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Old 04-03-2020, 11:08 AM   #51
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I’ve seen all ages doing dumb S. Younger gen z type people just acting like normal, getting together and b’ing about the shops and food places aren’t open. It’s a massive problem in Austin with 20 somethings saying f it and congregating at the parks. Truly clueless, a percentage of that demographic. Then I have seen elderly people coughing and not coughing into their arm to contain it, just letting it rip. This virus is spreading like mad because people are stupid and it’s an all ages deal. They have always been stupid. I’m pretty sure I got this crap in December. Worst influenza I have ever had if it wasn’t. I knew it was gonna be bad on got on antibiotics and prednisone immediately. I’d go to sleep and cough myself awake and then couldn’t stop coughing for half an hour. Finally get back to sleep only to wake up and repeat an hour later. Deepest coughs of my life. I got it a 2nd time a month later but it wasn’t as bad as the first time. Was it covid or just nasty flu? Don’t know but it was the worst I’ve had. And it was one guy that came in the office that brought it in. Within day or two everyone was sick. 3 cube rows.

Know what I did? What I always do, call the boss and work from home. Then while the doctor was seeing me I asked the nurse for masks, she gave me a half dozen. Any time I was in public I wore the mask and washed my hands on the reg. I’ve done this self quarantine for many many years prior to this virus. It’s not the norm here. I’d be buying groceries and literally every time for 15 years “why are you wearing that mask?” Dumb dumb, I’m sick! I’m already sick so I’m wearing the mask for you dummy. Even my PT doctor asked the same damn thing at a rehab session. I’m like dude, are all doctors this stupid? The stares, the comments over the last 15 or so years while wearing the mask, man it got old quick but I soldiered on. Over the past 20 years people would come into work sick and I’d ask people why TF they are in the office. People would make excuses. I mean I get it our vacation and sick time is lumped into one pool so people don’t want to fry vacation days up being sick as we don’t get much vacation time as is. But you’ve got no excuse for not masking up, doing something to stop the spread of your cold or flu. I’ve had positions where I had to be there in the past and would have to take PTO and wasn’t allowed to wfh. I’d just lose the days off and in other cases it meant no pay. That was fine with me. I’m not going to go infect other people. But few have that mentality today in the states. Me, myself, and I that’s all they care about, f everyone else. Or this “you’re supposed to work no matter what!” BS attitude that makes zero sense but has been passed down through the generations. Chickens came home to roost.

We do need to open the economy back up, badly. What are we gonna do, stay home for 6 months? We’ll all be jobless by then. I don’t know how you can inject common sense, hygiene, protection, etc into people. Dumb is dumb and you cannot teach someone who refuses to learn.
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Old 04-03-2020, 12:40 PM   #52
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We do need to open the economy back up, badly. What are we gonna do, stay home for 6 months?
What if this virus was actually worse?

I'm expecting at least 3 months. Its going to be 2 for sure.

I've lived my whole adult life with enough money in savings to cover a minimum of a year expenses. Everyone should have been doing that in the first place, but of course people are stupid so nope. Hopefully now a lot of folks will learn to be better prepared, cause stuff like this can happen any time.
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Agree. My wife had some health issues 2 years ago that ate into our safety net. We have been working to build it back up and have 5-6 months net right now.

To hear people are destitute after 2 weeks is crazy. I am amazed at the people that don’t have a saving account and plan on the government taking care of them.

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There's a direct correspondence between not being able to miss a paycheck and the average cost of a new car.

I make good money, really good even, and the average new ****box is more than I'd like to spend on a daily driver.
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What if this virus was actually worse?
What if the boogeyman comes into your domicile and snatches your ass tonight?
People are just watching the news 24/7 and need to take a break. We can't shut the country down for 6 months, or even 3. It will completely tank. Your money will be gone and there will be no jobs. It'll be anarchy. Do you even realize how many people are out of work already? 6 million. Big gubmint is gonna give them $1200, yeah that will last a long time. That won't even pay many people's apartment rent for a single month.

People are going to have to smarten up, change very bad habits, and soldier on. It's not about having a year's salary in the bank. It's about having work, job, career, country, life after. Even if we resume carefully in June, buddy, your life is forever changed. I don't think people can even grasp what this will do the country, the economy. SIP is the correct thing to do right now but this sucker will only hold so long. That little Dutch boy has his finger in the dam and can only hold it so long. Our only hope is warm/hot weather and hope along with SIP that gets over the hump, the curve, meds come out. And then people can proceed with extreme caution and resume. Dude this deal could go on for 2 years reinfesting the country no matter what we do.
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Our only hope is warm/hot weather and hope along with SIP that gets over the hump, the curve, meds come out. And then people can proceed with extreme caution and resume. Dude this deal could go on for 2 years reinfesting the country no matter what we do.
The southeast has had record breaking temps for march and it was still spreading. We just need robot avatars like the movie surrogates then everyone can just stay in there house and work can continue.
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What if the boogeyman comes into your domicile and snatches your ass tonight?
People are just watching the news 24/7 and need to take a break. We can't shut the country down for 6 months, or even 3. It will completely tank. Your money will be gone and there will be no jobs. It'll be anarchy. Do you even realize how many people are out of work already? 6 million. Big gubmint is gonna give them $1200, yeah that will last a long time. That won't even pay many people's apartment rent for a single month.

People are going to have to smarten up, change very bad habits, and soldier on. It's not about having a year's salary in the bank. It's about having work, job, career, country, life after. Even if we resume carefully in June, buddy, your life is forever changed. I don't think people can even grasp what this will do the country, the economy. SIP is the correct thing to do right now but this sucker will only hold so long. That little Dutch boy has his finger in the dam and can only hold it so long. Our only hope is warm/hot weather and hope along with SIP that gets over the hump, the curve, meds come out. And then people can proceed with extreme caution and resume. Dude this deal could go on for 2 years reinfesting the country no matter what we do.
You are just preaching doom and gloom.

Mankind has existed thousands of years prior to the modern "economy" and will continue to do so long after this. Companies come and go, countries come and go, markets come and go, but people will live on.

What it sounds like is you want people and nations to behave more like South Korea and Japan. Maintain social distancing, good hygiene, and wear protective gear on a daily basis... But also have a government that maintains proper precautionary measures along with having a centralized non profit healthcare system that is able to respond when needed.

That sounds like a plan, but first thing you need to do is vote out all the Republicans holding office and rewrite the constitution to prevent this from happening again. Good luck with that.
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Aren't the places hardest hit by this blue states? Weren't the Democrats the ones telling people to go out and live life normally, that this was just the flu? Weren't Democrat governors banning promising treatment and then reversing their decision? Sounds like you've got your sights set on the wrong lot to vote out.
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At least three years and about US$1 billion. That’s roughly what it takes to make a new vehicle, from drafting table to dealerships.

Car companies live and die by that long-range gamble—but every once in a while, the bet coincides with an economic disaster. The coronavirus pandemic and its attendant recession may be the worst time to launch a car since, well, since we’ve had cars. Selling a Model A was a tough task during the Great Depression, but at least dealerships were open and some assembly lines still humming.

The global auto industry of 2020 is witnessing an unprecedented, near-instantaneous drop in demand as potential customers steer clear of car lots, and dealers close up shop to comply with public health mandates. Volkswagen, Honda, Hyundai, and Mazda each reported a more than 40 per cent decline in U.S. sales last month. For the year, S&P expects global auto sales to plummet almost 15 per cent.

For sales of the most anticipated cars of 2020, the timing couldn’t be worse. In a normal economy, the first few months for any shiny new machine are relative magic. Overeager customers clamor for the fanciest, most profitable versions, and dealers seldom have to offer discounts or incentives. Now, every sale (done online or over the phone) will be considered a coup.

What’s more, the newest machines aren’t just grocery getters—they’re the result of product decisions made during one of the industry’s hottest streaks—the fruits of bull market research and development. Many are bold bids for incremental business, niche cars that might not have received a green light in a shakier economy. Among them are a few futuristic electric vehicles, which suddenly must contend with some of the lowest gas prices on record. Others are six-figure speed machines that were banking on Wall Street bonuses and swelling stock markets, neither of which seem likely in 2020.

What follows are some of most needle-moving whips rolled out in years—all for a pre-coronavirus world. With would-be buyers now focused on the grave crisis at hand, this is less a preview of automaker glory than a wistful look at what might have been.

SUVs
The much-anticipated new Land Rover Defender launches this year with the historic brand’s manufacturing sites shuttered. While the vehicle’s release remains on schedule, the first media test drives planned for April were predictably canceled. The good news for the British automaker though is that the off-road rig, a stalwart of British royalty for four decades, got a fair amount of publicity last year:

The Defender’s official debut took place at the 2019 Los Angeles Auto Show, and it has been making the rounds on Instagram ever since.

Along with the Defender, the reborn Ford Bronco is one of the most hyped vehicles in years. In 1996, Ford parked the Bronco name (which dates back to the mid-1960s) after O.J. Simpson provided the worst kind of publicity. In subsequent years, the seminal SUV became a design icon and collector’s item as Jeep took over ownership of the off-road adventure market. We were supposed to see the new Bronco on April 2, but its debut has been delayed.

In North America alone, the pandemic is destroying US$12 billion in potential sales each week while scrapping 331,000 vehicles that would otherwise have come off of assembly lines, according to Bloomberg Intelligence. Still, U.S. automakers like Ford hope the second half of 2020 will allow them to make up some lost ground.

Crosstown rival Chevrolet has turned to Trailblazer, a nameplate that’s been defunct in the U.S. since 2009, to carry its newest, small, crossover SUV. With an optional three-cylinder engine and a sticker price below US$20,000, the little rig is aimed at young, outdoorsy folk. Chevrolet, however, already has three smallish SUVs to sell. Moreover, Kia is aiming for the just-right-size SUV market with its new Seltos, another middle child in a big family. The Seltos began selling in the U.S. in February, before the coronavirus shutdowns began in earnest. For now, the machine is coming from factories in Korea, which are still running.

Aston Martin’s make-or-break DBX, another latecomer to the luxury SUV game, is the first of its kind from the 107-year-old brand. The automaker first showed the 542-horsepower DBX at the L.A. Auto Show in November 2019; media drives were planned for May. Those have been postponed and production at all the company’s manufacturing sites halted.

Meanwhile, Aston Martin doesn’t have enough working capital and still desperately needs the SUV to deliver drivers. The global crisis and its effect on demand may leave the company in a very bad place. Spokesman Nathan Hoyt says the vehicle’s U.S. launch remains on track for the second half of the year.
In the more opulent tier, the upcoming Mercedes Maybach GLS 600 SUV will compete against Bentley’s Bentayga and Rolls-Royce’s Cullinan. It has a V8 engine that churns out 550 horsepower and 538 pound-feet of torque, plus a 48-volt “EQ Boost” system that helps smooth out all that power. The machine was scheduled to go on sale in the U.S. in the second half of this year. But with Mercedes manufacturing at a standstill, it’s too early to say if that will remain the case, says a Mercedes representative.

Electric Vehicles
When it comes to futuristic electric vehicles designed for an US$80-a-barrel world, Tesla products remain at the forefront, though the company has remained tightlipped about timing, given current events. The all-electric flatbed Cybertruck that almost broke the internet when it debuted last year is one hanging in the balance. The Blade Runner-style vehicle boasts driving range estimates of up to 500 miles and a zero-to-60 mph sprint of 2.9 seconds. Production is tentatively slated to begin in 2021, and Tesla is already taking deposits, but all this could change. Though initially unwilling, Elon Musk eventually shut down his California factories last month.

That shutdown also applies to Tesla’s Model Y, a compact electric SUV the company started delivering to customers in March, but has yet to be seen in the wild in significant numbers.

Rivian Motors set out to do for SUVs and trucks what Tesla had done for electric sedans. It promises its R1S will be able to travel 400 miles on a single charge, drive through three feet of water and zip up to 60 mph in three seconds, all with Costco-capable cargo space. Rivian was planning to deliver its first SUV late this year; at the moment, its facilities are shuttered, including the former Mitsubishi plant in central Illinois, where it was mapping out assembly lines.

Ford has also been hustling to finish its Mustang Mach-E, an all-new, all-electric vehicle whose November debut won broad praise for checking three critical boxes: good looks, long range, and performance specs that best gas-powered pony cars. Now, dozens of early versions are cycling among the homes of Ford engineers, who disinfect each before continuing work. Pre-coronavirus, Ford said that the number of deposits for the machine was sizable, with a greater-than-expected share from drivers who had never owned a Ford.

An additional electric offering has experienced unlikely progress: Against all odds, the fastback Polestar 2, Polestar’s second vehicle and first all-electric car, started production on March 23 at Zhejiang Geely Holding’s plant in Luqiao, China. First unveiled in February 2019 as a fierce potential rival to Tesla, the Polestar 2 produces 408 horsepower and 487 pound-feet of torque, with an estimated range of 292 miles. It remains unclear, though, how many units will be produced or when deliveries might begin.

Last month, BMW “e-revealed” the BMW i4 Concept, which had been slated to premier at the since-canceled Geneva Auto Show. The company has yet to show the production version, but it’s expected to be an all-electric sedan that uses an 80-kilowatt-hour battery to get 530 horsepower and 372 miles of driving range. Despite the current closure of BMW production plants, the i4 is expected to start selling toward the end of 2021. Says spokesman Thomas Plucinsky: “We don’t anticipate any delays.”

Sports Cars
Spurred by a heady stock market, super expensive, super fast sports cars were enjoying a moment until March arrived. Porsche had big plans to roll out the 640-horsepower, muscle-y 911 Turbo S version of its franchise machine with group media drives. Instead, the company delivered the 640-horsepower machines one by one via fleet drivers prepped on disinfection and social distancing. Porsche’s German manufacturing plants in Zuffenhausen and Leipzig have been silent since March 21, and Porsche Experience Centers in L.A. and Atlanta, where the Porsche-curious take test drives and track lessons, sit empty.

The US$225,000 Ferrari Roma super car debuted in November in, of course, Rome. But a total Ferrari production halt on March 14 included production of the 611-horsepower, V8 Roma, which was supposed to roll into dealerships toward the end of the year. Ferrari hopes to eventually make up for the lost production with additional shifts. “No material impacts on deliveries and waiting list are foreseen at the moment,” a spokesperson says.

Over in England, the US$1.7 million McLaren Elva super car packs a punch: 804 horsepower on a V8 engine and rear-wheel drive. It’ll do zero to 124 mph in just 6.7 seconds, which makes it faster than its sibling, the track-suited Senna. McLaren had planned to build just 399 of them, each one customized through the company’s special-ops MSO division and delivered at the end of 2020.
“We will continue with all possible design and engineering activities that we can at this stage,” says Roger Ormisher, vice president of communications at McLaren. The carmaker will “then finalize physical development once staff are back at MTC, with the plan to deliver Elva into production as close as we can to Q4 2020.”

Finally, Lotus is trying to piece together its first new vehicle in more than a decade. The machine, dubbed Evija, is stunning—and costs US$2.1 million.
Shaped like a spaceship with trimmed sides and massive wheels, it boasts nearly 2,000 horsepower generated from four electric motors, as well as a zero-to-60 mph sprint of fewer than three seconds. Only 130 will be built by the legendary U.K. automaker. As for when they will be built, that will be determined later. Production has halted at Lotus’s Norwich headquarters while engineers continue tweaking designs from home.

“The vehicle development process is as it was—just not in the offices,” says Rob Borrett, a company spokesman. Super car architects, it turns out, are just like the rest of us. They Zoom.
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Sucks that at the end of the day, if you're not healthy nothing matters even if you had all the toys in the world.
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Aren't the places hardest hit by this blue states? Weren't the Democrats the ones telling people to go out and live life normally, that this was just the flu? Weren't Democrat governors banning promising treatment and then reversing their decision? Sounds like you've got your sights set on the wrong lot to vote out.
New York and Lousiana are the two hardest hit states right now. California hasn't been hit that hard because of infrastructure... Most of the state is suburbs and even the apartments don't have shared hallways or lobbies, and nobody uses public transit. NYC for example, lots of public transit, all the apartments are multi-story with shared hallways and lobbies.

Lousiana was hit hard because of mardi gras. Churches are also being hit hard, with 30% of the cases in California linked directly to churches.

As for the flu arguement, that was a conservative tag line. The daily show put out a nice video showing just quotes of conservative politicians and media downplaying it as the flu. I don't know what treatment you are talking about though, but this should probably be taken to PP and get back on topic for car sales.
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Aren't the places hardest hit by this blue states? Weren't the Democrats the ones telling people to go out and live life normally, that this was just the flu? Weren't Democrat governors banning promising treatment and then reversing their decision? Sounds like you've got your sights set on the wrong lot to vote out.
Uh... factually? No. Not at all.

In fact as I type this, the 8 states that haven't taken any significant measures are all Republican held.
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New York and Lousiana are the two hardest hit states right now. California hasn't been hit that hard because of infrastructure... Most of the state is suburbs and even the apartments don't have shared hallways or lobbies, and nobody uses public transit. NYC for example, lots of public transit, all the apartments are multi-story with shared hallways and lobbies.
I take it that you've never been to San Francisco. Obviously the density is lower than in NYC, but everything bolded is 100% wrong.
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I take it that you've never been to San Francisco. Obviously the density is lower than in NYC, but everything bolded is 100% wrong.
There are a grand total of three streets with buildings like that. Most of the houses in SF are houses.
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New York and Lousiana are the two hardest hit states right now. California hasn't been hit that hard because of infrastructure... Most of the state is suburbs and even the apartments don't have shared hallways or lobbies, and nobody uses public transit. NYC for example, lots of public transit, all the apartments are multi-story with shared hallways and lobbies.

Lousiana was hit hard because of mardi gras. Churches are also being hit hard, with 30% of the cases in California linked directly to churches.

As for the flu arguement, that was a conservative tag line. The daily show put out a nice video showing just quotes of conservative politicians and media downplaying it as the flu. I don't know what treatment you are talking about though, but this should probably be taken to PP and get back on topic for car sales.
I bet you don't know what I'm talking about, you watch the Daily Show. If you don't like PP things being said in car sales threads take your own advice and leave the PP dialogue in PP. Hypocrite.

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Uh... factually? No. Not at all.

In fact as I type this, the 8 states that haven't taken any significant measures are all Republican held.
All eight of those states are unmitigated disasters eh?
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Ad you probably watch Fox News. Now stop posting and get back on topic if you just want to throw insults back and forth. Grow up.
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Ad you probably watch Fox News. Now stop posting and get back on topic if you just want to throw insults back and forth. Grow up.
Pro tip: I don't answer to you, stop telling people what to do and practice what you preach. We're only on this road because YOU went down it.
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Someone has a complete lack of understanding about a novel virus spreading in a globalized world.
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People are just watching the news 24/7 and need to take a break. We can't shut the country down for 6 months, or even 3. It will completely tank. Your money will be gone and there will be no jobs. It'll be anarchy. Do you even realize how many people are out of work already? 6 million. Big gubmint is gonna give them $1200, yeah that will last a long time. That won't even pay many people's apartment rent for a single month.

People are going to have to smarten up, change very bad habits, and soldier on. It's not about having a year's salary in the bank. It's about having work, job, career, country, life after. Even if we resume carefully in June, buddy, your life is forever changed. I don't think people can even grasp what this will do the country, the economy. SIP is the correct thing to do right now but this sucker will only hold so long. That little Dutch boy has his finger in the dam and can only hold it so long. Our only hope is warm/hot weather and hope along with SIP that gets over the hump, the curve, meds come out. And then people can proceed with extreme caution and resume. Dude this deal could go on for 2 years reinfesting the country no matter what we do.
Right... A life lived in fear isn't one well lived.

Look at the county (mine) where the first case in the US is reported. Look halfway down the page. https://www.snohd.org/499/COVID-19-Case-Count-Info The curve is flattening here. But we've been shuttered for a while. My son's school was closed over a month ago. We started more serious closures starting like 2 weeks ago or so.

We need to keep this under control until a viable vaccine comes out. I think that's the only game worth playing right now... What does that look like? Probably somewhere between total freedom and a SIP. Some things, like crowded dance clubs, gyms, etc may not be able to reopen until a vaccine comes out. Restaurants opening with only 50% capacity to keep things distanced. It might bounce back and forth if little infection cells pop up.

This is likely something we're stuck with forever. After this year, you're going to get hounded to get a flu and corona shot. It's going to take some time for the economy to repair from this, for sure... It'll be like the last recession, and will take a few years to rebound to full strength.

Looping back on topic, that recovery time is going to hurt not only new car sales, but also sales of more expensive mid tiered cars. I don't think premium cars will take a big hit, because rich people will remain rich... But I'd expect the truck and suv market might experience a hiccup.
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Maybe this will push the new truck and SUV market back to something approaching reasonable.
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I knew this and understood it even before society started talking about it. Car sales have really become an actual chase for the cheaper option. Few people realize that you can't have a more affordable option in this business if it's a higher quality car. You have to pay for everything in this life. It is for this reason that I have come to realize the importance of platforms like https://www.moneyexpert.com/car-insurance/instant-car-insurance/. It was really a discovery for me that I had been waiting for so long. Whether you find it an interesting observation or not, I don't know, but for sure, it's a valuable tool for every car owner

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Used cars bring crazy money now. Just sold 2020 MDX for $1500 more than I paid for it. Although I did get a great deal when I bought it some like Kia Teluride and others can get same as new price 1yr old. I think this will all end when stimulus money ends and reality hits.Wait till next year to buy when it goes to overproduction.
But I do expect a carbon tax be thrown on ICE motors and given to incentivize EVs in a big way to push them hard. But you know I'm kinda cAzy and they would not do that
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The used market is bananas right now. Looking at me from the past, the new truck market has gotten worse. Stealerships in Alaska are asking mid 50's for XLT F150's, seen too many "call for price" listed on things for comfort.
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