, 09:47 PM   #734
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Mine is the cheapest I could find and a refirb and haven't had problems but I don't use it everyday. Poking around the most common suggestion is resetting the OS back to out of the box. I've done this after messing around with trying other OSes and is pretty easy and quick. Double check anything she wants isn't saved on the machine and give it a shot. It doesn't look like it's a fix but just seems it makes the crash less frequent.

Most/all of the complaints I saw were "after hibernation" making me guess that it's running out of memory and ****s itself which is par for the course with the chrome web browser.
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Old 10-24-2018, 08:18 PM   #735
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Any thoughts on the Lenovo P1?
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops...filiate:bv0as6

My office has a neat ~30% discount on this model, but I have until tomorrow morning to take advantage of it. I've been using a Dell G7 for a combination of Adobe and moderate gaming, but it's been very disappointing at both. Now I want to use the potential replacement strictly for Adobe work.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:07 PM   #736
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I jumped on a deal my company had for a Lenovo X1 Extreme before Black Friday. $1,650 got me an i7-8750, 32GB DDR4-2666, 256MB M.2 NVME, GTX 1050Ti MaxQ, 4k display, and an IR camera. It's not the Xeon-equipped P1 that I was hoping for. The Xeon and the P2000 Quadro commanded a $400 price increase. I've had the machine for over a week now, and it is a delightful machine. Very classy and it can handle content creation better than the old Dell G7.
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:01 PM   #737
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Picked up a Lenovo Yoga 730 to replace my Yoga 3 Pro. Damn nice little unit. I almost spent a lot more on the 930 (or 920) but after holding them in my hand I liked the proportions of the 730 better, and for what I use it for I don't think the performance increase was worth the cost.

It was $750 at Best Buy, I asked if they would price match Amazon @ $699, they said they only would do it if the item was shipping from Amazon and not a third party. I said "oh this one is shipping from Lenovo not Amazon" and the guy said he'd give it to me at that price anyway which was pretty cool of him.
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Old 04-10-2019, 01:20 PM   #738
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I'm going through my computer crap to see what I want to keep and get rid of. I had the two OEM dell power supplies for my xps13 and started to **** around to see if I could find a reason they both don't work with the problem seeming to NOT be the power port on the laptop. I've used an old power supply from something I had that worked, it does have the same power specs as the dell bricks, but it will NOT charge since the computer can't 'talk' to the power supply. I could use the power supply from the dell "doc" that wasn't really a doc to sometimes coax the computer to charge. It wasn't as much of a nightmare as it might sound but I was getting ready to finally get something new but was able to get one of the two OEM power bricks to work. Sometimes. I have do various unplug/plug one side in or the other and it'll eventually turn on. It puts me back on the fence about getting something new and might just wait another year if this holds up.

For linux folk that want laptops these guys come highly recommended. I was was going to get their lower end 14" laptop with some upgrades. I wouldn't mind another xps13 but you can't get them without 8GB of ram... in 2019. Bull****.

https://system76.com/laptops
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I'm going through my computer crap to see what I want to keep and get rid of. I had the two OEM dell power supplies for my xps13 and started to **** around to see if I could find a reason they both don't work with the problem seeming to NOT be the power port on the laptop. I've used an old power supply from something I had that worked, it does have the same power specs as the dell bricks, but it will NOT charge since the computer can't 'talk' to the power supply. I could use the power supply from the dell "doc" that wasn't really a doc to sometimes coax the computer to charge. It wasn't as much of a nightmare as it might sound but I was getting ready to finally get something new but was able to get one of the two OEM power bricks to work. Sometimes. I have do various unplug/plug one side in or the other and it'll eventually turn on. It puts me back on the fence about getting something new and might just wait another year if this holds up.

For linux folk that want laptops these guys come highly recommended. I was was going to get their lower end 14" laptop with some upgrades. I wouldn't mind another xps13 but you can't get them without 8GB of ram... in 2019. Bull****.

https://system76.com/laptops
That Dell smart charging crap was always a nightmare. I think it was all just a scam to force you into buying OEM power adapters, but half the time it failed and laptops wouldn't charge no matter what.

I'm so glad USB-C is everywhere now. Proprietary charging bull**** ftl
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Yep, that and soldered in batteries. Now I can be almost sure I can charge my laptop, I've been using it unplugged. I got a solid 5 hours last night doing normal stuff. It's right around 4 years old, original battery. I'll keep it if I still get the other machine. Prolly a good 4 more years left in the old girl.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:15 PM   #742
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Seeking guidance from the infinitely wise IT gurus of OT.

I haven't bought a laptop in a long time....like, a REALLY long time.

Any recommendations for a pretty basic laptop with a good processor, good memory etc..?

Really just needing one (or 2 ) for kids doing homework and general household usage. No gaming or streaming.

Would like to have the basic Microsoft Office, but most of that is on the cloud now-a-days if I'm not mistaken.
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Seeking guidance from the infinitely wise IT gurus of OT.

I haven't bought a laptop in a long time....like, a REALLY long time.

Any recommendations for a pretty basic laptop with a good processor, good memory etc..?

Really just needing one (or 2 ) for kids doing homework and general household usage. No gaming or streaming.

Would like to have the basic Microsoft Office, but most of that is on the cloud now-a-days if I'm not mistaken.
Panny Toughbook? With LibreOffice?
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Literally any computer on the market will do just fine. Just look for one with an SSD and 8GB RAM. I have had good luck with Lenovo and ASUS.
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Office 2019 is sold as a one-time purchase, which means you pay a single, up-front cost to get Office apps for one computer. One-time purchases are available for both PCs and Macs. However, there are no upgrade options which means if you plan to upgrade to the next major release, you'll have to buy it at full price.

Office Online is a free version of Office that you can use in a web browser. All you need is to sign up for a Microsoft Account with a new or existing email address. Try the Office Online apps.
Ms Lag does documentation for work. She tried openoffice not exactly hating it but still ended up buying MSoffice. I use openoffice or libreoffice mostly wishing I had bought MSoffice the last time I had open/libreoffice **** the bed multiple times trying to finish a simple paper. I don't have kids but can only believe you will suffer less having yours use what is most common in their school for when they help.

+1 to mark, i get laptops for my mom to help keep peace between her and dad. The last one I got about 2 years ago was/is a very nice web browser and near the bottom for pricing. The only thing I found better, price + what sort of hardware is really needed for planned use, would be chromebooks but just knowing it's not windows would lead to everything being wrong/not working/otherwise broke for her and dad would break my face after playing tech support.


link to msoffice breakdown how they're doing office now

https://support.office.com/en-us/art...0-a239bd27eb96
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I have an MS Office subscription though my job but I almost never use it anymore... Google Docs/Sheets/Slides ftw. Collaboration and sharing is so simple.
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I think a big part of it is what you get used to. I used MS Office products for decades at work, and had Office pro at home as well. But I have also used OpenOffice/LibreOffice installed on my home PCs, and I used it a lot as well. I do prefer MS Office, but only because I am more familiar with it and know where everything is and how to do everything. I KNOW it is possible to do the same with Libre/OO as well, it just takes longer, since the menus are different. It would probably be the opposite if I had used LO/OO more.

lag: I have never had any stability problems using LO/OO. I have HAVE had compatibility issues with complex scripts developed in MS and trying to use them in OO.
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Surface Pro 7? Any hot takes? Costco has the i5, 8 GB ram and 128 SSD for $800 including the pen.
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They are fine, but I suggest really trying one out for a while if possible before you commit. I thought it would be the ideal device for me, but the less stable keyboard and and limited lap-ability just wasn't for me. Also, the keyboard was kind of annoying when folded backwards for tablet use, unless you detached it... but then you gotta keep track of the keyboard or stash it away when not using it, then when you need it you gotta dig it out and reattach it...

It just didn't fit my workflow as well as I had hoped. I got rid of the Surface and switched to a Yoga, no regrets.

I guess I needed a laptop that could also be a tablet as opposed to a tablet that could also be a laptop.

YMMV, you may love it.



EDIT: If I was going to buy a laptop/hybrid today it would be the Lenovo Yoga C940, or if on a budget I'd get the C740 (which is priced close to that Costco Surface Pro and is similarly spec'd)

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I think a big part of it is what you get used to. I used MS Office products for decades at work, and had Office pro at home as well. But I have also used OpenOffice/LibreOffice installed on my home PCs, and I used it a lot as well. I do prefer MS Office, but only because I am more familiar with it and know where everything is and how to do everything. I KNOW it is possible to do the same with Libre/OO as well, it just takes longer, since the menus are different. It would probably be the opposite if I had used LO/OO more.

lag: I have never had any stability problems using LO/OO. I have HAVE had compatibility issues with complex scripts developed in MS and trying to use them in OO.
I would not take my user experience as much more than me trying nothing and was out of ideas. I used a xps13, same one I still use, nothing special/modded. Most/all of the work was only done only on the xps with Open office or Libre, I switched at some point but only using one or the other at a time. I can't remember if auto-save is on by default... I used that along with a cronjob to save the saved files having a sort of versioned copies to recover from. < that after few too many times the software couldn't recover the files I was working on when it **** the bed.

The system is targeted for the kids and school. Thinking again, I don't have kids or have any idea what schools generally use now. Mostly thinking just keeping things easy if they, kiddos, need help, most folks will at least be familiar with Word/MSoffice stuff and not be put off simply because it's not MSoffice and they stop there when/if the kids might need help. But that sort of reasoning is why we're all stuck in a MicroSoft world underpinned by 'nix systems. <

All said, if you're not worried about a specific things like gaming/video editing stuff that really needs good stuff to be enjoyable it seems really hard to go wrong on the hardware side of things for CPU/Memory. I would focus on build quality and how long you'd expect/want it to last.
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