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Old 02-08-2019, 03:22 PM   #1
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On the hunt for a wheel that looks like the rota tarmac 3 but in 5x100, 35 offset, 9.5in wide. I dont think the tarmac3s come in this size. No idea what this style is call either or who they are trying to mimic but i like this multi spoke style.

Any recommendations out there for a durable wheelset similar?

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Old 02-08-2019, 03:32 PM   #2
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Looks like the Tarmac 3 is a copy of a Prodrive GC-010G, which was never offered in 18x9.5 and 5x100.

That multispoke design is fairly popular, however that size and width in 5x100 isn't. I'm fairly certain there were a few reps of the CE28n that came in that size, I believe Rota called them the DTP. There are other CE28 reps out there as well.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:58 PM   #3
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CE28n or rota DTP looks awesome too. Im pretty new to wheels as I never really considered them until now. Looks like people all copy Volk.

maybe i should stay more conservative 48ish offset and 8in tire closer to stock. Have an 2009 outback XT and having a 9.5in tire seems more fun for handling.

Enkei RSM9 could be an option for me too in the 48, 8in, 5x100. Too bad no gunmetal color. But Enkei seems like they make more reliable wheels than Rota.
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:26 PM   #4
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CE28n or rota DTP looks awesome too. Im pretty new to wheels as I never really considered them until now. Looks like people all copy Volk.

maybe i should stay more conservative 48ish offset and 8in tire closer to stock. Have an 2009 outback XT and having a 9.5in tire seems more fun for handling.

Enkei RSM9 could be an option for me too in the 48, 8in, 5x100. Too bad no gunmetal color. But Enkei seems like they make more reliable wheels than Rota.
Volk is definitely one of the more copied brands out there, the TE37 i would argue is probably the most copied wheel ever.

Sticking to stock fitment is a good idea. Putting too much or too wide of a tire can actually hinder performance. You should be able to go up to an 18x8.5 with an offset between 38-48 without too much trouble (rolling fenders, stretching tire, etc.). If you're on stock suspension, definitely try and stay more toward stock size.

Definitely stick to legit brands if you can. I would say an Enkei wheel is overall better than a similarly priced Rota. There are plenty of vendors on here that would be glad to help you find some wheels.

Feel free to shoot me a pm if you have any questions.
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Old 02-08-2019, 04:50 PM   #5
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Check out the Konig Dekagram, fairly similar and 18x9.5 5x100 versions are available

Also SSR GTX01 is somewhat similar
and to a lesser extent the Wedssport TC105n or TC105x
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Old 02-08-2019, 05:03 PM   #6
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Yea im sticking to stock suspension of the outback. Just more convenient to do oil changes since i have to do them so frequently with the turbo.

Planning to stick with a same diameter tire also but just with a 18in rim instead of the stock 17s. Probably want less of a hella flush look but more stock looking even with a wider 8.5 tire. Currently running 225/55 8in tire. A move to a 245/45 8.5in tire seems like what i want. I might be a year or 2 off actually from switching but just doing my research now. Still have some life on my tires.

Konig is another company for sure im looking at.

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Old 02-09-2019, 06:21 PM   #7
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Check out avid1 av27. They are another knockoff but look very similar to the tarmac. 18x9.5 +38 though.
245 might look a little stretched on a 9.5" imo

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Old 02-11-2019, 04:39 PM   #8
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Check out avid1 av27. They are another knockoff but look very similar to the tarmac. 18x9.5 +38 though.
245 might look a little stretched on a 9.5" imo
looks like they have a 8.5 too. wish it was gunmetal though. these AV27s look great too.
https://www.nlmotoring.com/AVID-1-AV...18855c35bk.htm.

35 offset might be hella flush huh?

what determines "stretching" for a tire on a rim? 9.5 tire on a 9.5 rim shouldnt be stretched? Im definitely missing something here as a wheel noob.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:06 PM   #9
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Depending on the tire, the manufacturer will list the approved rim widths. Most 245's I've checked are either 9 or 9.5" max. So since its at the high end of the range its getting close to stretching past the approved range.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:54 AM   #10
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they have a hyper color which is a gunmetal, you can do a 245 on a 9", once you hit the 9.5 i would for sure go 255
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I recommend going with Enkei or Konig instead of the cast knock off brands.

in general ~ flow formed > cast
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:32 PM   #12
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who would have known there was so much to learn about wheels.

i am also leaning towards enkei or konig in general.

What makes a 9.5 wheel reduce performance as nickgray1 mentioned? Im assuming i will gain stability/handling but lose out somewhere? MPG? etc?

might as well max everything out while im at it if it wont rub. But that could be a dumb mindset of mine/
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:27 AM   #13
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who would have known there was so much to learn about wheels.

i am also leaning towards enkei or konig in general.

What makes a 9.5 wheel reduce performance as nickgray1 mentioned? Im assuming i will gain stability/handling but lose out somewhere? MPG? etc?

might as well max everything out while im at it if it wont rub. But that could be a dumb mindset of mine/
If you go from 8.5 to 9.5 you'll lose quite a bit of steering precision and feel but you'll gain sheer grip from the extra surface area of rubber. You'll probably also lose some mpg though it may be negligible. I've driven both and prefer 8.5" width but to each their own. The car was designed with this tire width in mind as well so there's that.
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Also, the wider wheel is likely heavier meaning more unsprung weight.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:51 PM   #15
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thanks for the insights.

when the time comes to buy my rims, ill let the rim availability decide how wide i go.

i suppose losing more steering precision isnt advantageous as the car seems pretty vague already
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Mach V Crucial. 18x9.5" +42. 19.5 pounds.









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thanks dan. flow formed too. not bad.

I think im still leaning towards the indented look of the tarmacs. Not sure how to describe it but the outer part of the spokes go in to meet an inner lip.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:07 PM   #18
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can someone confirm, if i do a 250 tire, the tire width is actually 9.8, not 9.5? 245 is 9.6?

a 255 tire is 10in? that would be too wide.

kinda confusing. first time in all this looking into tires. in the past i just let costco do it.
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So the number 255, 245, 235, 225, etc is the nominal tread width in millimeters, divide by 25.4 for the nominal tread width in inches. Actual section width will usually be wider than the tread width, and will vary by model of tire. Tire Rack publishes actual measurements for every tire that they carry on their website. The second number a percentage that goes into a calculation for sidewall height. A higher number is a taller sidewall. For example a for 225/40 the 40 is 40% of 225 = 90mm which is the sidewall height (distance from the road to the bottom wheel)

I like this website https://www.rimsntires.com/specspro.jsp for comparing different wheels/tires/offsets. I always like to get the actual tire measurements from tirerack to be safe though
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ah yes good explanation. Thats where i was getting tripped up
thanks for that site. looks pretty comprehensive compared to the others i was using.
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a 255 tire is 10in? that would be too wide.
Generally speaking, a 245-width tire is perfect for an 8.5" wide wheel. A 255 fits really well on a 9" wide wheel. A 265 is about perfect for a 9.5" wheel.

You can deviate from those without much of a problem -- you could run a 245 on as wide as a 9.5" wheel, for example -- but the guidelines I mentioned above are the center of what works.

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Old 02-18-2019, 04:07 PM   #22
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Thanks!

Maybe I should stick with 8.5. biggest fear is I'll get 9.5 rims and tires in and find that it rubs when installed
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:32 PM   #23
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i think i will settle on a 245/45 tire and a 8.5in wide rim. Seems like from what i read and whats been suggested here that that would be the bests overall fit. Would be a nice wider upgrade from my stock 225/55 right now at least.

been searching long and hard. seems like still the best wheel with the tarmac 3 look is the avid AV27 mentioned above. Concerned however with reliability being a cast wheel

OZ ALLEGGERITA HLT is another option but that is $$$$, might as well fork out a tad more buy a set of volks if i wanted that.

and after all this searching and looking at cars, i think the low-life may have bitten me. Maybe in the future ill lower given i need to swap my shocks out soon anyways. I assume 245/45/18 on a 8.5 in tire would still give me a good wheel to lower the car on and adjust for a no-rub fit with coilovers.

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