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Old 06-26-2007, 06:26 PM   #51
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hahaha can't wait to laugh at the 08+ owners. hahaha Def. not a REAL Subaru...
how do you conclude this? not ALL subarus have rear limited slips, but still do fine.. the tribecas VDC is great and seems to work just like having a limited slip on the rollers
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:45 PM   #52
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Facts?

Well, at least the facts pertaining to the turbo are wrong. If it's a TD04, no leggy turbo is going to fit as an upgrade. Unpossible!

That was probably a PR person without any idea as to what they're talking about.
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:45 PM   #53
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I would gladly pay an extra 500-1000 bucks to have LSD in there. Hopefully the STI won't let me down....
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:45 PM   #54
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02-05 Values will begin to increase . Sounds good to me. I'm sure there will be some great advantages with the 08, but it just doesn't carry the Subaru tradition . We will definately see come late August.
Erm I doubt that. Besides, you ever hear about those Subaru's made before 02? You know the gc/gm's that actually are holding value?
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:55 PM   #55
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Facts?

Well, at least the facts pertaining to the turbo are wrong. If it's a TD04, no leggy turbo is going to fit as an upgrade. Unpossible!

That was probably a PR person without any idea as to what they're talking about.
This was my question to the head of engineering from FHI for the 2008 Impreza: "Can someone remove the stock turbo in the 2008 Impreza and replace it with a Legacy turbo without any modification to the plumbing."

Answer (after discussing with his FHI engineering colleagues in Japanese): "Yes, you can do that."

You must be right. I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:03 PM   #56
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The new imprezas looks really nice.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:06 PM   #57
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there are td06-18g 8cm, 7cm housing LGT specific turbos as well as td06-20g's they just cost BANK. 1550 for the 18g 1650 for the 20g to be lgt specific housing.

Deadbolt sells them for more, TDC sells them around those prices, and a few others. Not worth it IMO just get a fmic and use the older style turbos.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:09 PM   #58
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This was my question to the head of engineering from FHI for the 2008 Impreza: "Can someone remove the stock turbo in the 2008 Impreza and replace it with a Legacy turbo without any modification to the plumbing."

Answer (after discussing with his FHI engineering colleagues in Japanese): "Yes, you can do that."

You must be right. I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about.
He is right you could do that because the 08 WRX uses the LGT intercooler, manifold etc and the new turbo has a vertical IC inlet. The WRX TD04 right now does not, it has a side inlet. The LGT requires a manifold and intercooler swap in order to fit any WRX/STi based turbo (20G, etc).

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Facts?

Well, at least the facts pertaining to the turbo are wrong. If it's a TD04, no leggy turbo is going to fit as an upgrade. Unpossible!

That was probably a PR person without any idea as to what they're talking about.
The current TD04 and the 08 TD04 have different cold-sides, the new one points up to mate to the LGT intercooler.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:15 PM   #59
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This was my question to the head of engineering from FHI for the 2008 Impreza: "Can someone remove the stock turbo in the 2008 Impreza and replace it with a Legacy turbo without any modification to the plumbing."

Answer (after discussing with his FHI engineering colleagues in Japanese): "Yes, you can do that."

You must be right. I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:28 PM   #60
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Christ those tail lights look like GARBAGE!
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:00 PM   #61
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He is right you could do that because the 08 WRX uses the LGT intercooler, manifold etc and the new turbo has a vertical IC inlet. The WRX TD04 right now does not, it has a side inlet. The LGT requires a manifold and intercooler swap in order to fit any WRX/STi based turbo (20G, etc).


The current TD04 and the 08 TD04 have different cold-sides, the new one points up to mate to the LGT intercooler.
Link to this info? We've seen this "new" TD04?
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:07 PM   #62
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This was my question to the head of engineering from FHI for the 2008 Impreza: "Can someone remove the stock turbo in the 2008 Impreza and replace it with a Legacy turbo without any modification to the plumbing."

Answer (after discussing with his FHI engineering colleagues in Japanese): "Yes, you can do that."

You must be right. I'm sure he has no idea what he's talking about.
You guys in the media are good at quoting out of context! My comment was about PR people, not "heads of engineering".

So we're not talking about a carry-over 13T from 02-current WRX's.

If there is some new TD04 with VF40/etc. style housings, it would certainly be something different. I gotta say, with the VF40 already in the older LGT, making similar power...why changover a TD04 to the LGT layout? Anything, internally that is, about the VF that is more expensive than the 13T?

Sidenote:

Don't put too much stock in Subaru's "official" word. They're still tellling us the WRX will have LGT brakes.

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Old 06-26-2007, 08:10 PM   #63
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Link to this info? We've seen this "new" TD04?
The LGT intercooler inlet points down, the VF40 inlet points up. The new 08 WRX turbo points UP as well. I saw it with my own eyes, the new turbo connects to the intercooler in an upward position.

THIS IS A LEGACY VF40, notice the cold side points UP.


THIS IS A 02-07 WRX TD04, notice the cold side points to the side.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:16 PM   #64
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sounds awsome. cant wait to see em on the street
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:17 PM   #65
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The LGT intercooler inlet points down, the VF40 inlet points up. The new 08 WRX turbo points UP as well. I saw it with my own eyes, the new turbo connects to the intercooler in an upward position.

THIS IS A LEGACY VF40, notice the cold side points UP.

THIS IS A 02-07 WRX TD04, notice the cold side points to the side.



Yes, of course, we all know this. That's the point.

That's not what I was asking. Which way were you expecting to see the 08's turbo facing given the intercooler it was running???

Just seems odd that they would rework the TD04 instead of going with the existing VF's, especialyl considering the 40's extremely close size to the TD04 currently in the WRX. I was lookign to see if, besides this thread, any one had seen a marked TD04 in the 08 as opposed to a "turbo pointing upwards" in an 08.

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Old 06-26-2007, 08:19 PM   #66
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You guys in the media are good at quoting out of context! My comment was about PR people, not "heads of engineering".
In time you may learn that when we (Subiesport) present something as a fact, you can figure it came from a reliably informed source. Opinions or guesses are either presented as conditional statements or noted as not being from a reliable source. And yes, PR doesn't count as a "reliably informed." (Sorry Jessica! )
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:22 PM   #67
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:26 PM   #68
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Yes, of course, we all know this. That's the point.

That's not what I was asking.
You asked "we've seen this new TD04?" and i have responded, yes i did see it and here is the reasoning behind why it is a different turbo.

If it is indeed a TD04 it is not the same as before since the cold-side is different.

Could it be a different turbo all together? Could, but i doubt they would lie (or be uninformed) to SubieSport.

But its possible. They do underrate the engine big time.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:31 PM   #69
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You asked "we've seen this new TD04?" and i have responded, yes i did see it and here is the reasoning behind why it is a different turbo.

If it is indeed a TD04 it is not the same as before since the cold-side is different. .
Again.

You don't need to tell me/show me this (bolded part). This was exactly what I said in my first post. I was just a little taken back by you attempting to explain the very same difference I was pointing out.

We are all aware of the orientation of the 02-07 13T and what the orientation of the LGT turbo/08 WRX is.

I was looking for a link, besides this one, or proof-positive that the turbo you saw was a TD04.


We've known for many many months now that the WRX will be using a VF40 style orientation in the car....back from when the first spy-shots came out.

You were stating that you saw it facing upwards as if anyone was doubting that it was! Of course it is! It would have to.

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Old 06-26-2007, 08:32 PM   #70
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I'm trying to figure out what to think about this car and have been doing so for months now. Are we all so furious because it isn't as quirky and funny looking as the Subies we've all grown to love? Maybe it's becoming too mainstream and Mazda/Toyota'ish and that's the problem here. The best way I've heard this car described is that it's been neutered. Imagine it without the hideous tail lights, the chrome grille, and with bulging fender flares like the previous cars, and it would still be pretty badass. Oh well.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:33 PM   #71
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In Japan, while the turbo configuration is the same as the JDM Legacy GT twinscroll, the actual unit is slightly different. I think it's a bit smaller internally, won't know till it has been pulled apart. My feeling is that SOA is going to go with a smaller, higher-response turbocharger based around the Legacy GT turbo design in America. As they are trying to position it at a different position in the lineup with less power, that would make sense.

But again, till it has been pulled apart it is hard to say. The good news is that there are bolt-in replacement turbochargers available from a few sources that were willing to support the Legacy GT market.

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Old 06-26-2007, 08:39 PM   #72
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^^^ Hopefully, our market for cheap(ish) turbo upgrades will increase with this information...benefitting both LGT owners and WRX owners alike.

A VF40 in a WRX isn't really an upgrade. The newer LGT's VF is definately worth while though! So we got that going for us.

I really hope the STi follwing the same configuration change. If it doesn't, the majority of teh aftermarket will stay with the STi and the WRX/LGT guys will be left again with expensive/harder to find parts.

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Old 06-26-2007, 09:08 PM   #73
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:14 PM   #74
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Subies are in a downward spiral as far as looks go.

That thing looks like a mazda and a civic had one too many and engaged in unprotected humping.

I'll stick to my 02 and ride it out... hopefully something better looking is on the horizon.
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:35 PM   #75
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Does it really matter which way the coldside points? cant you just reclock the turbo to faace in the directon you need? Maybe thats only hotside....

I dont understand the no lsd though. The people who like to straight line race their wrx's arent going to be pleased with that..and the smaller turbo...it seems as though subaru wants to widen the distance between the Sti and WRX
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