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Old 08-27-2004, 11:28 PM   #1
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Unhappy Help! Did Hotchkis send me wrong hardware?

I am in the middle of installing a Hotchkiss rear sway bar. I got everything off ok and replaced the OEM brackets with their heavy duty brackets. Then I can't figure out how to connect the bushing retainer brackets to their supplied brackets. In their instructions it says, "Place the bushing retainer brackets over the bushings. Insert the four remaining flange head bolts into the brackets from the backside."

Now when I look at my hardware all I have left is 4 bolts with ROUND heads with a large 8mm allen inset that look like this:
Sorry the image is out of focus ( can't remember how to do manual focus on the digital right now. One thing at a time!) but you can see the thing is round and its got an allen type inset.

It seems to me like they screwed up. Note: I did get the front and rear sway bar together along with the endlinks. Am I the one who is confused or did they bork the shipment?

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Old 08-28-2004, 12:00 AM   #2
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those are the correct bolts to have
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Old 08-28-2004, 12:12 AM   #3
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Anyway the next step reads:

"Use a 12mm wrench or socket to hold the bolt head and a 13mm wrench or socket to tighten the nylock nut to mound the sway bar to the bracket."

Basically I wasn't supplied a 12mm bolt or a 13mm nut so I am thinking something is definately out of whack.

Perhaps the hardware shown is the correct hardware for an STi? Or if they are indeed the correct bolts to have could you elaborate?

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Old 08-28-2004, 01:37 AM   #4
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on the bottom of the bracket the nut is already welded in place.. and they are a PITA to torque down because of the powder coating
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Old 08-28-2004, 03:41 PM   #5
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on the bottom of the bracket the nut is already welded in place.. and they are a PITA to torque down because of the powder coating
That is correct. I just installed the front and rear sway bars with end links and frame brackets last night...so I can help you with what you need. Those are the correct bolts, and they go in throught the front instead of throught the back like the directions state. The reason for this is because they welded the nut on the other side...I hope this helps. If you need anything else, feel free to email me. Peace!


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Old 08-28-2004, 08:11 PM   #6
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Are you telling me that you used an 8mm allen wrench to tighten those nuts? And if so, how did you torque them down to 30 ft.-lbs using an allen wrench? Just by feel, I guess?

Yes I did see the bolt welded to the back there. I just got some regular bolts from Home Depot for .93 cents and used those - again from the bottom and not from the top as the directions stated. They weren't particularly hard to torque down because of the powder coating - just keep turning.... The only difficulty arose from there being very little room left on the bushing retainer brackets as the bolt began to tighten down. I just used a regular wrench from the side to tighten things up. From that point of view -- ie having a bolt with a very small head which can then seat of the retainer bracket -- the allen type bolts do make more sense than a regular shaped bolt.
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Old 08-29-2004, 12:28 AM   #7
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they have sockets with the allen keys on them... that with an impact gun made it somewhat easier
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Old 08-29-2004, 02:33 AM   #8
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Well when I torque everything down again after a hundred miles or so then I will swap out the correct bolts as they are probably better.
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:47 AM   #9
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Are you telling me that you used an 8mm allen wrench to tighten those nuts? And if so, how did you torque them down to 30 ft.-lbs using an allen wrench? Just by feel, I guess?
No, I did not tighten them down to 30 ft/lbs. with the allen wrench...I used the allen wrench to keep the bolt from spinning while I tightened the nut with a wrench. I tightened the bolt down as much as I could, and then torqued it with a torque wrench. This should work because once you get it down tight enough, the bolt doesn't typically spin anymore. It is kind of hard to explain, so I hope what I am saying makes sense to you...Good luck!



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Old 08-29-2004, 06:49 AM   #10
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they have sockets with the allen keys on them... that with an impact gun made it somewhat easier
What do you mean they have sockets with the allen key on them? Do you have a picture...and where do I get one of these? It doesn't seem possible to have an allen wrench inside of the socket because the allen wrench would just spin with the socket...and you wouldn't be tightening anything down. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying...so maybe a little clarification would be in order. Thanks in advance.


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Old 09-02-2004, 10:12 PM   #11
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Here is a link for the 8mm hex you need
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...id=00942678000
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Old 09-03-2004, 01:43 AM   #12
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Here is a link for the 8mm hex you need
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...id=00942678000
Thanks for the link man!


As I said before though...It doesn't seem possible to have an allen wrench inside of the socket because the allen wrench would just spin with the socket...and you wouldn't be tightening anything down. Maybe I misinterpreted what you were saying...so could you please clarify for me before I go buy the hex. Thanks in advance.
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You really can't figure out how an allen head socket works AND you installed your own sway bars? Scary.

Now you've got me confused.

Seriously, look at the pic in the link, it doesn't get any clearer.
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Old 09-03-2004, 01:58 AM   #14
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Voam, be careful running those regular old hardware store bolts in that application, they may be a softer grade than the original hardware. you don't want to put soft bolts into a situation that may require grade 8 fasteners or the like.
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You really can't figure out how an allen head socket works AND you installed your own sway bars? Scary.

Now you've got me confused.

Seriously, look at the pic in the link, it doesn't get any clearer.
I understand how it works...but the whole point of sticking an allen key in there and using a wrench to tighten it down is so the shaft of the bolt doesn't spin in place. And by looking at the picture, it seems as thought the bolt would spin WITH the shaft thus not tightening the bolt. I could be understanding this wrong, but what I did was put and allen key in the tip of the bolt to hold it in place and tighten the bolt with a ratcheting wrench as tight as I could. I then torqued them down...but only some of them would torque while the others just spun. It's all good though...I will figure it out. Thanks for your help. Peace!
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...what I did was put and allen key in the tip of the bolt to hold it in place and tighten the bolt with a ratcheting wrench as tight as I could. I then torqued them down...but only some of them would torque while the others just spun. It's all good though...I will figure it out. Thanks for your help. Peace!

How is it that you couldn't do the same thing with a ratchet with an allen attachment? I'm really confused by this.
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How is it that you couldn't do the same thing with a ratchet with an allen attachment? I'm really confused by this.
Because if the allen is in the middle of the socket and your turning it with a ratchet...wouldn't they spin together because they are one piece? It's not like you are holding one still while the other is being turned like you would with a separate allen key and wrench. Do you understand where my confusion is coming from? I have never seen this socket, so I don't know exactly what it does...so please bare with me. LOL
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when you're turning the nut on the other end, the allen bolt is held still by the ratchet wrench. It boggles my mind how you can't grasp this. It is a socket bit with an allen head hex key embedded in it, it doesn't just float in the socket.

Imagine putting an 8mm socket onto a 1" long piece of an 8mm allen wrench and there you have it I don't see where the confusion is.

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when you're turning the nut on the other end, the allen bolt is held still by the ratchet wrench. It boggles my mind how you can't grasp this. It is a socket bit with an allen head hex key embedded in it, it doesn't just float in the socket.

Imagine putting an 8mm socket onto a 1" long piece of an 8mm allen wrench and there you have it I don't see where the confusion is.
OK man...I will figure it out. Thanks.
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