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Old 02-16-2019, 08:45 PM   #6601
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Old 02-17-2019, 01:44 AM   #6602
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Old 02-17-2019, 02:31 AM   #6603
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Funny lookin fighter jet
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:20 AM   #6604
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Rumor has it, the F35 did really well at Red Flag.
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:08 AM   #6605
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USAF plans on buying 80 F-15Xs through 2024. First USAF F-15 purchase since 2001.

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Old 02-19-2019, 08:14 PM   #6606
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Not fighter jets, but whatever, cool as ****.

https://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-jet-stream-flight-20190219-story.html

801mph in yore passenger jet? Damn.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:27 PM   #6607
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USAF plans on buying 80 F-15Xs through 2024. First USAF F-15 purchase since 2001.


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Old 02-19-2019, 10:15 PM   #6608
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Glad to hear we're getting more. As a tanker guy, the F-15E is probably my favorite receiver. F-22s are comparable but there's nothing like dumping 20-25k each in to a couple Strike Eagles that just arrived in country. Compared to an F-16 that basically sips gas all sortie long, I'd take Strike Eagles every day of the week. Your FA-18s aren't so bad, except for that drogue offload rate.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:22 PM   #6609
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If you’re a KC-10 guy, we can be friends.

We all hate the Iron Maiden with a passion
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:36 PM   #6610
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If you’re a KC-10 guy, we can be friends.

We all hate the Iron Maiden with a passion
The only thing I hate more than a new co-pilot landing is doing receiver work behind a 135. I usually just turn towards my panel, unless it's so bad I need to have my eyes peeled. Nothing worse than a consol from a 135 in the AOR when you're already 6-7 hours into the flight and were supposed to RTB soon. I think the only people I've heard that prefer the 135 are T-tail guys, for obvious reasons.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:49 PM   #6611
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I'm somewhat surprised at the $90mm price tag for the 15x. Would have thought it at least half that of the F35.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:36 AM   #6612
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The only thing I hate more than a new co-pilot landing is doing receiver work behind a 135. I usually just turn towards my panel, unless it's so bad I need to have my eyes peeled. Nothing worse than a consol from a 135 in the AOR when you're already 6-7 hours into the flight and were supposed to RTB soon. I think the only people I've heard that prefer the 135 are T-tail guys, for obvious reasons.
How do you feel about 3D movies though?

https://www.ksn.com/amp/news/local/tanker-tour-boeing-gives-tour-of-the-new-kc-46-pegasus-tankers/1726864104
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:47 AM   #6613
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I'm somewhat surprised at the $90mm price tag for the 15x. Would have thought it at least half that of the F35.
I think that's list. They're probably paying quite a bit less than that.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:28 AM   #6614
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I'm somewhat surprised at the $90mm price tag for the 15x. Would have thought it at least half that of the F35.
The USAF paid around $75M for the last F-15E in 2000-2001, so in today's dollars with upgrades $90M sounds about right, or even a bit low.

The real interesting part is that Boeing would be on a fixed cost contract, so if they can't produce the F-15X under the allotted contract cost, they eat the difference... Just like they have had to do on the KC-46.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:51 AM   #6615
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Rumor has it, the F35 did really well at Red Flag.
Not a rumor any longer... And they make other aircraft more effective as well.

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1760228/hill-afb-airmen-f-35-a-lethal-combo-at-red-flag/

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...During the first week of Red Flag, the F-35 pilots flew in a larger force of Blue Air in a counter-air mission. More than 60 aggressor aircraft were flying against them, blinding many of the fourth-generation aircraft with “robust” electronic attack capabilities.

“I’ve never seen anything like it before,” Wood said. “This is not a mission you want a young pilot flying in. My wingman was a brand new F-35A pilot, seven or eight flights out of training. He gets on the radio and tells an experienced, 3,000-hour pilot in a very capable fourth-generation aircraft. ‘Hey bud, you need to turn around. You’re about to die. There’s a threat off your nose.’”

The young pilot then “killed” the enemy aircraft and had three more kills in the hour-long mission.

“Even in this extremely challenging environment, the F-35 didn’t have many difficulties doing its job,” Wood said. ‘That’s a testament to the pilot’s training and the capabilities of the jet.”...
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:34 AM   #6616
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[theinternet]Acktwally, the F16 is better than the F35 because Tyler Rogoway said so.[/the internet]

I think that's what a lot of the critics fail to realize - 5th gen "stealth" isn't just one thing. It's multiple technologies layered on top of each other along with corresponding tactics.

China has been bragging the past couple days that they can supposedly track F22s. Yeah, ok. Let's see how effective they are when we're actually trying. Anyone can track F22s carrying drop tanks on a long range patrol.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:52 AM   #6617
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Well, China isn’t lying.

Stealth is designed to counter X-band radars. You have an aircraft like the KJ2000 that has a B-band radar and viola.

Now, there’s a reason X-band radar is used for counterair, it gives you the fidelity needed for a weapons quality trackfile, B-band does not.

Fortunately, this is how science works.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:26 PM   #6618
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Yeah, it's my understanding that lower frequency radar has the ability to track "stealth" but is not high fidelity enough to provide a fire control level of quality to utilize weapons, correct?
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:29 PM   #6619
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Correct.

And we're just talking about the physics of passive stealth, which is only one part of why 5th gen aircraft are so fancy.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:36 PM   #6620
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This conversation gave me a chub.

Jets are so cool.
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The USAF paid around $75M for the last F-15E in 2000-2001, so in today's dollars with upgrades $90M sounds about right, or even a bit low.

The real interesting part is that Boeing would be on a fixed cost contract, so if they can't produce the F-15X under the allotted contract cost, they eat the difference... Just like they have had to do on the KC-46.
Right and given their experience they can do the fixed cost contract.

What I found interesting is that

1. 20k hour life
2. Per hour is $27k vs $40+k for the F35. How does that work?
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Right and given their experience they can do the fixed cost contract.

What I found interesting is that

1. 20k hour life
2. Per hour is $27k vs $40+k for the F35. How does that work?
Stealth exterior coatings are insanely expensive and time consuming to maintain. Although the F35 is supposedly better in this regard than previous stealth aircraft.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:53 PM   #6623
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And we need 5th gen aircraft.

Fortunately, we're realizing we can't only have 5th gen aircraft and we need to supplement them with 4.5 gen aircraft like the F-15X and Advanced Super Hornet.
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2. Per hour is $27k vs $40+k for the F35. How does that work?
Not sure where you are getting $40k/hour for the F-35. The 2018 SAR estimated it was around $30k/hour and the program office has stated their goal is to bring sustainment costs down to match legacy levels, around $25k/hour.
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Well, China isn’t lying.

Stealth is designed to counter X-band radars. You have an aircraft like the KJ2000 that has a B-band radar and viola.

Now, there’s a reason X-band radar is used for counterair, it gives you the fidelity needed for a weapons quality trackfile, B-band does not.

Fortunately, this is how science works.
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