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Old 02-19-2019, 10:29 AM   #26
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I have the Michelin Pilot AS3, and they handle very well in dry/wet conditions. They are also much quieter that the stock Dunlops. In snow however, they arent really great and struggle to maintain grip. I have had it slip a lot of times this season, without any catastrophic incidents so far thankfully. I am now considering having a dedicated set of winter tires.

If you live in an area where you get a fair amount of snow, I would strongly advise against getting these tires if the goal is to have one set of tires for the whole year.
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Old 03-01-2019, 01:09 PM   #27
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I swapped to AS3+ after an unrepairable nail hole in my OEM dunlops. They grip as well in summer as I dare stress them. My courage runs out well before the grip. Since we have long shoulder seasons, having a dedicated summer is risky for a DD. The AS3+ is a better option for April, May, Sept, Oct around here than dedicated summers.

I run Blizzaks in the winter (Nov thru Mar). The AS3+ is dangerous for winter, but are better for the shoulder season freeze-thaw and occasional light snowfall.
Agreed. Some of us need a winter and a "3 season" tire. I finally have dedicated winters and I'm on my 4th subaru and am still considering AS3+ for the rest of the year. As an UHP all season they out perform other summer tires out there. With the new Pilot Sport 4S you risk the tire getting ruined if not stored properly at certain temperatures (cracking) or having no traction if not swapped out in time for random midwest cold and/or snow. So I'd only feel comfortable running that tire maybe 6 months out of the year where I could run the AS3+ 8 or 9 months of the year and not worry OMG temp is going below 50 or whatever

Plus I drive to trailheads for camping and biking and not sure if I trust summer only tire on the occasional gravel road. Someone tell me I'm wrong and I should just get the 4S
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:08 PM   #28
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Agreed. Some of us need a winter and a "3 season" tire. I finally have dedicated winters and I'm on my 4th subaru and am still considering AS3+ for the rest of the year. As an UHP all season they out perform other summer tires out there. With the new Pilot Sport 4S you risk the tire getting ruined if not stored properly at certain temperatures (cracking) or having no traction if not swapped out in time for random midwest cold and/or snow. So I'd only feel comfortable running that tire maybe 6 months out of the year where I could run the AS3+ 8 or 9 months of the year and not worry OMG temp is going below 50 or whatever

Plus I drive to trailheads for camping and biking and not sure if I trust summer only tire on the occasional gravel road. Someone tell me I'm wrong and I should just get the 4S
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https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Pilot+Sport+4S

"Note: Tires exposed to temperatures of 20 degrees F (-7 degrees C) or lower must be permitted to gradually return to temperatures of at least 40 degrees F (5 degrees C) for at least 24 hours before they are flexed in any manner, such as by adjusting inflation pressures, mounting them on wheels or using them to support, roll or drive a vehicle."

It seems that cold storage is OK but they must be warmed up to 40F before any flexing is suggested.
There were (maybe are) tires that are forbidden to be stored below X temperature.

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Old 03-01-2019, 02:47 PM   #29
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Yes but I also found this: "The Pilot Sport 4S excels in warm dry and wet conditions, so like all Max Performance Summer tires, is not intended to be serviced, stored nor driven in near- and below-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice"

https://www.autopia.org/forums/gener...-freezing.html
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:48 PM   #30
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someone from tirerack told me that in testing, the AS3 scored as well as many "summer only." biggest benefit being non-cracking in cold temps. The AS3 will be the best all-season performer you can buy. If you want an all season that is more geared towards actual snow, id go with the conti's. softer sidewall and better traction on ice. although still not a snow tire.
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Old 03-01-2019, 04:11 PM   #31
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someone from tirerack told me that in testing, the AS3 scored as well as many "summer only." biggest benefit being non-cracking in cold temps. The AS3 will be the best all-season performer you can buy. If you want an all season that is more geared towards actual snow, id go with the conti's. softer sidewall and better traction on ice. although still not a snow tire.
Good to know about the AS3. FWIW I had the DWS06 on my Forester and I had no issues at all in heavy midwest snow. That thing was a tank in the winter!!
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:54 PM   #32
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I just swapped on a set of A/S3+ on my WRX. We don't get a ton of snow in MD but it is consistently cold (40s during the day, below freezing at night) from November through March. I had a few sketchy moments last winter on my summer tires so I wanted something that was capable in freezing temps. I haven't had a chance to really put them through their paces on a curvy road, but with the limited spirited driving I've done so far, they feel pretty solid. Absolutely a tick off of the summer tires in terms of turn-in feel and roll, but not a night-and-day difference. Noticeably quieter and smoother riding than the Dunlops as well.

I think if your car is a DD and you live in the middle latitude of the country where its cold but not super snowy, these or the Conti's are perfect. If you live in the sunbelt or it's not your DD, the summers are probably fine year round. If you live up north, you probably should invest in two sets of tires.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:24 PM   #33
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Turns out my old man put AS3s on his '07 STI, so I will get to see how they drive.
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Old 03-08-2019, 08:45 AM   #34
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I am eyeing the Nokian WR G4 for a soon to arrive STI G4. I had the dunlops on the current wrx and they were not great in the wet.

Have been on Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ and they have been amazing, but on snow they were not as good as I had hoped. Not bad, but not what I had hoped based on all the hype.

So, my real questions are:

1. The Nokians come in 255/35/19 - will that fit the OEM 2019 STI wheels? Fenders? I think they "should"... was hoping for an expert given the ties cost 1100 or so.
2. How are the Nokian WR G4 in the summer/dry... I don't plan to AutoX or do track but I do plan to do drives on nice curvy roads, etc.

Thanks everyone in advance !!!
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:19 PM   #35
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I have DWS06 and they work well in snow even deep snow. Only time they don't is when I am high centered.
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Are you trying to find one tire to do this all?

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