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Old 12-07-2018, 08:09 AM   #1226
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Virtual dyno of my latest 3rd gear pull I sent for tweaking. Had to zoom in for the chart because it rocketed up to 41000hp on the plot for some reason at redline. SAE corrected, 279whp/318wtq. Uncorrected it was 290whp/328wtq.

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Re-tuned through Clark Turner Tuning again for the new parts.

SAE corrected, 292whp/339wtq. Uncorrected, obviously higher (302/353 I think it was).

Super happy with the mods and the tuning.

Some day next season, I'll get it out to the strip and do a few runs to get an idea of what it can do.

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Old 12-07-2018, 08:31 AM   #1227
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Added Grimmspeed stealth intake and Perrin charge pipe last month.

Re-tuned through Clark Turner Tuning again for the new parts.

SAE corrected, 292whp/339wtq. Uncorrected, obviously higher (302/353 I think it was).

Super happy with the mods and the tuning.

Some day next season, I'll get it out to the strip and do a few runs to get an idea of what it can do.

That torque sure does come in soon. I wonder if the torque curve would look the same on a real dyno?
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:42 AM   #1228
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That torque sure does come in soon. I wonder if the torque curve would look the same on a real dyno?
No it wouldn’t.

Better loading on the street and look at where the pull starts. I’d bet that’s able 3200 rpm on a 2500 rpm dyno pull
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:54 AM   #1229
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In my limited experience, Clark likes to e-tune his WOT with a 2k - 5k pull the first few times, and then once things are more in line, he asks for a full WOT pull. This plot was from when he sent my final map revision and I did a pull at the same location I use for all of the WOT ones.

For all of my pulls, there has always been a spike at the beginning, and then a taper as RPMs go up.

What I like is that it is a relatively even rate, not a flat torque line, but at least consistent, so the power is fairly linear (in the overall sense).
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:11 AM   #1230
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New mods, new plot.

Added in a GS TMIC and Invidia Q300 single exit cat-back. Clark Turner Tuning re-tune for new mods. 21psi boost.

So now, full bolt-ons except for header. 313whp/339wtq on virtual dyno from a run yesterday.

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Old 04-30-2019, 01:38 PM   #1231
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New mods, new plot.

Added in a GS TMIC and Invidia Q300 single exit cat-back. Clark Turner Tuning re-tune for new mods. 21psi boost.

So now, full bolt-ons except for header. 313whp/339wtq on virtual dyno from a run yesterday.

Did you ask for that dip at 3500 or does that come as part of the package?

Otherwise great numbers, what is this on, 93oct?
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:55 PM   #1232
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Did you ask for that dip at 3500 or does that come as part of the package?



Otherwise great numbers, what is this on, 93oct?


Keep in mind that is a virtual dyno plot.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:15 PM   #1233
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Yes, virtual dyno (VD), so it is road loading, not dyno loading. I've had that spike at the start on all of the plots/runs on VD. So I guess, my peak wtq is probably a bit lower that what it shows. Still would be around 330wtq instead of the spike at 339wtq based on the chart.

I've also always had that dip. Boost is consistent at 20 - 22 on a normal weather day. Clark said he does not like to increase boost over that on a 93 map. And I have no intention of going FF as there is limited around in my area (at least that I would get to on a regular basis).
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:35 PM   #1234
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So what if its vd?

I dont have a dip now post tune but i had one before on my vd too. Its got nothing to do with vd or road vs dyno but with the tune itself. You***8217;ve always had it and your tuner should have tuned it down a bit to spike less and later so its more linear instead of oem-ish roller coaster ride.

Thats just coming from a layman who can look at a chart. Go look back and see how some other vd curves are ***8220;smoother***8221; so to speak. You must feel it under wot as violent spike then loss of power before more pull.. i mean nothing happens for 5-600rpm.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:58 PM   #1235
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Definitely do not feel it that much.

I'll ask Clark to see if he can do anything about it, or if he is concerned. He's analyzing the logs, so I put my trust in him to do what he thinks is best. It is what I'm paying him for after all. :shrugs:
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:11 PM   #1236
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Im not saying there is cause for concern.. I***8217;d just like a smoother line, not rollercoaster, you know.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:34 PM   #1237
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True.

I flipped through the thread, and there seem to be a lot of them with the "surge" at the 3000 - 3500 range. Maybe not quite as obvious as mine (although some were), but a noticeable amount.

I'm happy with the tune overall, but it is certainly worth asking the question.
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:06 PM   #1238
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Im not saying there is cause for concern.. I’d just like a smoother line, not rollercoaster, you know.
Can you post your VD plot? With zero smoothing preferably.
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:39 PM   #1239
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Can you post your VD plot? With zero smoothing preferably.
I could. But you dont know what you’re asking for “with 0 smoothing preferably.” I doubt any of these graphs are with zero smoothing.

So picture a vtach ecg sloped about 30-35deg, thats my chart with zero smoothing.

For all others, just go back one page and look at Rons e50 chart. Thats what it looks like. Almost as if drown by a ruler but with a slight curvature.

My protune doesnt dip like my oem tune did. Thats the point of the protune, it isnt just chasing numbers.
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:54 PM   #1240
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I could. But you dont know what you’re asking for “with 0 smoothing preferably.” I doubt any of these graphs are with zero smoothing.

So picture a vtach ecg sloped about 30-35deg, thats my chart with zero smoothing.

For all others, just go back one page and look at Rons e50 chart. Thats what it looks like. Almost as if drown by a ruler but with a slight curvature.

My protune doesnt dip like my oem tune did. Thats the point of the protune, it isnt just chasing numbers.
I know exactly what I'm asking for.

If you cant or wont post your plot that's fine, just curious what you're afraid of.
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:55 PM   #1241
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I know exactly what I'm asking for.

If you cant or wont post your plot that's fine, just curious what you're afraid of.
I cant cuz i am at work. But i already told you what it looks like with 0 smoothing, slanted ventricular tachycardia. It also shows i have 700whp+.

When i get home i can post a smoothing 1 or 2 factor, but it looks like all of Rons dyno charts, so not sure what you’re trying to get at? It doesnt have any dips until well past 6000rpm.

Im not trying to show off, im just telling a forum member that id expect a smoother curve paying for a protune instead of oem tune bumped up in power.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:12 PM   #1242
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I cant cuz i am at work. But i already told you what it looks like with 0 smoothing, slanted ventricular tachycardia. It also shows i have 700whp+.

When i get home i can post a smoothing 1 or 2 factor, but it looks like all of Rons dyno charts, so not sure what you’re trying to get at? It doesnt have any dips until well past 6000rpm.

Im not trying to show off, im just telling a forum member that id expect a smoother curve paying for a protune instead of oem tune bumped up in power.
It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Smoothing doesnt change curves that drastically, especially a factor of 1 or 2. Smoothing definitely doesnt account for a change of 100s of whp, maybe 10-15 on the high end. Sounds like you've made some pretty massive mistakes with your VD plots.

That's exactly what you're doing. You come posting about how awesome your VD lines are and how crap his are, then refuse to provide your own plot. At this point I dont even think you'll post your own plot, you'll dig through the thread to find one that matches your requirements and pass that off as your own.

You're like Stija reincarnated. Yesterday you post about how new and confused you are with the platform, today you're an expert.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:22 PM   #1243
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It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Smoothing doesnt change curves that drastically, especially a factor of 1 or 2. Smoothing definitely doesnt account for a change of 100s of whp, maybe 10-15 on the high end. Sounds like you've made some pretty massive mistakes with your VD plots.

That's exactly what you're doing. You come posting about how awesome your VD lines are and how crap his are, then refuse to provide your own plot. At this point I dont even think you'll post your own plot, you'll dig through the thread to find one that matches your requirements and pass that off as your own.

You're like Stija reincarnated. Yesterday you post about how new and confused you are with the platform, today you're an expert.
Sarcasm. To some of your stupid posts as well as others.

Oh i will post it with 0 smoothing just to prove you wrong. Then you can tell me what i did wrong with my vd, cuz naturally i dont know how to use it.

I enjoy reading your posts by the way, there is always an impression you leave as if you know what you’re talking about. But you haven’t a clue what you’re saying 8/10 times, just angry opinions/rants.

Like this for instance. But i can’t wait to learn what i did wrong. Excited.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:49 PM   #1244
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Actually i changed my mind. Because at home I***8217;m on my own time and my policies and procedures at home do not permit me to waste time on random internet trolls. So i wasted time at work (already wasting anyway) to include this dyno chart with 0 smoothing. Dont know what car since its for educational purposes. But my dyno chart with 0 smoothing looks even worse and more jagged.. couldnt find a worse one than that so i included the closest thing.

So what you see but more dips and cliffs, like vtach as i already mentioned, that***8217;s what my dyno looks with sm0. So this but worse, much worse.

When i get home i will post a dyno chart with smoothing 1 or 2 for comparison reasons with Ironman. I may even plot the oem dyno (if i can find it) so he can see that the oem tune is very similar to his chart and completely different than my current line by Ron.

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Old 04-30-2019, 08:32 PM   #1245
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Stock numbers typically 22X WHP, 24X WTQ
Cobb turboback, Cobb EBCS, Cobb intake, IAG TGV delete, TP EGR delete, TurboXS TMIC, Perrin charge pipe
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:22 AM   #1246
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Glarry, a smoothing 0 graph, took me a while cuz i had to reinstall vd new version and that didnt work as i intended.



The other one is smoothing 1 and has no dips as discussed earlier w a member here. Two different tuners but both stage 2 e50 and e60. So what were you trying to illustrate with sm0?
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:49 PM   #1247
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Facility: Boost Controlled Performance
Type of Dyno: Dynojet
Baseline #'s: N/A - 220whp-ish vDyno

Peak HP: 349
Peak Torque: 317 - Per my request to keep low end torque down.
Fuel: E85 (E60 capped)

Peak HP: 282
Peak Torque: 271
Fuel: 93 Octane

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Stock Motor / Trans / Clutch

Engine Mods:
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Old 05-24-2019, 04:56 PM   #1249
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What kind of life span do these IAG and built motors have? I know thats pretty broad statement, but most of these builds seem to be around the 400-450whp mark. Just curious what kind of longevity people are seeing assuming they drive the car responsibly?
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Old 05-24-2019, 06:41 PM   #1250
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What kind of life span do these IAG and built motors have? I know thats pretty broad statement, but most of these builds seem to be around the 400-450whp mark. Just curious what kind of longevity people are seeing assuming they drive the car responsibly?
Hard to say. There is a built motor forum where I came across FA20 discussions but there is just so many factors involved that can determine durability.
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