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Old 12-11-2019, 02:39 PM   #76
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they knew the range and efficiency were garbage so they marketed all this stuff about their peak charge rates.

more proof that there's little reason to have a non Tesla EV today besides wanting to be different or wanting to get something that cost less than the low end Model 3 trims.
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they knew the range and efficiency were garbage so they marketed all this stuff about their peak charge rates.

more proof that there's little reason to have a non Tesla EV today besides wanting to be different or wanting to get something that cost less than the low end Model 3 trims.
I wonder if Tesla Plaid Model S will have range of 400 miles with the 21700 cells
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Old 12-11-2019, 03:09 PM   #78
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they knew the range and efficiency were garbage so they marketed all this stuff about their peak charge rates.

more proof that there's little reason to have a non Tesla EV today besides wanting to be different or wanting to get something that cost less than the low end Model 3 trims.
Unless you want a vehicle with you know an actual interior that does not look like a set of duplo legos. LOL... Seriously, the Tesla is going to fall further and further behind. Rivian is a far more interesting brand to watch.
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:08 PM   #79
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The interior. Scrap's final goalpost. Or is it? lolololol
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Old 12-11-2019, 04:33 PM   #80
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nah, the exterior is bland as well. LOLOL
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Old 12-14-2019, 03:28 PM   #81
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The Model S obviously excels in certain areas. Acting like the Porsche is garbage is pure fanboism.

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Old 12-14-2019, 08:18 PM   #82
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The interior. Scrap's final goalpost. Or is it? lolololol
Why is it a hard thing to stomach that Scrappy doesn’t like the interior and exterior looks of a Tesla? I guess we all need to be the same and just like Tesla’s? Your angst for scrappy needs to chill a tad. It’s just a god damn car.

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The Model S obviously excels in certain areas. Acting like the Porsche is garbage is pure fanboism.

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Old 12-14-2019, 09:16 PM   #83
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Why is it a hard thing to stomach that Scrappy doesn’t like the interior and exterior looks of a Tesla? I guess we all need to be the same and just like Tesla’s? Your angst for scrappy needs to chill a tad. It’s just a god damn car.
Angst? I like Scrap. And it's simple lighthearted ribbing he knows full well.

And no, not everybody needs to like Tesla or their style. I hate the way they look personally. Which is why make fun of Scrap's endless not gonna throw props ever for any reason at Tesla posts. You don't need to be in this TeslaArmy nonsense people here throw around as if the usagainstthemisms applies to everything always. Loony tunes on both sides like it's stupid politics.
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Old 12-14-2019, 11:48 PM   #84
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Why is it a hard thing to stomach that Scrappy doesn’t like the interior and exterior looks of a Tesla?
re-ask....what thread about Tesla wasn't Scraps in bitching about it?

It's a got damn busted record or scratched CD, dude. Now, do you have any Kahlua?
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Old 02-18-2020, 06:04 AM   #85
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So Much For QUALITY. This Is The FIRST Report Of A Porsche Taycan Going UP IN SMOKE...

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The rollout of the all-new Porsche Taycan is certainly proving to be quite difficult.

Although it's been plagued by lower-than-expected range and zipping through it rather quickly, a new issue just cropped up as of Sunday. That's because one of the first delivered Taycan vehicles has allegedly caught fire in a Florida owner's garage.

The image we see shows a completely burned out vehicle. There's not much left aside from the frame and some metal components. As you'd expect, this caused significant damage to the garage and reports indicate the house as well.

As of now details remain extremely minimal. A video showing the aftermath was removed from Twitter per the owner's request and, according to Twitter user "VWCHARTS," Porsche's desire to keep the situation "hush hush."

Many fans of the all-new Taycan exclaim that the Porsche is the vehicle to have due to improved quality of Tesla's long-standing quality control issues. We're thinking that those folks will have to revisit their talking points.

Vehicle fires happen in standard, gasoline-powered autos. Additionally, Tesla fires have been extensively reported by the media.

A Porsche Taycan electric car caught on fire at a residence in Florida yesterday, leading to significant damage to the house and a complete loss of the car.

After launching the Taycan late last year, the German premium automaker started deliveries in December, with the first 130 cars in the US.

Now we learn that one of those Taycan premium sedans has caught on fire and burned down a garage in South Florida on February 16.

Not many details are known at this time, but images of the aftermath were posted on social media showing that the electric car was burned down to the some parts of the frame, and the garage sustained significant damages...
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A Porsche Taycan electric car caught on fire at a residence in Florida yesterday, leading to significant damage to the house and a complete loss of the car.

After launching the Taycan late last year, the German premium automaker started deliveries in December, with the first 130 cars in the US.

Now we learn that one of those Taycan premium sedans has caught on fire and burned down a garage in South Florida on February 16.

Not many details are known at this time, but images of the aftermath were posted on social media showing that the electric car was burned down to the some parts of the frame, and the garage sustained significant damages:

@Porsche Taycan exploded in Florida garage. @Tesla @elonmusk @teslataxisea #taycan #taycanexploded #ev @andrew_gold_ pic.twitter.com/LHL392RWfs

— options trader (@VWCHARTS) February 17, 2020

Locals on Twitter who have videos of the aftermath are not sharing details in order to protect the identity of the owner, but they claim that the vehicle “exploded” inside the garage.

We reached out to Porsche to get more details.

The automaker confirmed to Electrek that they are aware of the incident and that no one was hurt.

At this point, Porsche says that it is too early to speculate about the cause, but they are investigating the situation. A Porsche spokesperson told Electrek that it is the first reported instance of a fire involving a Taycan.

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We’re glad that no one was hurt. At least physically, because it must hurt emotionally to see your brand-new $150,000+ car and garage being destroyed like that.

Electric car fires often get a lot of attention from the mainstream media, despite the fact that they happen far less frequently than gasoline car fires.

Fires involving Tesla vehicles in particular get a lot of coverage, and they do appear to be more frequent than other electric vehicles, but it’s mainly due to the fact that Tesla has a lot more EVs on the road than any other automakers.

In terms of the Taycan, what is more worrying is that there are currently very few of them on the road, and one already caught on fire.

However, I think it’s too early to panic here. A lot of different things could have happened to cause the fire, and some of them would have nothing to do with the car itself.

We will keep monitoring the situation, and we will update when we get more details.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:38 AM   #86
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This will be a PR nightmare. There sure as hell cant be many out with customers and to have one explode is unacceptable. Definitely going to follow this story and see where it goes.

Christ, imagine if this was in a garage with a few other high end exotics parked in it.
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Old 02-18-2020, 10:57 AM   #87
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Meanwhile 3,815 ICE vehicles caught on fire today. Including one I saw on the way to work this morning. And that's just normal.

However if this Porsche really did spontaneously go up due to a battery issue, the numbers aren't looking good for them considering the small denominator. Oof.
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Old 02-18-2020, 11:09 AM   #88
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Meanwhile 3,815 ICE vehicles caught on fire today. Including one I saw on the way to work this morning. And that's just normal.

However if this Porsche really did spontaneously go up due to a battery issue, the numbers aren't looking good for them considering the small denominator. Oof.
I mean, there's a big difference between an ICE having an issue and catching fire while driving and an EV catching fire while vacant and charging in an attached garage.

I expect full transparency from VAG regarding this fire.
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I mean, there's a big difference between an ICE having an issue and catching fire while driving and an EV catching fire while vacant and charging in an attached garage.

I expect full transparency from VAG regarding this fire.
ICE vehicles have caught on fire spontaneously, too. Google that ****.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:11 PM   #90
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It's more of the general impression that because EV's don't use gas, that the car won't burn. But batteries exploding or catching on fire happen. We've heard about it in electronics (cell phones, vape pens, hoverboards, laptops, lead acid car batteries, wireless headphones). Airlines don't want you to have batteries in checked bags. EV's are put on the spotlight because they are the new popular thing.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:13 PM   #91
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ICE vehicles have caught on fire spontaneously, too. Google that ****.
I'm sure it's happened. Not going to dispute that. But that's not what the 3,815 number represents...
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:27 AM   #92
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Ze Germans and electrical components... shocking! Probably some over-engineered small part failure was the cause.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:55 AM   #93
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Default Bill Gates Finally Gives Up His 1989 LS400 For A Taycan? And Musk Pulls A Trump-Style



Bill Gates really shocked the world when he became one of the first super wealthy to not only buy the original Lexus LS400, but to laud about how much better he thought it was better than a German car.


Over the years I've met him a number of times during my Apple and other tech company days. Sometimes planned or randomly running into each other.

I was actually a little shocked when I took the family on a vacation to Seattle in 2006 and when we were leaving the hotel in the morning, he drove up in his GOLD LS400.

He got out said hi and we chatted for a few minutes and he said hi to the kids and then booked into his meeting in the hotel.

What was cool was he had NO security detail (that I could see) and drove up by himself just like a regular guy.

And I've always admired him even though I'm a former Apple guy because:

1. He's a class act and the real deal. Not all puffed up like many I've met like say the Ellison's of the world.
2. Hes done more charity to help people than virtually anyone on the planet.
3. He's an extremely competitive guy, especially with any tech comapnies that could somehow end up being a threat to his holdings.

And like with his LS400, he likes to sometimes make statements.

So when I heard in this interview that he got a Porsche Taycan and that it was his FIRST EV, I was a little surprised to say the least.

Surprised, because he is frugal sometimes and I would have thought he would be all over a Tesla. Then I got thinking, hmmmm, MAYBE in private he tried to buy Tesla and let's say maybe the two leaders locked horns.

THEN, my suspicions were heightened when Elon threw out a Trump-like DISS to him on Twitter saying..."My conversations with Gates have been underwhelming tbh".




OH YEAH..throw that chick a burger and Glucerna..WOW that’s scary there Man..sad she is real pretty too
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You guys remember the Will Smith movie "I Robot"? Will Smith and supporting main female get on a motorcycle and the woman is scared because it runs on gasoline and "gasoline explodes". I'm reminded of it every time people talk about a massive slab of lion batteries underneath their car.
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Talked with my surgeon yesterday (has a gt2rs, gt3rs, brand new turbo 911 and a handful of others) about the Taycan that exploded. Supposed rumor mill is the owner didn’t have his charger wired correctly or was trying to pull more power than he should, not sure exactly. Guess we’ll see what the actual reasoning is shortly.

My surgeons should be receiving his custom order in March-April and will take me for a spin. Same doc had a P100D that he eventually just gave to his wife. He said there is a turbo s at the dealer downtown and he was able to drive it. When asked how I compared to the P100D, he says it feels equally as heavy but that it also feels and drives like a proper Porsche car instead of just some EV appliance.

I’m eagerly waiting for the Porsche vs Tesla comparisons to see where one performs over
The other and vice versa.
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Car and driver report has some interesting data. Shows that (extrapolated from a 100 mi tst) range isn't much different between Telsa and the Taycan (209 vs 222 miles). Also shows that performance of the Tesla drops off significantly after 3 hard runs. See the graphs about 3/4 of the way down.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...s-performance/
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Talked with my surgeon yesterday (has a gt2rs, gt3rs, brand new turbo 911 and a handful of others) about the Taycan that exploded. Supposed rumor mill is the owner didn’t have his charger wired correctly or was trying to pull more power than he should, not sure exactly. Guess we’ll see what the actual reasoning is shortly.
Your surgeon is 100%. I've gone through the solar panel installation, city electrical and building inspectors, and went through the same on my L2 charger in the garage. I bought a more robust L2 than the common types people buy. Mine is more industrial and has circuit protection in it. I leased it first, then bought it. The mfr (which was sold by the same solar panel company I use, NRG) was very specific about the gauge of wire and circuit breaker. I put in electrical/gauge to support a 50 amp breaker. The L2 charger was wired directly to my breaker panel. Later they found out what or how it was installed (by a licensed electrician) and were fine with it. But after 4 months they called me and said the L2 charged needed a plug instead of wired direct, and a 40 amp breaker instead. My electrician kind of balked but did what they asked and said it was a liability thing. From talking to my NRG rep who lives about 3 miles from me in the fancy neighborhood (also drives a Leaf for DD) over there, he said the company didn't like multiple methods of installation and standardized hence the change. And they were very specific in length of wire from the breaker panel itself. My L2 charger is like 18-24" from the breaker panel.

So cliffs: Your surgeon is correct and this owner probably did his own wiring instead of getting it done proper. Probably trying to save $, which is funny when you consider the purchase price of that car. But my friend in real estate that does nothing but 7 and 8 figure homes says his clients are cheap skates so this doesn't surprise me. Don't f with electricity or electrical work kids. You need to know what you're doing or you can burn your **** down.
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Car and driver report has some interesting data. Shows that (extrapolated from a 100 mi tst) range isn't much different between Telsa and the Taycan (209 vs 222 miles). Also shows that performance of the Tesla drops off significantly after 3 hard runs. See the graphs about 3/4 of the way down.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...s-performance/
So basically the Porsche feels like a sports car while Tesla still feels likes an appliance without soul. Porsche loses because Porsche price tag.
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