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Old 01-29-2009, 05:06 PM   #51
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i believe robman is the secretary for defense OT. the king of ot appointed him. something of that nature anyway.
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:10 PM   #52
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i believe robman is the secretary for defense OT. the king of ot appointed him. something of that nature anyway.


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Old 01-29-2009, 05:14 PM   #53
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Got a picture in the OP for you guys. We had some Kfirs come to the airport while back, they were the loudest planes I have ever heard (well maybe except for a G3 lol).
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:18 PM   #54
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harrier is the loudest ive ever heard. but that could just be becuase most jets going full throttle are gone pretty quick
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:21 PM   #55
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Got a picture in the OP for you guys. We had some Kfirs come to the airport while back, they were the loudest planes I have ever heard (well maybe except for a G3 lol).
Curious. Where from? I don't think the Israelis fly them anymore - but I'm sure many smaller air forces still do.
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:23 PM   #56
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harrier is the loudest ive ever heard. but that could just be becuase most jets going full throttle are gone pretty quick
It's up there. Anything water-injected, though, yikes. I saw an F-105 fly out of Davis Monthan once, and I was about 2 miles away. I've been a few hundred feet from flightline with F-16s constantly in and out, and they don't compare to that experience.

Rhinos (-18Es) as supposedly pretty ****ing loud, too. Never had that experience.
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:31 PM   #57
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Years ago I found myself standing about 100 below an F4 Fantom taking off with full
AB's. It was so loud I thought my heart was being crushed down from the pressure
waves but it was just a duke falling out and down inside my pants.

F4 = definately on the top end of the "loudest planes" scale
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:32 PM   #58
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Rhinos (-18Es) as supposedly pretty ****ing loud, too. Never had that experience.

Yep -- saw/heard some this summer at Cherry Point NAS.

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Old 01-29-2009, 05:42 PM   #59
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Years ago I found myself standing about 100 below an F4 Fantom taking off with full
AB's. It was so loud I thought my heart was being crushed down from the pressure
waves but it was just a duke falling out and down inside my pants.

F4 = definately on the top end of the "loudest planes" scale

[Grandpa Simpson Mode] Hah, I went to Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grade at the west end of Miramar's runway at the tail end of the Vietnam War. I remember they had us write notes to the Navy asking them to be quieter. Navy's response: "No." But we did get a fun field trip and free ice cream out of it.[/GSM]


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r0bman, you need to stop stalking me.

I'm pretty sure you're a bit bitter over the fact that in just a few years, I'm going to be behind the controls of a multi million dollar aircraft - (or "wasting your tax dollars" as you'd probably put it).

And no, we don't learn every single fact about planes/aerodynamics. Hell, you can even major in English here.

Forget the classes, tell us about the prayer meetings!
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:49 PM   #60
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[Grandpa Simpson Mode] Hah, I went to Kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grade at the west end of Miramar's runway at the tail end of the Vietnam War. I remember they had us write notes to the Navy asking them to be quieter. Navy's response: "No." But we did get a fun field trip and free ice cream out of it.[/GSM]
Are you ****ing kidding me? Uh, didn't your teachers realize that the base was there WELL before the school / houses / EVERYTHING?

I could dig through my e-mail and post up a pretty damn great story about some numbnuts Phoenician who wrote into a newspaper complaining about Viper pilots out of Luke AFB "putting on an airshow" and disturbing his day at the mall. The base commander responded and absolutely destroyed the guy.

If anyone wants it, I'll post it up. I'm sure it's on the internet somewhere, as my Dad sent it to me in a chainmail.
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:52 PM   #61
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The French love taking videos of their jets, I must admit it's very good though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATAMJgRhTNc&fmt=18 . The filming was done for what is basically the French Top Gun.

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Nice pic. That's an Alaska ANG F-15C, with an Indian Mirage 2000, not French.

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... with an Indian MIrage 2000, not French.
Dot, not frogleg?
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:57 PM   #63
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Are you ****ing kidding me? Uh, didn't your teachers realize that the base was there WELL before the school / houses / EVERYTHING?

Of course they did. They didn't want the planes to go away (few San Diegans ever did, and this was a pretty conservative school), they wanted them shooshed. Of course, with an F-4, that's like asking it to not fart out a bunch of black smoke.
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They have dual-function "elevons". Some jets (like the Kfir C2 and Rafale) also have canards that help with elevator duty and also help with airflow over the delta.
The main reason they added the canards to the Kfir was to compensate for the lack of maneuverability they got from adding the J-79 engine. The J-79 is a behemoth, and completely alerted the CG envelope of the Mirage 5 they started with. So they had to compensate by re-balancing the jet, which added even more weight. Since they were adding weight anyway, they figured they'd regain some of the lost maneuverability by adding the canards. It helped...a little.

To answer your original question, not having a conventional tail helps with high-mach maneuverability. By not having any other surfaces that might cause buffet, you get a better control response.
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:01 PM   #65
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i believe robman is the secretary for defense OT. the king of ot appointed him. something of that nature anyway.
Since we're self-proclaiming here, I'm the OT Fighter Mafia
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:02 PM   #67
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You know that whole Indian "Dot, not feather" thing? I was trying to make a play on words. Apparently, it sucked

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to tell you. I got to touch a brand spanking "new" F-5N in still-wet Aggressor livery at MCAS Yuma a few weeks ago. It was neat. I've got pictures on my phone... if I think about it when I get home, I'll upload them.

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Old 01-29-2009, 06:06 PM   #68
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OT, do fighter jets have storage compartments on board? If so, what are the stuff you are allowed to bring?
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You know that whole Indian "Dot, not feather" thing? I was trying to make a play on words. Apparently, it sucked

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to tell you. I got to touch a brand spanking "new" F-5N in still-wet Aggressor livery at MCAS Yuma a few weeks ago. It was neat. I've got pictures on my phone... if I think about it when I get home, I'll upload them.
OMG! Dude! those things are the shizznit! I was at Miramar a few months ago when VFC-111, the SUNDOWNERS were there for a visit. I begged and pleaded with the line folk to let me go out there and take pics, but they had no one to escort me that was from VFC-111. Well they don't know me there, so I got a tour of VMFA-101 instead. Got a bunch of pics of Legacy Hornets instead. Yes, VMFA-101, the squadron that lost that bug in the neighborhood. This was before that though.

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Some have 'map cases' that provide some storage space. On ferry flights, they'll sometimes stuff small bags in the far corners of the cockpit tub, mostly by the rudder pedals. But the rest of their stuff goes in the 'travel pods'. Travel pods were originally converted napalm canisters actually. They are now purpose made, but in the same shape. They hang them off a weapons station on the wing, just like any other ordnance.

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barring the aviation footage, sky fighters was sucktacularly bad.
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barring the aviation footage, sky fighters was sucktacularly bad.
so it really was just like a new top gun!
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so it really was just like a new top gun!
I'm telling you...watch the movie with the commentary. Even the old navy cronies admit what is good, what is bad, what is true and what is not. I got a whole new appreciation for it.
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