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Old Yesterday, 11:53 PM   #426
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What's wrong with the car now? Nissan phasing out the 3.7 and replacing it with the 3.0TT has already occurred across the Infiniti range. Why wouldn't the same be true for the Z?
Come to think of it, looking at the Infiniti range and this engine, the 400Z name seems even less likely. I totally see them saving the 400hp tune of the engine for the top trims. Maybe they'll grow a pair and call it the Fairlady Z here.
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Old Today, 12:16 AM   #427
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We have examples of what good performance value is and we also have some phenomenal standout examples of what we are all searching for.

New mustang & bromaro are both excellent cars. S2000s, evos, and most of the good 90s performance japanese coupes are examples of special stars in the sky.

I'm personally looking for the second coming of an s2000 (loosely). I'd prefer actual hardtop, but I digress. Someone on a mission, making a bespoke engine that is rock solid, takes abuse better than a cop's wife, light, tons of advanced tech, all at a bargain bin (relatively) price. The BRZ would be a good choice if it didn't have a boxer and/or came with an actually good engine. I'm talking f20/22c levels.

I digress. Yes, we expect a lot, but it's because we have examples that have or do give us a lot; just none from a certain small country with a red dot for a flag.
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What's wrong with the car now? Nissan phasing out the 3.7 and replacing it with the 3.0TT has already occurred across the Infiniti range. Why wouldn't the same be true for the Z?
I was saying if a high performance sports car (on paper) came out at a super budget price that rivals a BRZ's price, then I would suspect shortcuts were made.

370Z's were cool when they were first released in 2009. I had mine for a while before selling it to a friend. I thought my STI was much more a sports car even though it's a sedan. I bought my Golf-R with the money I made off the 370Z and never looked back. I honestly do not miss that car.. it was beautiful in design, but meh..

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I don't see what you're missing here... Nissan has other engines and other parts
You have hope, I realistically do not think a car manufacturer in 2021 can release a Supra competitor at a low $30K price point as you stated. Even if you swapped the engine you still need to change all the peripherals and that costs a lot. I would imagine $7-8K for the new engine, plus upgrades associated with it, plus suspension, tranny, and brakes to match, plus new safety systems. That's a $14-$15K increase in price easy, I would imagine.

If Nissan continues with their cheap interior theme from the 370Z and common parts off a Sentra, I am sure they can cut costs vs BMW on the Supra, but still $30K for a twin turbo V6 Z? Extremely doubtful.

But let see how it pans out.. you could be right and if so, more to ya.
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I think the disconnect is thinking this is going to be a direct competitor to the Supra, in either performance or price.

I've been defending the choice to keep it on the 350/370 platform, but that's assuming they keep it in the same class, which is a car with a base MSRP in the $35k-40 range, tops. I'm sure options will be able to take it over 50k

People keep waxing nostalgic about the 300ZX and what the Z (and other Japanese sports cars) was in the late 90s, while forgetting that those cars were financial disasters for the companies that built them, they all died, and left the segment virtually barren for a decade plus.

The LAST thing Nissan needs is a $60k track toy that's maybe as capable as a Mustang GT with PP (but probably not). They sell 75% of these in the US, and are well aware of that.
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Old Today, 09:27 AM   #430
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I think the disconnect is thinking this is going to be a direct competitor to the Supra, in either performance or price.
The expectation is just that, a Supra competitor especially if one taunts a TTV6 capable of 400hp. Size is nearly identical. When I sat in my Supra at the dealer for the first time, it reminded me of my 370Z but with a nicer high tech interior, better visibility.

If the new Z is just another 370Z that really had no direct competition, then all I can say is that Nissan flimsy'ed out yet again with their tail down.
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370Z Touring is 40k with no options, this is a new car, new engine and much nicer everything. Anyone thinking this will be under 40 is on crack.
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370Z Touring is 40k with no options, this is a new car, new engine and much nicer everything. Anyone thinking this will be under 40 is on crack.
While I agree we will see a price increase the base 370Z costs $30,090 MSRP today. Yes it can go up to high $45K range with a loaded NISMO.

But if the base model jumps up to $40K that is a huge leap in price. That means a Touring would cost close to $50K and a Nismo would be in the mid $50's. I just can't imagine that.

Unless Nissan simplifies the lineup and gets rid of the base model completely.

But Nissan has to be careful not to price themselves too high.
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Just to give some perspective, back when the Z and Infiniti G Sedan shared the VQ37, they started at $30k and $33k respectively. Though the fossilized 370Z still starts at $30k, the Q50 with 300hp V6TT now starts at $37k. The V6TT will not make a huge impact on the Z's MSRP.

I'd guess the base Z will get a small bump in power over the current 332hp in the 370. For enthusiasts it will look like a good deal vs. Supra 6 cyl, and a no brainer vs. the 4 cyl.

But as with all things, you get what you pay for one way or the other. If your interior and overall build quality standards are low, *edit* Z Mustang will be the car for you.

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I think the new Z will be priced competitively and according to its historic value. I have a good feeling about MY2020 and beyond concerning performance vehicles. It feels like a renaissance the same as 2003 or so.
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I think so as well. If its true that the car is basically a reskin with updated interior bits i don't see why it would be difficult to offer a lower engine in the base trim (maybe keep the VQ) and still have a lower spec car in the $30's. Of course that car won't compete with Supra but that's not the point at that price.

I think a Z with desperately needed interior and technology updates and a manual transmission is a compelling offering compared with other "cheaper" two-seaters because it offers what enthusiasts tend to want: manual transmission and driver involvement with modern technology and (we assume) an affordable price.

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I'd guess the base Z will get a small bump in power over the current 332hp in the 370. For enthusiasts it will look like a good deal vs. Supra 6 cyl, and a no brainer vs. the 4 cyl.

But as with all things, you get what you pay for one way or the other. If your interior and overall build quality standards are low, *edit* Z Mustang will be the car for you.
So you're thinking there would be a NA and TTV6 version.. okay I can see the NA V6 version coming in at low $30K. And that would compete with like the 4 banger muscle cars and perhaps the 2.0L Supra. Or Nissan chickens out and compares with 86/BRZ..

The TTV6 version would be for like Touring models + Nismo.. coming in starting upper mid $40K. Yeah, that would make sense.. but now we are kind of distancing ourselves from the "400Z"..

And completely agree with you that you get what you pay for.
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So you're thinking there would be a NA and TTV6 version.. okay I can see the NA V6 version coming in at low $30K. And that would compete with like the 4 banger muscle cars and perhaps the 2.0L Supra. Or Nissan chickens out and compares with 86/BRZ..

The TTV6 version would be for like Touring models + Nismo.. coming in starting upper mid $40K. Yeah, that would make sense.. but now we are kind of distancing ourselves from the "400Z"..

And completely agree with you that you get what you pay for.
Not quite, I'm saying the base Z will get the V6TT as 1 to 1 replacement for the VQ like Infiniti did, and that it will get a few different configurations similar to the Infiniti lineup of V6TTs.
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Not quite, I'm saying the base Z will get the V6TT as 1 to 1 replacement for the VQ like Infiniti did, and that it will get a few different configurations similar to the Infiniti lineup of V6TTs.
Hummm.. so what do you suppose the price would be in this case for the base Z? Upper $30K?
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A base Z can't be in the upper $30k though. It has to be attainable to pretty much the average buyer. What's the competition at low-$30k in Base form?
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A base Z can't be in the upper $30k though. It has to be attainable to pretty much the average buyer. What's the competition at low-$30k in Base form?
Agreed. The v6 Camaro and EcoBoost Mustang are in the upper 20s, so to charge more than that, the Z would have to have some obvious advantage over them (e.g., more power or much lighter).
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Hummm.. so what do you suppose the price would be in this case for the base Z? Upper $30K?
I'd guess $35k tops, assuming base will get a little more standard equipment than todays base Z. Really just the car play and android auto or whatever.
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