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10-30-2008, 02:46 PM | #151 | |
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I didn't have much info when I sent you that e-mail other than seeing an ECU freak out with my own eyes simply due to the air pump being removed on another customer's car. It was adding a timing floor, making the minimum timing higher than what's prudent to run in the lower RPMs at high load. That secondary sensor is the barometric pressure sensor, not a backup MAP sensor. That ground seems to be the one causing issues which make the ECU prescribe dangerous ignition timing. With that ground hooked up the car goes right back to normal. Before it was hooked back up I kept trying to remove timing from the ECU cal in various way and none of them did anything at all. Again, with that plug hooked back up, I could make adjustments and get the desired affect with no funny business. I have a feeling the people not having issues are not unplugging that portion of the system: You can isolate the ground wire and run it yourself if you don't want to keep that unit shown for clearance, like when you're putting a GT35R kit and a front mount IC on an 07 STi...
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10-30-2008, 03:17 PM | #152 |
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which color is the ground wire?
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10-30-2008, 04:26 PM | #153 |
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Manufacturer's don't always use the same color wires so I don't like to go by wire color. I'm also not sure if the pin position is the same for all the years and models. We just use Alldata to check over the wiring in the factory service manual specific to the car we're working on and then test it to confirm before changing anything.
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10-31-2008, 03:54 PM | #154 | |
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11-03-2008, 08:36 PM | #155 |
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I now have the P02443 BS as well.. I just want to run without a CEL - Is it worth the hassle to remove everything, or just delete the bloody CEL codes?
I would have to get my AP protuner to do this for me, but 50 bucks is better than the $900 or so - right now the dealer thinks my ECU needs to be replaced. They have already changed out the relay, and i am still getting the damn code. They are not getting a signal from the ECU to open the valve when they force the value in the ECU. |
11-04-2008, 09:53 AM | #156 | |
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11-04-2008, 01:52 PM | #157 |
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If you guys are using the AP, just have your Protuner delete the codes. I have 2 codes, and they were both able to be deleted. NO side effects that I have seen in nearly 6 months.
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11-04-2008, 03:21 PM | #158 |
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I turned off my codes using opensource. Ive been going without the pump, valves, or lines for around 6 months, no problems at all.
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11-05-2008, 01:30 AM | #159 | ||
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In post # 22 on the first page of this thread bluetwo wrote:
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I guess I am the only one who saw this but I laughed so hard I spit my gum out on my keyboard when I read it - That is a perfect idea for this pump Jive.....perfect. |
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11-06-2008, 03:30 PM | #160 | |
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11-06-2008, 03:41 PM | #161 | ||
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11-19-2008, 12:58 PM | #162 |
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Did this delete last night.
I didn't find the valve from the passenger side. I only blocked of the two openings in the driver's side. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
11-19-2008, 01:02 PM | #163 |
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The valve itself is on the drivers side (2 of em, one near the starter, one kinda under the manifold) but it does feed the passenger side.
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11-19-2008, 01:41 PM | #164 |
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Alright, a couple quick questions-
I was told by a shop/tuner that the sensor everyone is concerned about measures the air that the pump in pushing into the cat, pressure wise. So that removing the unit and all lines/pumps/solenoids is fine and any check engine lights can be removed without harming the car. Anyone have any solid experience with this on an 07 STI? How many people are currently running their 07 STI's without this pump, entirely removed, and have they had any issues? Thanks, -Chris |
11-19-2008, 01:56 PM | #165 |
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11-19-2008, 02:26 PM | #166 |
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I did this on my car and removed the entire system, including the relays/fuses. Took a while to find out the relay's were throwing an engine light with no code! Disabling the relay CEL's made it go away.
I used cosworth delete plates and had Clark Turner tune my car, no issues from doing this whatsoever after the relay hickup. |
11-19-2008, 06:54 PM | #167 |
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well as I stated before, I did this mod last night.
This morning I heard a weird noise coming from that area of the engine for about 30 seconds and it went away. It was cold this morning. Is this normal? |
11-19-2008, 07:40 PM | #168 |
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11-20-2008, 02:43 PM | #169 | |
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11-20-2008, 04:36 PM | #170 |
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What openings do you state you blocked off? If you didn't remove the valves completely it's possible you heard them actuating. I can't really say much without knowing what exactly you removed, how much you left, and what/where you blocked it off.
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11-20-2008, 09:29 PM | #171 |
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I really want some solid facts on this:
Can it be done with no ill side effects on the car? How many check engine lights should you be expecting to have to delete? How much of the system can you remove, or do you remove the entire system solenoids and all? |
11-20-2008, 09:40 PM | #172 | |
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11-20-2008, 09:48 PM | #173 | |
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11-21-2008, 02:10 AM | #174 | |
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11-21-2008, 09:49 AM | #175 |
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On my 06 WRX I removed the black snail pump, the rubber hosing, both solenoids, and the hardline to the passenger side with no ill effects. I did not ground out any wires at all.
07 STI's only have 1 solenoid. I don't know if this functions differently that the 06 WRX in terms of the pressure sensor. |
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