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Old 07-02-2020, 04:25 PM   #51
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I'd wager most Rav4 owners probably never take it on any type of terrain ever, save for maybe a dirt parking lot now and then. The average CUV owner probably only cares that the car looks nice, gets somewhat good gas mileage, and fits their kid and/or pet, and will only use it to putt around town.
I will say this, they are easy to get in and out of than a car, or a truck/full size SUV. That's why I'm considering one. I've been in and out of them in the showroom, and I just slide out. The impreza, I have to turn, lift up to get out, and not getting any younger. If you see most drivers, they're not young.

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Have you driven one, or are you simply spewing CUV hate without any experience?

It can handle "rough pavement" and the situations the target audience will throw at it, including, heaven forbid, the occasional dirt/gravel road .

define for me please:
crappy suspension
crappy steering
mediocre brakes

It has stiff suspension, if considering it for off-road duty, but that isn't the target or what it was designed for, on-road use is what it was designed for. It's a comfortable ride, doesn't have a lot of body roll, the dampers are well matched to the springs; it's literally a high-ride car, which is what it was designed to be.
The steering has almost no feedback, but that is common today in EPS vehicles of this type, it is responsive, although video-game esque feeling, which again, is par for the course. It is not sloppy, and there is no freeplay on center, nor is it a loose ratio.
The 60 to zero stopping distance is 120ft, that is not mediocre.

I wouldn't track or offroad a Rav4, and it was designed to do neither of those tasks. I also hate CUV's with a passion, because they are literally less efficient high-ride cars; worse in every measurable performance metric, but people love them, especially the Rav4. It is good at what it does; answer me this - would you take a modern CVT equipped Forester offroading on terrain you wouldn't take a Rav4 over? CUV's are mundane people movers, pick your poison; for my money I'd take the Rav4 over a Forester without a second though.

The problem with modern Mitsubishis is that they are neither modern nor reliable; they have a bad reputation they did their damnedest to earn by cutting corners and delivering a garbage product to the market for the past 20+ years.

Related - Suzuki is literally rebadging a Rav4, I would have no issues buying it since everything except the badge is Toyota - I'd buy whichever I could get the better deal on (if I were in the market for this kind of vehicle, and the "Across" was offered in the US market).

I know people that bought the Pontiac Vibe over a Toyota Matrix because it was a Toyota under the skin and they got a better deal on it, unsurprisingly they had no issues with it during their ownership term.
Yes I absolutely have driven my father in laws 2020 several times as I wash it for him occasionally and usually drive him home in it when he's had too much to drink. I'm being kind when I say I dislike it as I tried to convince him not to buy it in December after test driving several better CUV's in the CRV, CX-5, and Forester. Unfortunately Toyota has a good grip on seniors and he was set on getting the worst one we drove. My wife doesn't care about cars but even she after driving it last week and mentioned out of the blue how she wasn't impressed compared to her generation old Outback. It's a mediocre vehicle that's buoyed by Toyota's reputation of reliability. The NVH of the engine alone is embarrassing in this day and age.
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This is our next family car for ski trips and what not. We were planning to replace our ten year old Outback with a Forester, but the plug in hybrid range sold us. My wife shouldn’t have to burn any gas on her 25 mile commute.
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This is our next family car for ski trips and what not. We were planning to replace our ten year old Outback with a Forester, but the plug in hybrid range sold us. My wife shouldn’t have to burn any gas on her 25 mile commute.
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there are a ton of video reviews on this model on YT now. one that I saw said the battery was good for 42 miles before it has to start the petrol engine.
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I will say this, they are easy to get in and out of than a car, or a truck/full size SUV. That's why I'm considering one. I've been in and out of them in the showroom, and I just slide out. The impreza, I have to turn, lift up to get out, and not getting any younger. If you see most drivers, they're not young.

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Do some pushups. None of us are getting any younger. Many of us here in mid to late 40's, 50's, etc. My truck is partially CUV based, at least the cab. My compact hatchback which is my DD is no harder to get in and out of. I marvel at people with this ingress thing. They act like your normal car is like seating yourself in an Elise.

If enthusiasts get suckered by the herd-dom and buy these thing then bye-bye to anything cool. And by cool I mean handles, stops, accelerates. CUV's are top heavy and you are sacrificing handling. Buy a CUV you might as well go buy a dildo and hang it from the rear view mirror.
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You don’t have to adjust your withholding to compensate. I didn’t change my withholding at all the year I got my solar array. Per usual, I owed ~$1000 at tax time before the credit of $4500, so the government cut me a check for $3500. If you owed zero, you would get a check for $7500 with this purchase.
Exactly, just to reiterate, you get $7500 back if you buy one of these, regardless of what you owe for taxes. If you compare the Prime to a similarly equipped Hybrid (which isn’t the base trim) you come out quite well with the Prime.
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Have you driven one, or are you simply spewing CUV hate without any experience?

The problem with modern Mitsubishis is that they are neither modern nor reliable; they have a bad reputation they did their damnedest to earn by cutting corners and delivering a garbage product to the market for the past 20+ years.
Have you driven one, or are you simply spewing CUV hate without any experience?

90's Mitsus? sure, pure crap.

recent? not so much. had an Evo X MR (bought used) daily driver for 6 years and wife currently has an Outlander Sport (bought new) for the past 5 years ... *ZERO* issues, just routine maintenance. a couple minor recalls - small non-issue things that were handled at the dealer in 30min to an hour.

in comparison, the 4 Subarus i've owned had *MANY* issues, including the 2 bought brand new. recall after recall for major stuff, many replaced parts/repairs, and a blown engine to top it off. i'd take a recent Mitsu any day over a Subaru (if i was looking for a boring, reliable car ... the kind my wife likes ) not much personal experience with Toyota, but there are lots of people who view cars as appliances, don't care much about driving dynamics, and just want reliable A to B transportation ... that's why they sell so many RAV's.
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Exactly, just to reiterate, you get $7500 back if you buy one of these, regardless of what you owe for taxes. If you compare the Prime to a similarly equipped Hybrid (which isn’t the base trim) you come out quite well with the Prime.

... unless your total tax liability (not your withholdings—unrelated) is less than $7,500, that is. It’s not a refundable credit.
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Do some pushups.
I had surgery in my lower back a few years ago, removed the base of my spine to get at a benign tumor that was 4cm/2cm/6cm that was attached to it. All the PT in the world doesn't help. There's a pressure when getting up that is, how do I say, uncomfortable... SUre, I bought the car knowing that is it improved, thinking that it was going to keep getting better, but it hasn't.

I didn't say "everyone", I did say... *I* have to. And as you get older, people do have issues lifting up and out of cars.

So... I'd appreciate if you could have some empathy for lots of older people that do have issues with their backs as they grow older... Seriously, talk to older people and actually find out about their backs.

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I think Pre qualifies as elder.
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... unless your total tax liability (not your withholdings—unrelated) is less than $7,500, that is. It’s not a refundable credit.

Ah yes, that is correct. My liability is so much higher than that, I had forgotten that part.
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Ah yes, that is correct. My liability is so much higher than that, I had forgotten that part.

I’d have to have a really manic year for car buying to even come close to have this being an issue.

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I had surgery in my lower back a few years ago, removed the base of my spine to get at a benign tumor that was 4cm/2cm/6cm that was attached to it. All the PT in the world doesn't help. There's a pressure when getting up that is, how do I say, uncomfortable... SUre, I bought the car knowing that is it improved, thinking that it was going to keep getting better, but it hasn't.

I didn't say "everyone", I did say... *I* have to. And as you get older, people do have issues lifting up and out of cars.

So... I'd appreciate if you could have some empathy for lots of older people that do have issues with their backs as they grow older... Seriously, talk to older people and actually find out about their backs.

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I had shoulder surgery a year ago, bankart repair. Sling, PT, did it all by myself. Had zero help post op outside of a ride to and from surgery. I tore both shoulders actually, the other one is a slap tear. My ortho injected both shoulders with stem cells prior to surgery. The shoulder I had surgery on was stronger than the one that didn’t get surgery 4 months from op. I was a militant freak of nature when it came to PT, so much so I got to bail on PT months earlier as I went so far past what the PT Dr. could throw at me my ortho signed off. To this day I still do all the PT exercises to keep the stabilizers strong. I was and am eating chicken/beef broth, basically the kitchen sink at it all.

Oh did I mention I have a bad back that I have corrected myself via weights and strengthening especially my lower back (hyperextensions). I’m getting older myself. 50 isn’t far now. I’m just in that gym fighting the age Clint Eastwood style every week day and sometimes the weekends too. It gets us all. But I intend to die with my boots on. I eat right 90% of the time (like a nutritionist), put down the beer, and lift/exercise so regularly I should have a plaque at my gym. About to put in a home gym once equipment returns to normal pricing and they actually have it in stock. My right ankle and left knee are starting to get to me as well, from hacks and squats and from doing most all of my home maintenance myself, the weed pulling and doing the yard every 5 days is a beating. About to have to flip to lunges. Every time I hit a road block from age, I pivot. I keep my body fat low and as I age I get more and more strict on what I put into my body. Lots of supplements, I get acupuncture, massages, a lot of work to stay fit. Eating right and building muscle where the skeleton is weak helps tremendously. So does keeping the body fat at a minimum.

Injuries, age, they suck, but you can fight them all. It’s hard damn work but rewarding.

Either way don’t buy a CUV. Get a compact truck. More functionality. Or get a SUV. The CUV is good at nothing. I do empathize but I’ve been there many times. 3 stem cell injections, all helped tremendously but it’s the work I’ve put in that has done the most good. The self denial and consistent PT/weights/exercise. Even swimming has done wonders.
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The lack of empathy and understanding, combined with ignorance is just truly astounding.


I still don't get why the new highlander hybrid dropped from 300 hp down to 243 hp, while they get ready to offer a Rav-4 hybrid with 300 hp...
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The lack of empathy and understanding, combined with ignorance is just truly astounding.


Please stop whining little girl. Go get yourself a lollipop.
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The lack of empathy and understanding, combined with ignorance is just truly astounding.


I still don't get why the new highlander hybrid dropped from 300 hp down to 243 hp, while they get ready to offer a Rav-4 hybrid with 300 hp...

HiHy went from V-6 to I-4.

RAV4 Prime has the power as a side effect of the math of C rating x (bigger) pack capacity.
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Please stop whining little girl. Go get yourself a lollipop.
you sound like wonderful human being to be around.

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HiHy went from V-6 to I-4.

RAV4 Prime has the power as a side effect of the math of C rating x (bigger) pack capacity.
I mean, I understand the changes to the drivetrain, I don't understand why they made the changes. I skipped the hybrids altogether because one CVT in the driveway is enough.
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It’s not a CVT in that sense, so not unreliable that way. No changing physical ratios via belt or chain.

Instead two electric motors on one planetary gearset, effective ratio changes effected via electric motor speed and direction alterations.

Elegant system, that TRW design.
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Pre... Go ask your doctor next time you see them if all recoveries are the same, when the surgeries and injuries are different.

I've only explained my issues and stuck with my perspective. No two recoveries are the same, even for SAME surgeries, never mind different ones.

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It’s not a CVT in that sense, so not unreliable that way. No changing physical ratios via belt or chain.

Instead two electric motors on one planetary gearset, effective ratio changes effected via electric motor speed and direction alterations.

Elegant system, that TRW design.
https://global.toyota/en/mobility/tn...train2018/cvt/

Looks to me like it still uses a belt and sheave just like every other CVT out there... but does have the "launch gear", which likely gets rid of the rubber band feel and stress of initial acceleration on the components, which is a good thing.
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Ah yes, that is correct. My liability is so much higher than that, I had forgotten that part.


Regarding the credit, if your tax liability is $20,000 for the year, then with the credit you’d owe $12,500?
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So does the Rav4 Prime use the "Toyota Hybrid System" power split architecture that is basically the same as the Prius? If so , the CVT is just the planetary gear set. If not it probably uses a belt style CVT.
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actually, i took another look, that direct shift cvt with the launch gear looks like it's only in the new corolla for now... looks like the highlander has the typical hybrid cvt, and assuming this rav4 prime would as well.
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