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Old 03-01-2010, 10:40 PM   #1
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looking to go coilovers on my 04 sti. the stock struts have about had it
looking to spend around a g. mostly street use but i would like to start doing some autocross. any suggestions. any places to get some good deals.
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Old 03-02-2010, 12:03 AM   #2
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Go to the Suspension Technical Forum. Awesome advice in there... too bad no one ever reads it.

EDIT: Copied from my post below after the thread went off-topic.

OP, here are some options you have at your disposal and the approximate pricing:


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1) BC Coilovers - Dampening/Rebound, spring rate (?) and height adjustable - ~$1000

2) Pair a dampener with a spring setup - Dampening/Rebound and height adjustable

2.1) Struts/Dampener - For this you have a few options, but the only two that really stand out are Tokico D-spec Struts or Koni Yellow Inserts. Both have adjustable Dampening/Rebound and both have superior valving to many cheaper coilover setups. The Koni's are the better option of the two with valving comparable to coilovers in excess of $18xx.xx. The D-specs run $540 and the Koni's run $620-700

2.2) Springs - For this you really have two options as well: Springs or a Ground Control Sleeve setup. With the springs you have a TON of options to choose both rates and height. You can get progressive or linear. Personally, I really prefer the RCE Yellows if you go this route. The Ground Control setup is even more versatile as it gives you a huge variety of spring rates and lengths and the system allows for height adjustment as well. The advantage to the GC setup is that springs are cheap and easily changed to suit your needs. This is an insanely popular autocross setup. Springs run $200-350 (buy em used for maximum saving) and the GC setup runs ~$400

Those are your options. I've personally worked on a variety of setups, but have extensively used Tokico D-specs with RCE springs. They are a great bang for your buck. I've gotten many compliments on how they perform as well as their refined comfortable nature. No bumps or rattles at all.

My new setup I'm building will utilize Koni Yellow Inserts in STi housings with a Ground Control Sleeve system. I just need to select my rates now.

Good luck and send me a PM if you have any more questions.

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Old 03-02-2010, 12:18 AM   #3
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I can get you BC or megans, i personally like the BCs a little better
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Old 03-02-2010, 03:42 PM   #4
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Old 03-02-2010, 05:26 PM   #5
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BC>>>>>Megan, i just got the bc ram models, they are very sweet. the br series will be sweet for street use and fully adjustable as well. pm evil he will take care of you, he is a good guy
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:24 PM   #6
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BC makes Megan coilovers... If I were you I would save up a little more and try to find a slightly used set of rce tarmac zeros. They are the best coilover set up for DD IMO.
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Old 03-02-2010, 06:40 PM   #7
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BC makes Megan coilovers... If I were you I would save up a little more and try to find a slightly used set of rce tarmac zeros. They are the best coilover set up for DD IMO.
Good advice ^
Why do you need coilovers anyway? Height adjustment is overrated for most applications, the exceptions being if you want to push the limits of slamming your car, you need to adjust for different seasons (shouldn't be an issue in most of the southwest) or if you need the adjustability for the track (corner balancing comes to mind).
Tarmac 0s, and KW V1s are the cheapest I would personally go. I've had good experiences with H&R on a lot of other cars and they make an 04 setup which I also might give a shot (it should be a little cheaper than the other two and it still uses bilstein dampers).
If you can spend more money, I can't recommend Tarmac 2s or ohlins DFVs enough (I have the latter)...but they're stepping into the $2-3K arena.
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Good advice ^
Why do you need coilovers anyway? Height adjustment is overrated for most applications, the exceptions being if you want to push the limits of slamming your car, you need to adjust for different seasons (shouldn't be an issue in most of the southwest) or if you need the adjustability for the track (corner balancing comes to mind).
Tarmac 0s, and KW V1s are the cheapest I would personally go. I've had good experiences with H&R on a lot of other cars and they make an 04 setup which I also might give a shot (it should be a little cheaper than the other two and it still uses bilstein dampers).
If you can spend more money, I can't recommend Tarmac 2s or ohlins DFVs enough (I have the latter)...but they're stepping into the $2-3K arena.
Also good advice. ^
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:28 PM   #9
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For you (OP) you can run the Tokico D-spec struts and RCE yellows and it will handle VERY VERY well. That's an excellent setup for sure. The D-specs are adjustable to meet your needs and they handle higher spring rates very well.
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BC makes Megan coilovers... If I were you I would save up a little more and try to find a slightly used set of rce tarmac zeros. They are the best coilover set up for DD IMO.
yes, BC makes megan, but they are not the same
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:52 AM   #12
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yes, BC makes megan, but they are not the same
I never said they were the same. All I'm saying is if hes willing to spend a little more he could get a way better coilover setup for his car. I think if people were to drive a set of fully dialed in bc coilovers compared to a set of higher end coilovers like the rce's they would clearly see what the better coilover is. Unfortunately, most enthusiasts now days only care about how slammed there car is and too often don't bother to think about the functionally of them.
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Maybe someone should tell Phil from element tuning that his BC coilovers suck
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:15 PM   #14
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Maybe someone should tell Phil from element tuning that his BC coilovers suck
Hmm last time i heard he was running the JIC Custom valved FLT-RS. Regardless, if he happened to change his setup, AND IS RUNNING THE BC stuff im almost positive there not some off the shelf coilovers that a regular customer would buy for there dd sti.

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Old 03-03-2010, 12:30 PM   #15
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Maybe someone should tell Phil from element tuning that his BC coilovers suck
It's also a bit of a fallacy to assume that because a driver chooses a part, that it's the best part available or that it's even good. I'm not necessarily knocking BC, but I am saying that you always point to Phil as proof of BC's worth. Some drivers are just plain fast. They can make up for improper suspension setup because they are skilled. I envy these people. These people are very talented, but it does not mean they cannot benefit from a different setup.

Also, is he using the $900 BC's or one of their more expensive sets?


Again, I'm not looking to start fights here, just a discussion.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:38 PM   #16
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&postcount=73

Quote from the link, that someone from BC said, also in that thread Phil also posts

"The coilovers that Element Tuning and Topspeed use are the SAME EXACT coilovers that customers can buy and have bought. I know. I provided them personally.

Call them up. Ask them yourself.

They asked for slightly different spring rates, that's it. Valving is OTS. We provide that same service to our customers, as we always have since the beginning."
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:46 PM   #17
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It's also a bit of a fallacy to assume that because a driver chooses a part, that it's the best part available or that it's even good. I'm not necessarily knocking BC, but I am saying that you always point to Phil as proof of BC's worth. Some drivers are just plain fast. They can make up for improper suspension setup because they are skilled. I envy these people. These people are very talented, but it does not mean they cannot benefit from a different setup.

Also, is he using the $900 BC's or one of their more expensive sets?


Again, I'm not looking to start fights here, just a discussion.
do you really think someone with a time attack car would rather use a improper suspension and "make up for it" then use something they believe would make them pull better times???
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do you really think someone with a time attack car would rather use a improper suspension and "make up for it" then use something they believe would make them pull better times???
I'm not saying he's using the wrong setup at all. It might be perfect for him. But yeah, I guess I am saying people make mistakes all the time. And it's entirely possible that because someone is very talented, it might not affect them to the extent it would a less talented driver.

Because "Phil from Element Tuning uses them" is not justification on whether or not they are a good coilover for the OP.

Phil is also using them on a time attack car right? That's a far cry from what is needed on a street car.

Just saying.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:01 PM   #19
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I am making the point, because people come in and say BCs suck (in other words) and i am saying if they do suck, i don't think one of the fastest guys in a subaru would be using them.

My wagon doesn't ride harsh at all, very smooth and is a DD with BCs on it, so is i put RCE zeros on it, my car will ride smoother and handle better as a DD for only $900-1000 more???? thats pretty much what everyone is saying so i just want to make sure i am getting it right
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I am making the point, because people come in and say BCs suck (in other words) and i am saying if they do suck, i don't think one of the fastest guys in a subaru would be using them.

My wagon doesn't ride harsh at all, very smooth and is a DD with BCs on it, so is i put RCE zeros on it, my car will ride smoother and handle better as a DD for only $900-1000 more???? thats pretty much what everyone is saying so i just want to make sure i am getting it right
Never said that they sucked, all i said that there are a lot better coilovers out there if your wanted to spend a little more money. Im sure that if money wasn't an issue Phil from element would be using a different set of coilovers like ohlin,motion, etc.
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Money for Phil probably isnt an issue by the looks of how well put together his car looks. He could've bought Ohlins instead of those CF doors he's got.
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My main contention with the BC's (and most coilovers in that range) is the lack of bump travel and droop. Both of these are qualities I value a lot in a strut/sprint or coilover setup. This is why I'm taking a different approach. Not everyone agrees though and that's cool.
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Never said that they sucked, all i said that there are a lot better coilovers out there if your wanted to spend a little more money. Im sure that if money wasn't an issue Phil from element would be using a different set of coilovers like ohlin,motion, etc.
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My main contention with the BC's is the lack of bump travel and droop. Both of these are qualities I value a lot in a strut/sprint or coilover setup. This is why I'm taking a different approach. Not everyone agrees though and that's cool.
i just read that whole thread, LoL even my little one have NEVER had a problem with lack of bump travel and droop, and this is since she was born,

I think that a nice sturt/spring combo is nice for the street, but i don't think my BCs are bad for the steet, My car isn't riding coilovers so i can "slam" it like alot of people, I don't feel anything is wrong with my coilovers, as they aren't Harsh on the steet like most people who has never had them will say. and to even say the road out here aren't good for these coilovers are crazy, living in NJ with pothole and some VERY bad roads, i still didn't think they were harsh like people make them out to be.
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i just read that whole thread, LoL even my little one have NEVER had a problem with lack of bump travel and droop, and this is since she was born,

I think that a nice sturt/spring combo is nice for the street, but i don't think my BCs are bad for the steet, My car isn't riding coilovers so i can "slam" it like alot of people, I don't feel anything is wrong with my coilovers, as they aren't Harsh on the steet like most people who has never had them will say. and to even say the road out here aren't good for these coilovers are crazy, living in NJ with pothole and some VERY bad roads, i still didn't think they were harsh like people make them out to be.
Sounds like your happy with YOUR coilover setup and I think that's all that matters. We could go back and forth all day on what setup is the best for dd in the end I personally think that if you could spend the extra cash on some rce zeros they would suit the dd needs a lot better. Not to mention the peace of mind that all rce's coilovers have a lifetime rebuild warranty.
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