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Old 07-03-2019, 11:41 AM   #1276
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:46 PM   #1277
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When did you get your tune? 2015-2016? They have come a long way in understanding these motors.

Also motor health plays a huge factor, as well as cleanliness of valves. If you have an older DIT with maybe 50k plus miles, I have seen guys pick up and instant 20hp after walnut blasting.

I appreciate your opinion, and would love to talk more. If you can provide some more info Iíd appreciate it.
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:37 PM   #1278
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There's definitely some sorcery going on with the dyno up there at Bren and I don't buy those numbers.

I have a similar setup but with an XR Blue and did 340/332 on 93 and 425/355 on flex tune on a Mustang dyno.

Only way you are getting sort of close to those pump numbers is with an ETS kit.
That's fine you really don't need to. We tune hundreds of DIT's in house per year and thousands via etuning. The time spent on these cars in in the tens of thousands of hours range. Getting proper power out of them is a chore but when the car is setup right (and a good one) will easily make this 330WHP range repeatably on our mustang 500. I have multitudes of them running these power levels for years. You can say what you want about dyno sorcery, fake numbers whatever. Stock DIT's are baselining around 225-240WHP on this dyno, another 100 out of a well setup full bolt-on car with proper dyno air flow and tuning is no issue, hell people are getting 40-50 out of tuning alone with no hard parts being changed. Almost all these FBO cars are doing 400 on ethanol and have been for 2 years. We were bashed constantly and laughed at a few years ago when we put a DIT to 400WHP stock turbo, FBO on ethanol and said it was fake news, impossible, blah blah blah. Now look. Every tuner under the sun is doing 400WHP setups on these cars stock turbo.

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Old 07-03-2019, 04:08 PM   #1279
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That's fine you really don't need to. We tune hundreds of DIT's in house per year and thousands via etuning. The time spent on these cars in in the tens of thousands of hours range. Getting proper power out of them is a chore but when the car is setup right (and a good one) will easily make this 330WHP range repeatably on our mustang 500. I have multitudes of them running these power levels for years. You can say what you want about dyno sorcery, fake numbers whatever. Stock DIT's are baselining around 225-240WHP on this dyno, another 100 out of a well setup full bolt-on car with proper dyno air flow and tuning is no issue, hell people are getting 40-50 out of tuning alone with no hard parts being changed. Almost all these FBO cars are doing 400 on ethanol and have been for 2 years. We were bashed constantly and laughed at a few years ago when we put a DIT to 400WHP stock turbo, FBO on ethanol and said it was fake news, impossible, blah blah blah. Now look. Every tuner under the sun is doing 400WHP setups on these cars stock turbo.

https://youtu.be/o1HZKKX9gjc
Well the baseline dynos explain the disparity to me then.

Stock cars baseline at 185-195 ish on the dyno used for my tune so that answers the difference in numbers
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Old 08-06-2019, 01:35 AM   #1280
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Stock wrx makes 180-190 on this mustang dyno
Elevation is 5300ft above sea level in Denver, Colorado.

Pump 91: 233/275
E60 tune: 311/303

That elevation makes a huge difference plus this loaded mustang dyno is known locally as a huge heartbreaker. Tune runs great and pulls hard to redline.

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Old 08-08-2019, 01:20 AM   #1281
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seen some impressive numbers
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Old 08-09-2019, 08:59 PM   #1282
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That's fine you really don't need to. We tune hundreds of DIT's in house per year and thousands via etuning. The time spent on these cars in in the tens of thousands of hours range. Getting proper power out of them is a chore but when the car is setup right (and a good one) will easily make this 330WHP range repeatably on our mustang 500. I have multitudes of them running these power levels for years. You can say what you want about dyno sorcery, fake numbers whatever. Stock DIT's are baselining around 225-240WHP on this dyno, another 100 out of a well setup full bolt-on car with proper dyno air flow and tuning is no issue, hell people are getting 40-50 out of tuning alone with no hard parts being changed. Almost all these FBO cars are doing 400 on ethanol and have been for 2 years. We were bashed constantly and laughed at a few years ago when we put a DIT to 400WHP stock turbo, FBO on ethanol and said it was fake news, impossible, blah blah blah. Now look. Every tuner under the sun is doing 400WHP setups on these cars stock turbo.

https://youtu.be/o1HZKKX9gjc
Iíve been running one of Brenís pump etunes for almost two years, took it to a real dyno last year and laid down 383 on a 90+ degree day. Iím full bolt on with a stx71 turbo... I know there is more to be had but the setup is a reliable daily with ZERO problem since then.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:57 PM   #1283
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Tuned by Bren
TGV/EGR deletes
Grimmspeed intake
279whp 289 torque
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:28 PM   #1284
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2018 WRX 7k miles tuned by Snail Performance

Map intake
Process West Verticooler
TGV Delete
EGR Delete
Cobb Boost Controller
Map j pipe, mid pipe, and full cat-back
DW300 HPFP
Cobb flex fuel kit

394/368 e60
321/332 91 oct
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:46 AM   #1285
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2018 WRX 7k miles tuned by Snail Performance

Map intake
Process West Verticooler
TGV Delete
EGR Delete
Cobb Boost Controller
Map j pipe, mid pipe, and full cat-back
DW300 HPFP
Cobb flex fuel kit

394/368 e60
321/332 91 oct
Did you have a baseline done? Those are some very nice (high) numbers for the mods, especially on 91 with the stock turbo, IWG, and header.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:30 AM   #1286
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DW300 is NOT a hpfp as well...
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:29 PM   #1287
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Did you have a baseline done? Those are some very nice (high) numbers for the mods, especially on 91 with the stock turbo, IWG, and header.
215-220 is what tuner has told me these cars get. He told me my engine was very healthy and made higher numbers than avg with the setup. I***8217;d wish I had a stock baseline. He has told me most cars with this setup come out with 360-370 however mine happened to be a very healthy motor.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:30 PM   #1288
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DW300 is NOT a hpfp as well...
Sorry Iím dumb
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Old 09-27-2019, 10:01 PM   #1289
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:36 PM   #1290
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Cobb Stage 2
Cobb big sf intake
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Mishimoto TMIC & charge pipe
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Making 322hp/324tq
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Old 10-14-2019, 05:03 PM   #1291
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Facility: R/T Tuning
Type of Dyno: AWD Mustang Dyno
Baseline #'s: N/A

Peak HP: 290
Peak Torque: 329
Fuel: 93 Octane

2015 WRX - 108,000 Miles

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Old 10-14-2019, 06:59 PM   #1292
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Facility: R/T Tuning
Type of Dyno: AWD Mustang Dyno
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Peak HP: 290
Peak Torque: 329
Fuel: 93 Octane

2015 WRX - 108,000 Miles

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Nice numbers for the mileage! Looks like you have a healthy engine
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:46 PM   #1293
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Nice numbers for the mileage! Looks like you have a healthy engine
Thanks! The guy who tuned my car took a picture, was the highest mileage 15+ WRX he has ever tuned. I felt privileged!
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Old 10-23-2019, 02:08 AM   #1294
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2017 WRX Premium with SPT Catback.
I bought only k&n air filter (33-2304) and going to a Tune.

Milleage: ~25 000 miles
93 octane ( ORLEN PB 98)

First run:
280,5 HP (KM) @5858 RPM
385,5 Nm ( 284,23 lb/ft) @3120 RPM

After tune it was:
304,2 HP (KM) @5693 RPM
455,7 Nm ( 335,99 lb/ft) @4058 RPM

It was big difference.

About one month ago i decided for jpipe (down pipe) change. I choosed catless version, and got Retune:
325 HP (KM) @5652 RPM
498 Nm ( 367,18 lb/ft) @2917 RPM


It was amazing but unfortunately after only 9 days something's going wrong, and i could see the crank through the destroyed engine block.
I had to use a fire extinguisher...

Do you have any idea what went wrong?
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:16 AM   #1295
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Hi,

2017 WRX Premium with SPT Catback.
I bought only k&n air filter (33-2304) and going to a Tune.

Milleage: ~25 000 miles
93 octane ( ORLEN PB 98)

First run:
280,5 HP (KM) @5858 RPM
385,5 Nm ( 284,23 lb/ft) @3120 RPM

After tune it was:
304,2 HP (KM) @5693 RPM
455,7 Nm ( 335,99 lb/ft) @4058 RPM

It was big difference.

About one month ago i decided for jpipe (down pipe) change. I choosed catless version, and got Retune:
325 HP (KM) @5652 RPM
498 Nm ( 367,18 lb/ft) @2917 RPM


It was amazing but unfortunately after only 9 days something's going wrong, and i could see the crank through the destroyed engine block.
I had to use a fire extinguisher...

Do you have any idea what went wrong?
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:00 AM   #1296
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Hi,

2017 WRX Premium with SPT Catback.
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About one month ago i decided for jpipe (down pipe) change. I choosed catless version, and got Retune:
325 HP (KM) @5652 RPM
498 Nm ( 367,18 lb/ft) @2917 RPM

It was amazing but unfortunately after only 9 days something's going wrong, and i could see the crank through the destroyed engine block.

Do you have any idea what went wrong?
Peak torque (367 lb-ft) at 2,900 rpm may have something to do with it.. especially if you went WOT in a high gear. Any knock or LSPI with that torque level at that RPM could yield extremely high cylinder pressures and be catastrophic.

Your tuner gave you what we refer to as the "send it" map.. for sending your rod through your block.

Time to invest in a built block and possibly find a new tuner. Good luck with your future build

Catless downpipes are also more susceptible to boost creep. An EBCS can help reduce boost spikes, but you would need an EWG or ported IWG in order to reduce/prevent boost creep. It's easier to stick with a catted downpipe.

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Old 10-23-2019, 11:21 AM   #1297
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Hi,

2017 WRX Premium with SPT Catback.
I bought only k&n air filter (33-2304) and going to a Tune.

Milleage: ~25 000 miles
93 octane ( ORLEN PB 98)

First run:
280,5 HP (KM) @5858 RPM
385,5 Nm ( 284,23 lb/ft) @3120 RPM

After tune it was:
304,2 HP (KM) @5693 RPM
455,7 Nm ( 335,99 lb/ft) @4058 RPM

It was big difference.

About one month ago i decided for jpipe (down pipe) change. I choosed catless version, and got Retune:
325 HP (KM) @5652 RPM
498 Nm ( 367,18 lb/ft) @2917 RPM


It was amazing but unfortunately after only 9 days something's going wrong, and i could see the crank through the destroyed engine block.
I had to use a fire extinguisher...

Do you have any idea what went wrong?
Have any datalogs? How do you usually drive it?
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Old 10-23-2019, 04:06 PM   #1298
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After catless jpipe installed, when changed gear 2-->3 or 3-->4 on ~4000 RPM after one second brake IT was strong exhaust shoot (boooom)
It's normal when You install catless downpipe?

I drive really calm usually ~25-30 miles per day.
Maybe one day per week i drived stronger (some street race) Always looking for correct oil temperature.

I like drive dynamic but not crazy.

Sorry for my language ***128517;
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Old 10-24-2019, 09:05 AM   #1299
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My question is what did boost control look like after the catless downpipe install.

We are looking at early high peak torque with a stock waste gate on what I assume is the stock 2 port boost control solenoid with a catless setup.

Could of been boost creep, boom.
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Old 10-28-2019, 02:58 PM   #1300
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Cool

Stock block, and at the time stock trans
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